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Rev. 3:1010 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

This was sent by Jesus, thru John, to the church at Philadelphia, which, BTW, still exists. That Philadelphia is now known as Alasehir, Turkey, & the church is Eastern Orthodox. It's an island of Christianity in a sea of Moslems, but they get along well.
So your premise is that this is all of creation (whole world). How does Jesus tell you to escape this?
 
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Encyclopaedia, Britannica, Collier's Encyclopedia, World Book Encyclopedia, and many internet articles. I've also seen similar over the years in boox & magazine articles whose names & authors I don't remember.
And they all confirm that the Mark is a microchip?
 
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Actually, YOU have a choice:

1.) To keep believing certain events have already occurred when they havent, without one scintilla of **PROOF** that they have.

2.) Accept "soon" means something different to God, to whom a thousand years is as a day, and a day is as a thousand years.
Hi robycop3, I am 73 also.

When Jesus returns, He casts the beast into the lake of fire. Also when Jesus returns, He stands on the Mt of Olives splitting it in half, Zechariah 14. Which anyone can see with their own two eyes has not happened. No history books needed.
 
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So your premise is that this is all of creation (whole world). How does Jesus tell you to escape this?
via the rapture.


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Where does He tell us that (I’m not going to look at a chart)?
This has been discussed at least a million time on this forum.

Luke 21:34-36
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
1 Thessalonians 5:9-11
Matthew 24:32-51
 
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So your premise is that this is all of creation (whole world). How does Jesus tell you to escape this?
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
 
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Actually, YOU have a choice:

1.) To keep believing certain events have already occurred when they havent, without one scintilla of **PROOF** that they have.

2.) Accept "soon" means something different to God, to whom a thousand years is as a day, and a day is as a thousand years.

1) That you do not like the fulfillment is just your personal problem, I found it in Nero, in 70 AD events etc. and I am satisfied with it.

2) The book is not addressed to God, but to people. So the people's time is in play. In such way you can dismiss everything from the Bible saying its different with God.
 
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So, where's your proof? You keep SAYING they happened, but you can't show us one quark of evidence from history that they did.
I am just going with what the book itself says, while you are ignoring it.

It says it must happen soon. No space for your futurism is left there.
 
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I statred first grade in 1972 with a vaccine mandate, and went through all 12 grades with each passing year having the mandate to be up to date on my vaccines. Everybody in every public school in the country was likewise "on board" with such mandates.

The idea and implimentation of "vaccine mandates" is hardly novel or new.

If it's a "shadow" today it's been a "shadow" for 50 years and counting....

Almost 250 years actually... As George Washington was the first president to order a vaccine mandate...

I have received many vaccines also. But this mRNA is a new era of technology. If a vaccine can override your own cells, what's next? Injections or implants that can permanently change your DNA? Just one more step....
 
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This has been discussed at least a million time on this forum.

Luke 21:34-36
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
1 Thessalonians 5:9-11
Matthew 24:32-51
I don’t see anywhere in those references where Jesus tells us how to escape the tribulation. Maybe you can do a little exposition.
 
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"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
And how is that instruction on how to escape the tribulation?
 
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I do not see where Scripture calls earth a planet. Pretty sure people knew about each other across the earth, at least where people were, and no really remote places, in the first century. I think some places on earth are more remote today, than 1991 years ago. Can I prove that? No, and really see no need to.

At the opening of the 6th Seal all the earth is going to come back as one, with no division at all. It will be drastic, and that is why the end was not in the first century, no matter what evidence Preterist historically can prove happened. The Second Coming is future, and all will know exactly when it happens.
Partial Preterism believes that Jesus will return in the future.
 
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Partial Preterism believes that Jesus will return in the future.
I do not see the temple being destroyed as a Preterist view. The temple destroyed was an OT issue. The Second Coming is for the fullness of the Gentiles, not the Law of Moses and the OT temple. Preterist tell today's church, their age ended with a Second Coming in the first century. How many Second Comings are there for the church?

The OT redeemed were resurrected and ascended to Paradise the week of the Cross. The OT age ended, was complete, at the Cross. The Jews of that day, should have immediately torn down the Temple, and embraced the Cross. They did not. They attempted to hold onto the Law, until they rebelled against Roman, and brought the wrath of Rome against them.
 
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Don't look up and then see what happens. I am sure it will all work out for you either way.
So if I understand you correctly, to avoid the tribulation I only need to look up? Is that’s what you mean?
 
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I do not see the temple being destroyed as a Preterist view. The temple destroyed was an OT issue. The Second Coming is for the fullness of the Gentiles, not the Law of Moses and the OT temple. Preterist tell today's church, their age ended with a Second Coming in the first century. How many Second Comings are there for the church?

The OT redeemed were resurrected and ascended to Paradise the week of the Cross. The OT age ended, was complete, at the Cross. The Jews of that day, should have immediately torn down the Temple, and embraced the Cross. They did not. They attempted to hold onto the Law, until they rebelled against Roman, and brought the wrath of Rome against them.
You really don’t know much about preterism.
 
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So if I understand you correctly, to avoid the tribulation I only need to look up? Is that’s what you mean?
You asked what Jesus taught to do to escape. That is what Jesus said to do. Take the Word of Jesus, not mine.

Run around like a chicken with their head chopped off, and kick things, if that works better for you.

Why would I mean for you to do something Jesus did not say?
 
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