What is so difficult about understanding that the King James Bible is a translation, not the source of Scripture? The Bible is based on a collection of very early manuscripts, none of which are the "originals". So, any translation is the best effort by people to convey the ancient writings to their culture and times. That was the purpose of the Authorized version, but guess what... It's not the early 17th Century; it's well into the 21st Century. By this time the KJV should be considered a historical relic.
Incidentally, my favorite old translation is the 1599 Geneva Bible. Not only is the translation interesting but the accompanying "footnotes" give a wonderful view into the theology of that era. King James, or course, had those notes removed so that Christianity should be entirely what he said it was.
John 19:12, "From this point on, Pilate tried to release him. But the Jewish leaders shouted out, “If you release this man, you are no friend of Caesar! Everyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar!”
I would say it could be heresy but does not necessarily reach that level, depending upon how it is formulated. If it is that the KJV is the optimal English translation and the only one that should be read authoritatively, that doesn't seem to cross the threshold to heresy but is instead a matter of personal conviction. If, on the other hand, it is held that salvation apart from the KJV is impossible(or even if we limit this to among the English speaking world) then that to me enters the realm of the heretical.
What is so difficult about understanding that the King James Bible is a translation, not the source of Scripture? The Bible is based on a collection of very early manuscripts, none of which are the "originals". So, any translation is the best effort by people to convey the ancient writings to their culture and times. That was the purpose of the Authorized version, but guess what... It's not the early 17th Century; it's well into the 21st Century. By this time the KJV should be considered a historical relic.
Incidentally, my favorite old translation is the 1599 Geneva Bible. Not only is the translation interesting but the accompanying "footnotes" give a wonderful view into the theology of that era. King James, or course, had those notes removed so that Christianity should be entirely what he said it was.
John 19:12, "From this point on, Pilate tried to release him. But the Jewish leaders shouted out, “If you release this man, you are no friend of Caesar! Everyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar!”
To be a heresy a council of The Church would have to state it. So technically no.
There most certainly is 'loss in translation' but the larger loss is cultural and historic. The largest of the loss is the 'kata-holos', the 'unity of prayer and service'.
The entire historic content is ripped away at the same time we become 'anything' only.
Where were these books written? How were they used? By whom and when? In what order? How was it that these books, out the many thousand submitted, became canon and why? Why are the Psalms included in our Bibles? What are we supposed to do with them? What happened to the 'long canon'? What does calendaring have to do with all this?
These are not insurmountable problems. People just have to want to know.
Hint: We are to prepare our 'spirit' in this life, for the next life by assembling together and emulating the prayers of The Church. These are the training wheels to our personal prayers... and the assembly is only body that can administer the sacraments.
The liturgy of the people cannot be reduced to a book. The book itself cannot perform the liturgy.
No, the Church of England did not remove them; the KJV was not based on the Geneva Bible but the Bishops’ Bible, which lacked the commentary of the Geneva Bible, which by the way was incompatible with the Anglican faith. The Church of Scotland continued to use the Geneva Bible until, ironically, the tyranny of Oliver Cromwell, with the last Church of Scotland parish switching to the KJV in 1873. I say this is ironic because King James never attempted to impose the Authorized Version, as it is actually known, on the Church of Scotland; his son Charles did, along with other aspects of Anglicanism, and this created enmity that facilitated the English Civil War, since King Charles had effectively alienated the Scots who could have come to his defense by attempting to unilaterally impose Anglicanism on all of them.
I would say it could be heresy but does not necessarily reach that level, depending upon how it is formulated. If it is that the KJV is the optimal English translation and the only one that should be read authoritatively, that doesn't seem to cross the threshold to heresy but is instead a matter of personal conviction. If, on the other hand, it is held that salvation apart from the KJV is impossible(or even if we limit this to among the English speaking world) then that to me enters the realm of the heretical.
Not that there's any direct correlation, but I do find it odd that the only person in my entire family who is KJV-Only, who on multiple occasions tells the rest of us that we are led astray and in danger of going down the pathway to hell if we use other biblical texts, is also the only person in the whole family who is extremely emotionally and physically abusive (he has physically and sexually assaulted all of his children and damaged pretty much every animal that's come to his house). He is really the only one in my family who I think may actually end up in the place he's telling all of us that we're headed to.
