New Interpretation of the bible

messianist said:

As I said it’s one of his attributes

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You do not understand the revelation of the Christ. Of that I can be certain.

BeingThere said:

And, when the church outlined the trinity doctrine, God's "sacred breath" was given an identity, a high-sounding name, which to me makes its presence more distant and less immediate.

Sin, or "missing the mark," sounds evil and reprehensible due to ascribing culturally upon the noun, "sin." Missing the mark is more understandable, relatable and less distant; not an entity which we must run away from, but a habit we must observe, as natural and within our moral purview.

Not to cast doubt upon any translation of a holy work, but the Greek is apparently much more conversational and relatable (say some translators; I do not read Greek yet).

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klutedavid said:

You do not understand the revelation of the Christ. Of that I can be certain.

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You don’t understand what attributes mean

messianist said:

You don’t understand what attributes mean

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You don't understand agape love.

klutedavid said:

You don't understand agape love.

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Pot kettle black

messianist said:

Pot kettle black

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John 13:35
By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one another.

Logically, if you do not love the brethren, then obviously, you probably not a Christian.

Jesus was love and everything He ever did was because He loved us. If we walk as Jesus walked, then we must love the brethren with a fervent love.

Without love you amount to nothing, you have lived your life in vain.

klutedavid said:

John 13:35
By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one another.

Logically, if you do not love the brethren, then obviously, you probably not a Christian.

Jesus was love and everything He ever did was because He loved us. If we walk as Jesus walked, then we must love the brethren with a fervent love.

Without love you amount to nothing, you have lived your life in vain.

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I wouldn’t call you a brethren.

I love my enemies tho so your ok

messianist said:

No information whatsoever

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I find scripture to be useful for teaching.

SkyWriting said:

I find scripture to be useful for teaching.

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No good when you don’t understand it blind guid.

BeingThere said:

While your concern makes logical sense, on principal I am more open to reading these translations to supplement others; this is primarily because no major translation from a body of dozens if not hundreds of established authorities will veer much from established translations and "Christian" standards--this is because of institutionalized religious culture, which brings me to clarify the main point:

The official church, then known as the Catholic Church, through various councils, developed a somewhat idiosyncratic ecclesiastical vocabulary over centuries. The English translations we have today are influenced by this, and by the King James translational approach, as well. This new translation tries to return to the original Greek in fluid American English (obviously this would take a paraphrase approach to translation). This is the introduction, which explains its goal, followed by an extract from Luke 12:

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Thank you for the posts and I really like the idea Gaus is going for. The one thing that caught my attention was his comment on the Holy Breath vs. Holy Spirit. As a chanter, I'm intimate with our service materials and I will say that where possible, I like to leave the Greek word in a particular song. So, one of the resurrectional apolytikia hymns starts

Τὸν συνάναρχον Λόγον Πατρὶ καὶ Πνεύματι,
Ton synanarchon Logon Patri kai Pneumati

The translation we use is
Let us worship the Word, Father and Spirit

I prefer to leave it as
Let is worship the Logos, Father and Spirit (even though the musical meter doesnt technically work)

I might have to invest in Gaus's book

jamiec said:

Barrett's book counts the Catholic Church in each jurisdiction (my word) as a separate Church - so he counts 242 Catholic Churches worldwide. Even though all these 200+ are in full communion with one another, & with the Papacy, forming a single, worldwide, communion of many parts.

Therefore, ISTM that the real number of separate Christian communions will at least be far lower than 46,000, or even than 33,000. I think these stats badly need revision. The count in the book, nation by nation, includes quasi-Christian bodies, sects & cults, which further swells the numbers.

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I'm with you on that. There are 17 canonically Orthodox churches (Greek, Russian, Bulgarian etc), but we are in union on doctrine. Even within the non-canonical groups can be lumped into 2-3 categories rather than 10.

I also wonder how they count a church like "The Orthodox Presbyterian Church", the largest of the conservative Prebysterian churches. Orthodox? Presbyterian? Both?

SkyWriting said:

You don't need to read Greek to read Greek. Just use an interlinear reference.

The Interlinear Bible is keyed to the Greek and Hebrew text using Strong's Concordance. Read the original and literal Greek or Hebrew text with Strong's ...

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Interlinears are fantastic resources and I have one myself but its not the same as reading the Greek. You simply don't get the nuances that exist in the Greek.

messianist said:

No good when you don’t understand it blind guid.

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You might think that what you understand is right and what others understand is wrong.
You grow out of that as you get wiser.

SkyWriting said:

You might think that what you understand is right and what others understand is wrong.
You grow out of that as you get wiser.

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Is that how it is for you?

messianist said:

Is that how it is for you?

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I am fully aware that my views have changed.
I mention it often.

SkyWriting said:

All Christians are considered fools. It's Biblical.
I am happy to be called names by people.

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I was not callin you a name friend. The foolish person proverbs speaks of are those who refuse to acknowledge truths of God. When those in Cults like Christian Science are good examples. I often hear anti intellectualism from them when speaking truths of Scripture.

Christian Science teaches that Matter does not exist. Deny the existence of Sin, sickness, death and so on.

I often hear AI when one does not have a good answer.

Daniel Marsh said:

I was not callin you a name friend. The foolish person proverbs speaks of are those who refuse to acknowledge truths of God. When those in Cults like Christian Science are good examples. I often hear anti intellectualism from them when speaking truths of Scripture.

Christian Science teaches that Matter does not exist. Deny the existence of Sin, sickness, death and so on.

I often hear AI when one does not have a good answer.

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I have read C.S. materials in the past, and actually have found some of it inspiring. Because this thread is about interpretation of the Bible, I am curious what you find antithetical to scripture among the Scientists?

When Mary B. Eddy (founder of C.S.) spoke of matter being unreal, she meant that the Spirit is All. What this means is that matter cannot prevent the dominion of the Spirit so long as the believer forsakes his attachment to matter, or "the flesh" (via the senses and our attachments thereto). One can say that Christ Jesus demonstrated this scientifically (as in demonstrably true, like a Law of science [beyond theory]), hence why they call themselves "Christian Scientists." As for sin, sickness and death, they say that Christ in his ministry proved the "nothingness" of them. I'm sure the literature may upset some, but these points are squarely within a Christian interpretation of scripture, in my view.

Some relevant scripture:

1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
(Mark 9:1)

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
(John 6:63)

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
(Galatians 3:22)

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To-day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
(Hebrews 3:13)

SkyWriting said:

I am fully aware that my views have changed.
I mention it often.

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So what are you suggesting my views need to be changed on?

messianist said:

So what are you suggesting my views need to be changed on?

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The idea that people who don't agree with you are wrong. And that it is your obligation to re-educate without putting any effort into doing so. But most people do that as well so you are not unique.

SkyWriting said:

The idea that people who don't agree with you are wrong.

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That not how I view it across the board, that is exactly how the other people also think in relation to my responses?