The Holiness and Righteousness of God

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Its self explanatory.
Not to an unconverted seeker. If everything in the Bible is self-explanatory, then there would be no need for having a Bible teacher as one of the five-fold ministries to the body of Christ.
 
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Thousands of people followed Jesus during His earthly ministry but only 120 ended up in the upper room on the Day of Pentecost. Judas followed Jesus as well and look what happened to him. Just following Jesus is not enough. One must be genuinely born again by being converted to Him and only the Holy Spirit can do that in a person.

Follow Jesus by doing what He said.

Its not easy though!
 
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But the truth is that we can't attain it. That's the problem. Paul pointed that out in Romans. Yet, as I said, I am totally holy and righteous without even trying to love God more or to follow any law, so how do you think I can say that?
Well, we can't say that-because we can always love God more and love is the definition of righteousness for man, so the more the better! The gospel was never, never, never intended to be some kind of reprieve from man's obligation to be rightoeous and refrain from sin-just the opposite -that idea would be a perversion of the gospel, in fact.

In Romans 7 Paul tells us that the law is holy, right, spiritual, and good-the probloem is with man, not the law. What's the answer, how can we escape this slavery to sin? The answer is Christ! Only in Him can I find the reason, the strength, and the power to do battle against the sin that condemns me. I was made for Him, for relationship/communion with God-and that's where Jesus brings me.

"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
John 17:3

So now we can attain what we never could on our own, under the law.
"...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." Phil 3:9

"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." Rom 3:21-22

"But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Rom 6:22-23

"And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Rom 8:4

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." Rom 8:12-13

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

"Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." 1 John 3:7-9
 
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Not to an unconverted seeker. If everything in the Bible is self-explanatory, then there would be no need for having a Bible teacher as one of the five-fold ministries to the body of Christ.

Before the 'Bible' came into being, around the 4th century, people were preached to. Taught, by mouth. From the Apostles and their successors, through Sacred Tradition and Sacred scripture.

Nowadays we have thousands of denominations each preaching their own unique take on God's word!
 
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We will rise sinless from the grave,
but sinless takes us only from negative to neutral, not to righteousness.
We will rise sinless with righteousness imputed to us just as it was to Abraham (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3)
Seeing that you mentioned Abraham, I had a few interesting thoughts about him while in the shower this morning. Seeing that I am the OP and that my original thesis has largely done its dash, I can deviate into another train of thought concerning faith and righteousness.

Paul says in Romans that Abraham believed God and this was counted to him as righteousness. The fact is that Abraham knew that he and Sarah were well beyond child-bearing age. He never closed his eyes to the truth of that. He didn't pretend that anything was different about him and Sarah. But God had spoken to him and given in the promise that he would be the father of many nations.

Therefore Abraham had a simple choice. Go with the true fact that he and Sarah could never again beget children, or go with what God promised. He decided to go with God's promise. This did not mean that he started to pretend that he and Sarah could now sire children, although on the basis of God's promise he and Sarah recommenced doing the necessary in faith that in God's time Sarah would become pregnant. If he didn't believe God's promise, he wouldn't have recommenced the necessary. (I'm being discrete about how I am expressing it here). This is how he demonstrated his faith in God's promise - by doing what he needed to make Sarah pregnant. Let's not be so heavenly minded that we are no earthly use! God's promise did not mean that Sarah would have a miracle pregnancy without the natural means of achieving it. So, in God's time, Sarah did become pregnant, and Isaac was born.

So, Abraham believed God's promise and then put his faith into action by doing the obvious thing. This makes faith more than just sitting on the couch or in a pew thinking, "I believe". It is doing exactly what needs to be done to demonstrate what is being believed. Faith in terms of Christian conversion is believing the promise that if I turn to Christ as my Saviour, then I am going to start reading and studying the Bible and praying and then following the leading of the Holy Spirit about where to fellowship with other Christians and what works of the flesh I need to forsake in order to walk worthy of my new Christian life. In other words, I am going to do the things that demonstrate my faith in Christ.

This is interesting in the area of divine healing. Faith in God's promise of healing does not consist on pretending that the symptoms no longer exist. It also does not presume that healing has already happened as the result of taking hold of the promise by faith in spite of the symptoms still evident. It also does not include keeping away from the doctor and no longer taking the medication prescribed. It involves a simple choice - do I go along with God's promise of healing, or do I go along with deciding that I am going to remain sick and never be healed? I think that demonstrating faith in God's promise involves doing what the Holy Spirit leads us to do without allowing the sickness to get in the way of it.

There is the story of G C Bevington, a Methodist Holiness preacher, who was to preach at a service, but some time before the service he was laid low with a severe flu-like infection. He knew that God wanted him to preach, and so he prayed for healing. Then he got out of bed with much effort, got dressed, and made his way to the meeting. As he went, he got a little better, and a little more better, until when he got to the service, he was totally fit and preached successfully. He used his faith in God's promise to receive healing in order to do God's will at that time.