So why do I bring this up? Well, I think KJV-Onlyism appeals to people who think that they are right and everyone else is wrong. And I think it appeals to people who like to have power over others. The problem, of course, is that it doesn't really give you power over others, so KJV-Onlyists have to fall back on their assertion of their own rightness. Or, at least, that's how it is with my family member. The issue that prevents him from giving up KJV-Onlyism is not what is or is not true--it is really about him admitting he could be wrong. And he's not going to do that. Thus, he will go to his grave tell us we are wrong and that the KJV is the only real bible...all the while living his life of sin and self-service.
I think God can reveal correct doctrine to even men who do sinful things. King David after all committed adultery and murder. But he was also said to be a man after God’s own heart. Granted, I am not trying to justify your family member’s actions by any means. What this family member is doing is wrong, and even if he or she is correct in their belief that the King James Bible is the pure Word of God, they are definitely taking the wrong approach in sharing their belief that is supposed to honor God’s Word. For Catholics believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, yet we know of the sex scandals that go on within the Catholic church despite them believing in the Trinity. So we cannot say it is the belief alone that is making them to behave in that way. I believe there are loving people who are KJB Only. I have met Anti-KJB Onlyists who are extremely hateful and insulting. Some have even laughed at me for my belief in the King James Bible as the pure Word of God. Some are extremely vicious in their attacks against what I believe. So I don’t think we can honestly make a judgment against the KJB Only position based on how KJB Only people behave. Now, if all KJB people acted extremely unloving and did extremely bad things to others, then you might be on to something, but I don’t get that impression.
I think God can reveal correct doctrine to even men who do sinful things. King David after all committed adultery and murder. But he was also said to be a man after God’s own heart. Granted, I am not trying to justify your family member’s actions by any means. What this family member is doing is wrong, and even if he or she is correct in their belief that the King James Bible is the pure Word of God, they are definitely taking the wrong approach in sharing their belief that is supposed to honor God’s Word. For Catholics believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, yet we know of the sex scandals that go on within the Catholic church despite them believing in the Trinity. So we cannot say it is the belief alone that is making them to behave in that way. I believe there are loving people who are KJB Only. I have met Anti-KJB Onlyists who are extremely hateful and insulting. Some have even laughed at me for my belief in the King James Bible as the pure Word of God. Some are extremely vicious in their attacks against what I believe. So I don’t think we can honestly make a judgment against the KJB Only position based on how KJB Only people behave. Now, if all KJB people acted extremely unloving and did extremely bad things to others, then you might be on to something, but I don’t get that impression.
It seems to me that something like KJB as the word of God is a matter of faith similar to those who believe in apostolic succession of the bishop of Rome, or the closed sacramentalism of the EO. It's something additional to belief in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ which means there is often division across the lines. Ultimately, regardless of where our faith lies with how God transmitted His message faithfully the important thing is to be able to engage lovingly even with those we are vehemently opposed.
It seems to me that something like KJB as the word of God is a matter of faith similar to those who believe in apostolic succession of the bishop of Rome, or the closed sacramentalism of the EO. It's something additional to belief in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ which means there is often division across the lines. Ultimately, regardless of where our faith lies with how God transmitted His message faithfully the important thing is to be able to engage lovingly even with those we are vehemently opposed.
I think God can reveal correct doctrine to even men who do sinful things. King David after all committed adultery and murder. But he was also said to be a man after God’s own heart. Granted, I am not trying to justify your family member’s actions by any means. What this family member is doing is wrong, and even if he or she is correct in their belief that the King James Bible is the pure Word of God, they are definitely taking the wrong approach in sharing their belief that is supposed to honor God’s Word. For Catholics believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, yet we know of the sex scandals that go on within the Catholic church despite them believing in the Trinity. So we cannot say it is the belief alone that is making them to behave in that way. I believe there are loving people who are KJB Only. I have met Anti-KJB Onlyists who are extremely hateful and insulting. Some have even laughed at me for my belief in the King James Bible as the pure Word of God. Some are extremely vicious in their attacks against what I believe. So I don’t think we can honestly make a judgment against the KJB Only position based on how KJB Only people behave. Now, if all KJB people acted extremely unloving and did extremely bad things to others, then you might be on to something, but I don’t get that impression.
