New York will allow non-citizens to vote under controversial law

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For statewide offices I'm sure, but for local offices, may not be defined by state law though generally everybody defaults to that. Interesting question.
The article gave a small snippet of the New York State constitution where every New York citizen over 18 has the right to vote. The question is will that be taken. Will they think that it excludes everyone that is not a citizen or does it only mean that adult citizens cannot lose the right to vote. If it is the latter, then one could conceivably add other people that had the right to vote locally.
 
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Are they citizens? If not then I'm sorry but they should be grateful for either a) the opportunity to work there or b) safety from whatever they fled.
They're in limbo. These are the people who were brought here illegally by their parents or other relatives. Some didn't even find out they were not citizens until they were teenagers. Obama had a program whereby these people who were raised here since they were very young, could become citizens. Trump suspended this program.
 
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The article gave a small snippet of the New York State constitution where every New York citizen over 18 has the right to vote. The question is will that be taken. Will they think that it excludes everyone that is not a citizen or does it only mean that adult citizens cannot lose the right to vote. If it is the latter, then one could conceivably add other people that had the right to vote locally.
Yeah what's in the article seems to be the entirety of the NYS Constitution's discussion of suffrage. It'll be interesting to see what direction the Court of Appeals goes.
 
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Yeah what's in the article seems to be the entirety of the NYS Constitution's discussion of suffrage. It'll be interesting to see what direction the Court of Appeals goes.
Not even the first place to do it. From the Guardian article: More than a dozen communities across the US allow non-citizens to vote in local elections, including 11 towns in Maryland and two in Vermont. Non-citizens cannot vote for president or Congress, or in state elections.
 
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Sure, let's play this game. I am and I have. So? Planning to do anything besides self-righteous indignation about it?

On the topic itself, I'd see this as fine having residents (not citizens) having a say in things on local levels as they pay taxes and such and have an interest in local affairs. State and such are another thing. But something like local sheriff, school and such matters, I don't see an obstacle myself. And if any serious issues arise, just roll things back and it won't be used elsewhere when we can see the results.
Sure, let's play this game. I am and I have. So? Planning to do anything besides self-righteous indignation about it?
I did something about it for 23 years, have you done anything? Regarding the subject of this thread this is just one more attempt by the liberals to move towards getting the vote for all those people they are allowing to cross our border. It is well thought out, planned, and intentional. If you want to have any rights you need to start standing up for them.
 
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The article gave a small snippet of the New York State constitution where every New York citizen over 18 has the right to vote. The question is will that be taken. Will they think that it excludes everyone that is not a citizen or does it only mean that adult citizens cannot lose the right to vote. If it is the latter, then one could conceivably add other people that had the right to vote locally.

Do they mean "citizen of New York," or "citizen of the United States"?
 
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Do they mean "citizen of New York," or "citizen of the United States"?
Citizen means a lot of things, Since NYS cannot define citizen of the US, it obviously means NY only but citizen of the US does not necessarily mean citizen of NY and by the same token unless it is specifically prohibited somewhere, NYC can have citizens with voting rights too.
 
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I did something about it for 23 years, have you done anything? Regarding the subject of this thread this is just one more attempt by the liberals to move towards getting the vote for all those people they are allowing to cross our border. It is well thought out, planned, and intentional. If you want to have any rights you need to start standing up for them.

Since I am effectively blind in one eye, the military wouldn't take me. Does my disability make me less "patriotic" than you?
 
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Are they talking non-citizens who are here legally or are they talking illegals?

The answer to that question is literally spelled out in the OP article.
 
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I did something about it for 23 years, have you done anything? Regarding the subject of this thread this is just one more attempt by the liberals to move towards getting the vote for all those people they are allowing to cross our border. It is well thought out, planned, and intentional. If you want to have any rights you need to start standing up for them.

Care to explain the logic behind the notion that giving voting rights to somebody in one jurisdiction threatens your rights in another jurisdiction?
 
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I did something about it for 23 years, have you done anything?

23 years, and yet NYC still passed the law. Have you done enough?

Regarding the subject of this thread this is just one more attempt by the liberals to move towards getting the vote for all those people they are allowing to cross our border. It is well thought out, planned, and intentional.

The people getting the vote are legal -- you did read the article, right?

If you want to have any rights you need to start standing up for them.

You did more than stand for 23 years, and yet they're still voting.
 
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I look at it this way, when it comes to local elections, why does being a citizen make a difference? Are we worried about loyalty or something? How does that work? I grew up a couple hundred miles away from where I live now. I can easily move to another city, in fact, I AM moving to another city. Yet, I can vote in the city I live in now. Once I finalize my move to the other city, I can immediately start voting there. How is that any different than a non-US citizen? Sure, they can get deported or something... that's about it. But is that really a significant risk compared to any person just deciding to move elsewhere?

I don't understand why people who live and pay taxes somewhere shouldn't get some say in how those taxes are being used regardless of whether or not they are citizens. It's not like local politics are going to have any real influence on international politics.
 
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I don't understand why people who live and pay taxes somewhere shouldn't get some say in how those taxes are being used regardless of whether or not they are citizens. It's not like local politics are going to have any real influence on international politics.

My non-elected dogcatcher says otherwise!!!
 
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They're in limbo. These are the people who were brought here illegally by their parents or other relatives. Some didn't even find out they were not citizens until they were teenagers. Obama had a program whereby these people who were raised here since they were very young, could become citizens. Trump suspended this program.

Not to nit pick, but DACA never included a pathway to citizenship. "Deferred Action" simply meant that as long as they behaved, they wouldn't be deported, but they could never become citizens... their children will be, of course.
 
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Are they talking non-citizens who are here legally or are they talking illegals?

What states allowed illegals to vote before 1996?
Non US citizens who are legally here. The kind with paychecks, checking accounts, houses and taxes they pay.
 
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Non US citizens who are legally here. The kind with paychecks, checking accounts, houses and taxes they pay.

Even for those who've never been "illegal", getting citizenship is a rather slow process.
 
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Non US citizens who are legally here. The kind with paychecks, checking accounts, houses and taxes they pay.

I actually have no problem with states allowing non US citizens who are here LEGALLY, to vote. They are participating in society as a legal citizen. And many of them are in the process of getting citizenship.
 
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