It doesn't always happen that way, because God has not promise guaranteed healing on demand. It all depends on what the Holy Spirit says at the time.

Anyway, it will be interesting what discussion this will generate on the thread.
 
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Before the 'Bible' came into being, around the 4th century, people were preached to. Taught, by mouth. From the Apostles and their successors, through Sacred Tradition and Sacred scripture.

Nowadays we have thousands of denominations each preaching their own unique take on God's word!
The Canon of Scripture was basically in place by the middle of the 2nd Century. Before that, the letters of Paul were in general circulation, and the Gospels were in circulation before the end of the 1st Century.

However, I don't want to go down the track of commenting on what different denominations teach. This is not the object of this thread. It is to examine how we can get into heaven unless we are as holy as God is.
 
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The narrow gate....
Yep. The gate is narrow because there are not many who are willing to become as little children and accept Christ by faith in Him alone without the belief that they have to contribute in some way toward their salvation. One of the major components of receiving Christ as Saviour is that we are so sinful and depraved that there is nothing we can do in the way of good works that would merit us being accepted by God. Many cannot bring themselves to accept that there is nothing in them that would be attractive to God. This is human pride - that people want to believe that there is something good in them. They can't accept that there is nothing good in them at all. It is realisation that there is nothing good in a person that causes that person to put his or her dependence totally on Christ and no one or nothing else.
 
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Thats why Paul wrote 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification/holiness, and redemption:




Yes all need to put these on, ( righteousness and holiness) to put on Christ...



Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 
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We will rise sinless from the grave,
but sinless takes us only from negative to neutral, not to righteousness.
We will rise sinless with righteousness imputed to us just as it was to Abraham (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3)



That rising from the dead (the grave) is now also..


Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
 
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Without sin does not equal righteous.

Righteousness is also the presence of something, not just the absence of something.




Without sin is to salvation, and to speak the truth is when no unrighteousness ( through the Spirit of truth which is the meaning of without sin/without the lying spirit) is in you..


John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 
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What is missing in man is belief in the person and atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for remission of their sin. . .which belief saves.
That is the gospel.

Love of neighbor does not save unbelievers.

Those who believe live in love of God and love of neighbor.

It is the belief that saves, not its works.
Its works sanctify the already saved.




Love is God, no man loves until God guides them, and they through His light walk in love.


Faith works through love...


Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
 
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Yep. The gate is narrow because there are not many who are willing to become as little children and accept Christ by faith in Him alone without the belief that they have to contribute in some way toward their salvation. One of the major components of receiving Christ as Saviour is that we are so sinful and depraved that there is nothing we can do in the way of good works that would merit us being accepted by God. Many cannot bring themselves to accept that there is nothing in them that would be attractive to God. This is human pride - that people want to believe that there is something good in them. They can't accept that there is nothing good in them at all. It is realisation that there is nothing good in a person that causes that person to put his or her dependence totally on Christ and no one or nothing else.





The purpose of God calling man out of darkness to His marvellous light, is so they show that light ( goodness) to others, and also show them how vain it is to use a torch that doesnt shine.
 
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The only way anyone is going to get to heaven is to be perfect in every way without a single fault.
This is a HUGE and imbalanced misunderstanding of sound teaching and the nature of our sanctification in Christ.
 
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This is a HUGE and imbalanced misunderstanding of sound teaching and the nature of our sanctification in Christ.


To not do faults to anyone is scriptural, and it is not only simple, straight forward easy to understand, it happens to be what is right, if we remember not to follow a crooked serpent.



Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
 
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Not to an unconverted seeker. If everything in the Bible is self-explanatory, then there would be no need for having a Bible teacher as one of the five-fold ministries to the body of Christ.
God has made Christ to be our righteousness and holiness/sanctification. They are free gifts to Gods people. Believers have all the righteousness and Holiness God requires through Christ being given for them and to them. 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

So no flesh can glory in Gods presence about those things Vs 29
 
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God has made Christ to be our righteousness and holiness/sanctification. They are free gifts to Gods people. Believers have all the righteousness and Holiness God requires through Christ being given for them and to them. 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

So no flesh can glory in Gods presence about those things Vs 29



Look at the words you quote ?

We require wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, to be redeemed.


Here is wisdom ( the Spirit of wisdom):


Job 28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.


Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.



Proverbs 15:33 The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;


Isaiah 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the Lord is his treasure.
 
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Yes all need to put these on, ( righteousness and holiness) to put on Christ...



Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Those who God chose in Christ have those things because God has made Christ to be those things to them, notice 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
 
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