The thing is verse 15 reads different from 2 Tim 3:16. The Church lives by faith. That is what we are commanded. Gideon went with 300 against an army of 150 000. Maybe stories like that is why Textual Critics hate the KJV. And clearly the Holy Scriptures can only be written by people that have faith, so that God's breathed words can flow. Those are inspired. Comparing texts and playing tweedly-dum is not what changes the world. I'm not saying that Jame's Committee didn't compare texts, I'm just saying that the Spirit of God was there. What does Revelations say about the weeds and the tares? There are good manuscripts and bad ones, and some are good and bad, and then some are just plain... good... that'd be the KJV.
And many people in the Church agree that we are in the last days. English is the seventh and final language (Psalms 12 read and understand if you can). And the Gospel has spread all throughout the world (Revelations).
It's too late for the disciples of Wescott and Hort and the New Age to cry wolf. The KJV has made it's foot print. And it's a big one.
Some of which are frauds, just like Charles Darwin.
Hey, while we at it, let's just throw all the English dictionaries out the window and just use IM and text-talk... and maybe one day we can talk in zero's and one's and terraform with robots and have brain chips... or maybe we should just make caveman noises arggg graaawrrr... or beep beep burp burp like a computer... and when we write math maybe we should just write random incoherent squigglies on paper.. two plus two is five, because it's politically incorrect and racist to use roman numerals... maybe we should publish a real artsy bible with paint splashes all over and blank pages then we'll be real trendy and men can wear pink and tight clothing and women will wear pants, shave their heads and run around with samurai sword... and then we won't have to flunk English, because everyone is correct. Maybe we should just put all our old folk in old age homes, who cares about history right? ... Don't put your old folk in homes, don't throw the KJV out of the window because the English is historical and doesn't read like... "Hey bro, what's up dude? R u goin 2 d bar B Q 2nyt"?
Greetings to you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
May all God’s grace, love, peace, and good ways be upon you in Jesus name this day today and forever.
I want you to know that it warms my heart to find a passionate outspoken Christian defender of the King James Bible as the pure Word of God. I also rejoice in the truth in trusting that the words of the Lord are pure words and that they are preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7) (Matthew 24:35). I also rejoice in the truth of the glorious Trinity as taught in 1 John 5:7 that is removed in Modern Bibles. The Christian who looks to Modern Scholarship by faith (and not by irrefutable evidence) falsely believes 1 John 5:7 is a fraud. However, ironically, they believe in the Trinity even when they have no clear cut verse in the Bible that says it like 1 John 5:7. We build our faith according to the Bible and not Modern Scholarship. We stand upon the Word of God with authority and power. Unfortunately, they just do not seem to grasp or understand that fully. While I love my fellow brethren who fall for the illogical stand on Modern Scholarship, I do not love their illogical belief in Modern Scholarship and their Anti-KJB Only stance. I believe it is not a coincidence that the stories we hear about for those particular Christians who go to Bible college and fall away from the faith do so because they began to learn of the priestly craft of Modern Scholarship (Which makes a person doubt God’s words).
There is an attack against the Word of God. It was that way from the very beginning in the Garden of Eden with Eve and the serpent. Modern Scholarship or Proponents of Modern Scholarship fail to fully grasp just how deep Satan intends to corrupt God’s words. When you show them the changes between the KJB vs. Modern Bibles in how these changes are for the worse and not for the better, it is like a veil has been pulled over their eyes and they cannot see it. I believe this is the case because they have been hoodwinked or sold on the religion of Modern Scholarship that is by faith and not Observable Science (evidence) (Note: See this Christian YouTube video here to learn about Historical Science vs. Observable Science if you have not seen it already). The faith of Modern Scholarship goes like this:
#1. The old is better (i.e. the older manuscripts are better which the KJB translators did not have).
#2. More is better (i.e. we have more manuscripts available than the KJB translators).
#3. Better quality manuscripts (i.e. we have more accurate manuscripts than the KJB translators).
#4. God’s Word is not perfectly preserved in any Modern language today in any one translation or book.
