Shadow of the mark

robycop3 said:

Zech didn't say.

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Indeed. Nobody ever said it in the Bible, because its a modern term describing the way of speaking.

myst33 said:

Googling is not a good study, because you can google any results you want.

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Depends on how you word a google search. Just use what I suggested; there's no bias in it.

Secular historians (at least mainstream) do not accept the biblical account of Exodus.

"Mainstream scholarship no longer accepts the biblical Exodus account as history for a number of reasons."
The Exodus - Wikipedia

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Yeah, those who aren't up on the latest, or who are biased against it, or who are anti-Semitic.

Carl Sagan was a great astronomer, but yet he insisted evolution was true because he'd been brought up to believe it, & didn't believe the concrete evidence against it.

Again, you simply depend on your literal interpretation. Its good to realize its just your interpretation and that it does not have to be in such way.

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No valid reason to believe it any other way.

You must prove it must be literal and global, first. Instead of supposing that everybody must accept your view and interpretation.

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That's what SCRIPTURE says, not robycop. I merely repeat its messages, ot the Scriptures themselves.

I am not a Revelation interpreter. Greater names than me failed miserably in that.

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Evidently you must be, as you believe it's all symbolic, & all its events have already occurred.

I personally think that hand represents acts and head represents thinking and the mark of the beast was the deity of Roman Caesars, namely Nero. Just my opinion, its possible it was something else.

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I have plainly & thoroughly shown you that Nero was not the beast. Just because a few deified him doesn't make him the beast. Remember, some deified Herod Agrippa as well.(and likely every Caesar as well.) Now. neither you nor any other preterist can get by the fact that Nero did not meet many of the Scriptural criteria for the beast, while the TRUE beast MUST meet every Scriptural criterion TO THE LETTER.
And without the mark, one won't be able to conduct any business, which includes buying the secessities of life. With all due respect, your guesses don't hold water.

Hammster said:

I think you’ve gotten off track. I’m still asking about how you know that microchips are the Mark of the Beast™.

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I don't know for sure. But if the beast were to come to power tomorrow, they would be. Maybe by the time he comes, tech will have advanced beyond MCs, just as in my childhood it advanced from vacuum tubes to transistors to integrated circuit boards to chips.

But at this time, MCs seem the most-logical.

Hammster said:

Since there is no rapture, the question is moot.

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There WILL be a rapture.

1 Cor. 15: 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Rev. 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

Hammster said:

Should I quote the parallel from Matthew 24?

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The AOD didn't occur then.

And there were 8 months between the sieges of Jerusalem by Vespasian & Titus, giving Christians plenty of time to flee. When the AOD does occur, there'll be almost no time to flee, from a modern mechanized army.

Hammster said:

I think you’ve gotten off track. I’m still asking about how you know that microchips are the Mark of the Beast™.

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And I answered. Neither I, nor anyone else knows for shue what the mark will be. But AT THIS TIME, with the available tech, a MC seems to be the most-logical. (Something else we don't know-when the beast will come to power.)

myst33 said:

Indeed. Nobody ever said it in the Bible, because its a modern term describing the way of speaking.

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Not much of an excuse.

Hammster said:

That’s not describing a rapture.

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Howdya KNOW it isn't? Ever seen a rapture besides a happy moment?

robycop3 said:

Lord, please provide relief from pain for Douggg from his kidney stone, and also please heal him. In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen.

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Much love.

Hammster said:

Since there is no rapture, the question is moot.

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You are staying on the earth?

parousia70 said:

The advent of the first "vaccine" was also a new era of technology at the time, so I'm unclear of your point?



I dunno, perhaps Cancer therapies, ALS, Alzheimers, Birth defects?
The sky is the limit, and I'm eternally grateful that God sees fit to continue to create people with the talent, drive and ingenuity to tackle these things head on.

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It is easy to see the "benefits" of eugenics in humans, that is why the Nazis did it. But it doesn't make it right. Genetic modification of the human genome is a door that should not be opened. Look what happened already when scientists tampered with viruses in the Wuhan lab. Covid was made by genetic engineering. This is what is meant by "gain of function" research. Millions of people died because scientists tinkered with virus DNA. What if they tinker with human DNA?

Hammster said:

Do you make this stuff up as you go? When you read the Matthew and Luke accounts side by side, you can see that the “AoD” is the surrounding of Jerusalem, and that when the believers see this, they should flee.

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Jesus said, "When you see the AOD mentioned by Daniel..."
The one mentioned by daniel was that done by Antiochus Epiphanes in the 160s BC I described earlier. Thus, the one Jesus said to look for will be similar. And we read the beast shall set up a statue of himself in the temple, which the false prophet will supernaturally make speak, and, while in the temple, declare himself to be God.

Hammster said:

Let’s put it this way. If you do want to call it a rapture, it happens at the end of time after Christ’s enemies are all put under His feet, and right before He gives the kingdom to His Father.

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No, it'll be when Jesus calls the souls of the dead saints from paradise & the still living saints to Himself. That event won't be His return, as He will call the saints to Himself, not Him come to them.

myst33 said:

Googling is not a good study, because you can google any results you want.

Secular historians (at least mainstream) do not accept the biblical account of Exodus.

"Mainstream scholarship no longer accepts the biblical Exodus account as history for a number of reasons."
The Exodus - Wikipedia

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Uh-oh. You are using (extremely biased against the Bible) Google instead of Duck-Duck-Go. You are looking for evidence from secular (a.k.a. atheist) historians. And you even quoted from Wikipedia! The free encyclopedia anyone can edit. (As long as "anyone" is pro-atheism).