All of these four things put forth by Modern Scholarship or Christians who have bought into the Modern Scholarship Approach to God’s Word believe these four things above by faith based upon what the Scholar (or Modern day scribe) has told them. But Jesus said beware of the scribes (Luke 20:46). The scribes are those who tran-scribe the Scriptures. So they are violating Jesus’ command for one, and they are blindly believing the scribe or scholar by faith. They did not take a step back and examine whether these four points that are the tenets of their FAITH in Modern Scholarship is true or not.
The first one (“the old is better”) can easily be disproven in the fact that we know that if a pagan religious document existed before Christ, it does not mean it is better or more truthful just because it is an older document. Also, Paul says in 2 Corinthians 2:17, “we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God”, meaning, there were those who were corrupting God’s words even in Paul’s day. So this could mean that people could have been making copies of NT Scripture with corruptions in it during his time. So the “older is better” claim is not a valid thing to have faith in (Especially when Jesus did not seem to think the old is better in Luke 5:39. Note: Granted, I am aware of the primary meaning of Luke 5:39 is in reference to the New Covenant vs. Old Covenant teachings, but I believe Scripture sometimes has general truths that can be applied in other areas, too).
In addition, the idea that “more is better” is also a flawed idea, as well. Again, what if all the corrupted manuscripts are copied more often then the true ones? So this again is not a valid argument for a person to have faith in.
So what about “better quality manuscripts”? Well, both the KJB Only believer and the Modern Scholar Proponent believe in this tenet, but they each have different reasons to support this belief. With the Modern Scholar Proponent: They appear to just have a blind trust in the scholar’s belief that they have found better manuscripts and they provide weak examples of pointing to problems in the KJB like: grammar usage in the original languages (that the scholar and they really do not know because in most cases, they don’t speak, write, or read these original languages fluently). They will also sometimes attempt to provide rare examples like the differences between the quoting of prophecies in the KJB vs. the LXX, or rare minor supposed errors (like the word Easter) in the King James Bible although KJB advocates have refuted them many times over (See this CF thread here; Also, check out Will Kinney’s website. He has a ton of great articles in defending the KJB as the pure Word of God although I disagree with his belief on Calvinism. Will Kinney has some really informative answers in defense of the King James Bible that others do not provide. To learn how to search his website (or any website), click on the following spoiler button below).
How to search Will Kinney’s website:
Here is an example if I wanted to search out 1 John 5:7 at his website.
Note: You can do this kind of search with other websites by just changing the website name.
Anyways, getting back on topic, I believe the KJB Only Christian has superior reasons in that we have better quality manuscripts (Which would be the very pages of the KJB itself and the Textus Receptus line of manuscripts) because we can compare the KJB vs. Modern Bibles and see how Modern Bibles attack the Trinity, water down the deity of Christ, water down the blood atonement, eliminate the command in 2 Timothy 2:15 that says we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God, and it eliminates the doctrine on fasting to cast out persistent demons in Matthew 17:21. Modern Bibles also appear to make Jesus sin. The list of problems goes on and on, etcetera. But the Modern Scholar Proponent does not have strong points like these. The supposed errors they point out in the KJB are not Earth shattering as compared to the ones found in Modern Bibles.
As for the fourth point: The Modern Scholar Proponent will say, “God’s Word is not perfectly preserved in any Modern language today in any one translation or book.” They say this like it is fact and yet they learned this from the Modern Scholar by faith in their words. Sure, they may see many Modern Bibles have errors in them and conclude that. But they have not done an unbiased study of comparing the KJB vs. Modern Bibles and be truly open to the KJB Only position as if it may be true. But I believe many do not like the idea of being under a perfect Word of God. For the idea of changing God’s Word is appealing to some and or the idea of trusting in a shapeshifter Bible that shape shifts every few years to be even better Bible is appealing to others. They want new, new, new. But they have get back to the old paths of righteousness and not the liberal ways found in Modern Scholarship. For Jeremiah 6 says: “Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16). People think that the 1600’s English is archaic. But God’s Word is saying, “…ask for the old paths, where is the good way.” Unfortunately, others are just simply lazy and they don’t want to look up the archaic words using older dictionaries or Bible dictionaries or even use a Defined King James Bible. They want to be spoon fed by a Modern Bible, and they don’t want to study to show themselves approved unto God according to 2 Timothy 2:15. Some just cannot believe that God would preserve His words in 1600’s English. The idea to them is ridiculous. But we believe in the ridiculous (or should say the miraculous). We believe that a man rose from the dead three days later. We believe that we will fly through the air to meet the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds. All these things sound ridiculous to the average unbeliever of this world. But with God, nothing is impossible.
So in conclusion:
The Modern Scholar Proponent’s faith is in the wrong place. It’s in the scholar and not the Word of God when it comes to this topic or issue.
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 2:5).
God’s words is one power by God.
For it is written:
Jeremiah 23:29 “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?”
KJV Onlyism is the consuming conviction that the most popular edition of the King James Version of the Bible is superior to all other translations, despite strong evidence to the contrary.
KJV Onlyism is the consuming conviction that the most popular edition of the King James Version of the Bible is superior to all other translations, despite strong evidence to the contrary.
FAR more than that, as that would be more KJP, as those holding to KJVO see it alone as a valid translation, and in extreme views, only version that one can get saved by!
Greetings to you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
May all God’s grace, love, peace, and good ways be upon you in Jesus name this day today and forever.
I want you to know that it warms my heart to find a passionate outspoken Christian defender of the King James Bible as the pure Word of God. I also rejoice in the truth in trusting that the words of the Lord are pure words and that they are preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7) (Matthew 24:35). I also rejoice in the truth of the glorious Trinity as taught in 1 John 5:7 that is removed in Modern Bibles. The Christian who looks to Modern Scholarship by faith (and not by irrefutable evidence) falsely believes 1 John 5:7 is a fraud. However, ironically, they believe in the Trinity even when they have no clear cut verse in the Bible that says it like 1 John 5:7. We build our faith according to the Bible and not Modern Scholarship. We stand upon the Word of God with authority and power. Unfortunately, they just do not seem to grasp or understand that fully. While I love my fellow brethren who fall for the illogical stand on Modern Scholarship, I do not love their illogical belief in Modern Scholarship and their Anti-KJB Only stance. I believe it is not a coincidence that the stories we hear about involving those particular Christians who go to Bible college and fall away from the faith do so because they began to learn of the priestly craft of Modern Scholarship (Which makes a person doubt God’s words).
There is an attack against the Word of God. It was that way from the very beginning in the Garden of Eden with Eve and the serpent. Modern Scholarship or Proponents of Modern Scholarship fail to fully grasp just how deep Satan intends to corrupt God’s words. When you show them the changes between the KJB vs. Modern Bibles in how these changes are for the worse and not for the better, it is like a veil has been pulled over their eyes and they cannot see it. I believe this is the case because they have been hoodwinked or sold on the religion of Modern Scholarship that is by faith and not Observable Science (evidence) (Note: See this Christian YouTube video here to learn about Historical Science vs. Observable Science if you have not seen it already). The faith of Modern Scholarship goes like this:
#1. The old is better (i.e. the older manuscripts are better which the KJB translators did not have).
#2. More is better (i.e. we have more manuscripts available than the KJB translators).
#3. Better quality manuscripts (i.e. we have more accurate manuscripts than the KJB translators).
#4. God’s Word is not perfectly preserved in any Modern language today in any one translation or book.
All of these four things put forth by Modern Scholarship or Christians who have bought into the Modern Scholarship Approach to God’s Word believe these four things above by faith based upon what the Scholar (or Modern day scribe) has told them. But Jesus said beware of the scribes (Luke 20:46). The scribes are those who tran-scribe the Scriptures. So they are violating Jesus’ command for one, and they are blindly believing the scribe or scholar by faith. They did not take a step back and examine whether these four points that are the tenets of their FAITH in Modern Scholarship is true or not.
The first one (“the old is better”) can easily be disproven in the fact that we know that if a pagan religious document existed before Christ, it does not mean it is better or more truthful just because it is an older document. Also, Paul says in 2 Corinthians 2:17, “we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God”, meaning, there were those who were corrupting God’s words even in Paul’s day. So this could mean that people could have been making copies of NT Scripture with corruptions in it during his time. So the “older is better” claim is not a valid thing to have faith in (Especially when Jesus did not seem to think the old is better in Luke 5:39. Note: Granted, I am aware of the primary meaning is in reference to the New Covenant vs. Old Covenant teachings, but I believe Scripture sometimes has general truths that can be applied in other areas, too).
Also, the idea that “more is better” is also a flawed idea, as well. Again, what if all the corrupted manuscripts are copied more often then the true ones? So this again is not a valid argument for a person to have faith in.
So what about “better quality manuscripts”? Well, both the KJB Only believer and the Modern Scholar Proponent believe in this tenet, but they each have different reasons to support this belief. With the Modern Scholar Proponent: They appear to just have a blind trust in the scholar’s belief that they have found better manuscripts and they provide weak examples of pointing to things like grammar usage in the original languages (that the scholar and they really do not know). They will also sometimes attempt to provide rare examples like the differences between the quoting of prophecies in the KJB vs. the LXX, or rare minor supposed errors (like the word Easter) in the KJB or TR (Textus Receptus) although KJB advocates have refuted them many times over (See this CF thread here; Also, check out Will Kinney’s website. He has a ton of great articles in defending the KJB as the pure Word of God although I disagree with his belief on Calvinism. Will Kinney has some really informative answers in defense of the King James Bible that others do not provide. To learn how to search his website (or any website), click on the following spoiler button below).
How to search Will Kinney’s website:
Here is an example if I wanted to search out 1 John 5:7 at his website.
Note: You can do this kind of search with other websites by just changing the website name.
Anyways, getting back on topic, I believe the KJB Only Christian has superior reasons in that we have better quality manuscripts (Which would be the very pages of the KJB itself and the Textus Receptus line of manuscripts) because we can compare the KJB vs. Modern Bibles and see how Modern Bibles attack the Trinity, water down the deity of Christ, water down the blood atonement, eliminate the command in 2 Timothy 2:15 that says we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God, and it eliminates the doctrine on fasting to cast out persistent demons in Matthew 17:21. Modern Bibles also appear to make Jesus sin. The list of problems goes on and on, and on, and on. But the Modern Scholar Proponent does not have strong points like these. The supposed errors they point in the KJB are not Earth shattering as compared to the ones found in Modern Bibles.
As for the fourth point: The Modern Scholar Proponent will say, “God’s Word is not perfectly preserved in any Modern language today in any one translation or book.” They say this like it is fact and yet they learned this from the Modern Scholar by faith in their words. Sure, they may see many Modern Bibles have errors in them and conclude that. But they have not done an unbiased study of comparing the KJB vs. Modern Bibles and be truly open to the KJB Only position as if it may be true. But I believe many do not like the idea of being under a perfect Word of God. For the idea of changing God’s Word is appealing to some and or the idea of trusting in a shapeshifter Bible that shape shifts every few years to be even better Bible is appealing to others. They want new, new, new. But they have get back to the old paths of righteousness and not the liberal ways found in Modern Scholarship. For Jeremiah 6 says: “Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16). People think that the 1600’s English is archaic. But God’s Word is saying, “…ask for the old paths, where is the good way.” Unfortunately, others are just simply lazy and they don’t want to look up the archaic words using older dictionaries or Bible dictionaries or even use a Defined King James Bible. They want to be spoon fed by a Modern Bible, and they don’t want to study to show themselves approved unto God according to 2 Timothy 2:15. Some just cannot believe that God would preserve His words in 1600’s English. The idea to them is ridiculous. But we believe in the ridiculous (or should say the miraculous). We believe that a man rose from the dead three days later. We believe that we will fly through the air to meet the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds. All these things sound ridiculous to the average unbeliever of this world. But with God, nothing is impossible.
So in conclusion:
The Modern Scholar Proponent’s faith is in the wrong place. It’s in the scholar and not the Word of God when it comes to this topic or issue.
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 2:5).
God’s words is one power by God.
For it is written:
Jeremiah 23:29 “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?”
FAR more than that, as that would be more KJP, as those holding to KJVO see it alone as a valid translation, and in extreme views, only version that one can get saved by!
I prefer the term “Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It” versus the term “Sola Scriptura.” But the point here is that the Bible is my final Word of authority and I am not looking for any additional words from God besides the Bible. However, I doubt the writers of NT Scripture were thinking they were Sola Scriptura (or Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It) because at the time in early history, they received both the written Word, and the audible words of God (while the NT Scripture was still being formed).
I created this graphic to help show you what I am talking about.
In other words, my point I am trying to make is that if the early apostles who wrote NT Scripture had no idea of the future teaching of Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It (Because there was no full and complete Bible then) then we cannot say that the KJB translators would have known about the later revelation by God’s people involving His Word (or God’s Word that they were translating).
1 column (green) added up together in a straight line down = 16.
One column (red) added up together in a straight line down = 11.
This is a total of 16:11 or 1611.
The year 1611 (Which is a major change in human history) with the bringing in of the King James Bible.
Luke 4:4 says,
"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
Matthew 4:4 says,
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
Deuteronomy 8:3 says,
"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."
Now, if this was the only occurrence of amazing things like this in the King James Bible, I would maybe be skeptical. But there are tons more of things like this which could potentially lead a person to rock back and forth silently in a corner somewhere in the awe of God’s Word.
Biblical Numerics Confirms the King James Bible:
Bible Numbers that glorify God and His Word. (Note: This is not like traditional Numerology where a person guides their life by numbers. These are also not equidistant letter sequences or numbers that attempt to get one to have a special dream, or to divine the future in some way; Striving to foretell the future is forbidden in the Bible). Numbers are something that we deal with in our everyday life and all things glorify God. So obviously the numbers in God's Word would naturally glorify Him in some way. Check out this video on Numbers & the Greek New Testament.
Sevens in the Bible - Chuck Missler:
Also, here is a video series by Mike Hoggard that talks about the number 7 in the King James.
King James Code - Number 7 - Mike Hoggard (Part 1):
King James Code - Number 7 - Mike Hoggard (Part 2):
Now, I do not agree with Chuck's view on Salvation. I also do not like watching Mike's regular sermon videos because they can get a little far out there. But, while I may not agree with Mike and Chuck on everything they teach in the Bible nor on the way they teach the Bible in every instance, their teaching on Biblical numerics are amazing; I have found that they have made some startling discoveries. Discoveries that do not appear in the modern translations but only in the original languages (Chuck) and only in the King James (Mike). Don't believe me? Just watch the videos for yourself.
A Note on Biblical Numerics:
Again, some confuse this with numerology (Which is false). Numerology is about living your life under the guidance by numbers (Which is wrong). I believe biblical numerics helps us primarily to see that God's Word is divine in origin. In this case, it helps to prove the KJB is God's Word. While the following CF thread link on the number 46 in the Bible is not exactly a defense for the KJB in every instance the number 46 appears, but the number does appear more in the KJB thereby showing the validity of the King James Bible being superior over the Modern Translations. For certain instances the number 46 appears only shows up in the King James tying in with the meaning behind the number.
I prefer the term “Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It” versus the term “Sola Scriptura.” But the point here is that the Bible is my final Word of authority and I am not looking for any additional words from God besides the Bible. However, I doubt the writers of NT Scripture were thinking they were Sola Scriptura (or Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It) because at the time in early history, they received both the written Word, and the audible words of God (while the NT Scripture was still being formed).
I created this graphic to help show you what I am talking about.
In other words, my point I am trying to make is that if the early apostles who wrote NT Scripture had no idea of the future teaching of Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It (Because there was no full and complete Bible then) then we cannot say that the KJB translators would have known about the later revelation by God’s people involving His Word (or God’s Word that they were translating).
1 column (green) added up together in a straight line down = 16.
One column (red) added up together in a straight line down = 11.
This is a total of 16:11 or 1611.
The year 1611 (Which is a major change in human history) with the bringing in of the King James Bible.
Luke 4:4 says,
"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."
Matthew 4:4 says,
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
Deuteronomy 8:3 says,
"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."
Now, if this was the only occurrence of amazing things like this in the King James Bible, I would maybe be skeptical. But there are tons more of things like this which could potentially lead a person to rock back and forth silently in a corner somewhere in the awe of God’s Word.
Biblical Numerics Confirms the King James Bible:
Bible Numbers that glorify God and His Word. (Note: This is not like traditional Numerology where a person guides their life by numbers. These are also not equidistant letter sequences or numbers that attempt to get one to have a special dream, or to divine the future in some way; Striving to foretell the future is forbidden in the Bible). Numbers are something that we deal with in our everyday life and all things glorify God. So obviously the numbers in God's Word would naturally glorify Him in some way. Check out this video on Numbers & the Greek New Testament.
Sevens in the Bible - Chuck Missler:
Also, here is a video series by Mike Hoggard that talks about the number 7 in the King James.
King James Code - Number 7 - Mike Hoggard (Part 1):
King James Code - Number 7 - Mike Hoggard (Part 2):
Now, I do not agree with Chuck's view on Salvation. I also do not like watching Mike's regular sermon videos because they can get a little far out there. But, while I may not agree with Mike and Chuck on everything they teach in the Bible nor on the way they teach the Bible in every instance, their teaching on Biblical numerics are amazing; I have found that they have made some startling discoveries. Discoveries that do not appear in the modern translations but only in the original languages (Chuck) and only in the King James (Mike). Don't believe me? Just watch the videos for yourself.
A Note on Biblical Numerics:
Again, some confuse this with numerology (Which is false). Numerology is about living your life under the guidance by numbers (Which is wrong). I believe biblical numerics helps us primarily to see that God's Word is divine in origin. In this case, it helps to prove the KJB is God's Word. While the following CF thread link on the number 46 in the Bible is not exactly a defense for the KJB in every instance the number 46 appears, but the number does appear more in the KJB thereby showing the validity of the King James Bible being superior over the Modern Translations. For certain instances the number 46 appears only shows up in the King James tying in with the meaning behind the number.
I have come up with 47 reasons for the King James Bible but I am hoping to increase this number to 67 or 77 with the help of God and include it in a future blogger article (of which I hope to share here at CF).
I did provide reason 31 already in another KJB thread. But I will repost that point here:
Reason #31 for the King James Bible:
In a sad chapter of the Catholic Church: Unfortunately it appears that they burned anyone for owning the Scriptures (Note: This is not to say that all Catholics agreed with such a thing at the time). But why bring this up? Well, later in history we learn that the translation of the KJB began in 1604. However, one year later in 1605, we know that the Catholics tried to kill King James and stop the translation of the King James Bible with a super bomb. Check out the documentary called, The KJB: The Book that Changed the World starring “John Rhys-Davies.”
Also, the ties to the Vatican involving Modern Bibles is like crazy extensive. It’s not just like one or two things. It’s a lot. It’s too much to ignore. Westcott and Hort started the Modern Translation movement we now have (that was a great departure from the trusted KJB). Westcott and Hort used two manuscripts for their Greek NT translation called the Critical Text. Manuscript #1 came from a Catholic vault (Codex Vaticanus) (Note: The word “Vatican” is very similar to the word “Vaticanus”). Manuscript #2 is called the Codex Sinaiticus (which was found in a waste basket to be burned in an Orthodox monastery). In fact, Westcott and Hort were into Catholicism, as well. Now, if anyone here is Catholic, and or they agree with the practices of Catholicism (then simply ignore my points here). But if not, please keep reading. For many years later after Westcott and Hort, Nestle came along, and then years later Aland came along (With both of them updating the Critical Text). Aland met the pope. There are pictures of this.
Unlike the KJB, most of all your Modern Bibles comes from the Nestle and Aland’s Critical Text.
This constantly changing Critical Greek Text is under the direct supervision of the Vatican. They come right out and tell you this. They aren't even trying to hide it. Here is a photo of page 45 from right out of the Nestle-Aland 27th edition.
Note: I am aware this forbidden book of the Catholic church is an older version, and they have updated it. But the point here is that at one time, they considered the KJB to be a forbidden book.
Very interesting.
Side Note:
Oh, and yes, I know about Erasmus, but he was not exactly in agreement with many Catholic doctrines, and he was later rejected by the Catholic church and he died among his Protestant friends.
To learn more about Erasmus, check out this article here.
To learn more about the Critical Text, check out this video here:
Again, I want to repeat this point: It’s common knowledge among Modern scholars that the Nestle and Aland Critical Text (the original language Critical text) is the basis for most of all your Modern English Bibles today (Unlike the KJB which is based on the Textus Receptus manuscripts).
In fact, check out the Nestle and Aland Critical Text page at Wikipedia called:
“Novum Testamentum Graece”
You can click on his name in the same article for the Nestle and Aland Greek text.
If anyone here agrees with Catholicism, then there is no reason to be concerned, but if one does not agree with Catholic practices, I believe this should concern a person. For I do not agree with Catholic practices, and this is one of many reasons why I choose the King James Bible. It is free from Catholic influence.
