If UFO's are proven to be 100% real, what happens to your faith?

Jamdoc said:

Ezekiel 1 has some descriptions of wheels in the sky that changed direction without turning, and made noises like rushing water.

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Yep. And?

Any Alien would be a created being... so who's to say they don't serve God.
But they are not made in His image.

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Really? And you know that because...?

We can't prove that aliens of any kind even exist, but by cracky we know they ain't made in the image of God!

Amazing.

Basil the Great said:

Since quite a few here at CF are totally convinced that aliens have not visited the Earth, I have a question. If the the U.S. government were to ever publicly admit that UFO's are indeed visitors from space and that they have visited the Earth in recent years, what impact would such have upon your faith, if any?

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Probably demonic apparitions. We as Christians are not concerned with the here and now. We look upwards and towards heaven.

It is interesting that the onset of UFO sightings coincided with the development of aviation.

The probability of UFOs is more than likely zero. Given the vast distances between the stars.

I don't think there would be many scientific folk that believe in UFOs.

Jipsah said:

I'd have though the comparison was obvious. Both involve declaring, out of sheer ignorance, that a group of people were demons. To declare that aliens are demons is an act of the same kind of ignorance, compounded by the fact that you don't even know if the people you're calling name even exist or not. That goes beyond simple ignorance and becomes delusion. Cling to that if it seems good to you, everyone has the right to be ridiculous if they so choose.

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Aliens wouldn't be humans

Jipsah said:

Yep. And?

Really? And you know that because...?

We can't prove that aliens of any kind even exist, but by cracky we know they ain't made in the image of God!

Amazing.

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Hebrews 1 would suggest that no Angel is made in the image of God.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

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the only Aliens that do exist that we know for sure .. are Angels, we know that sometimes they are ministering spirits not visiible, but sometimes they take on appearances of people or inappropriate behavior with animals creatures and are capable of physical activities like pulling Lot in through the door.
So can they exist physically on other planets and therefore be truly what we'd consider "Aliens" by more than the most rudimentary definition (something that is not from Earth would be an Alien, even if it's a spirit)? That I don't know
but we know that angels are not created in God's image.

klutedavid said:

Probably demonic apparitions.

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Bad logic, IMO. That's far, far from being the most parsimonous explanation.

It is interesting that the onset of UFO sightings coincided with the development of aviation.

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More flying things, more flying objects to be unidentified.

The probability of UFOs is more than likely zero. Given the vast distances between the stars.

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The probability of UFOs is 100%, since anything that flies and can't be identified is, by definition, a UFO. Probability of flying saucers approaches zero, though, unless one invokes magic

I don't think there would be many scientific folk that believe in UFOs.

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You're using "UFO" to mean "flying saucer" again. That only causes confusion. I've seen UFOs, I don't believe in flying saucers.

Jipsah said:

Bad logic, IMO. That's far, far from being the most parsimonous explanation.

More flying things, more flying objects to be unidentified.

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Good point, thanks.

You're using "UFO" to mean "flying saucer" again. That only causes confusion. I've seen UFOs, I don't believe in flying saucers.

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I don't know what a flying saucer is. I think, you may mean an alien spacecraft.

Thing is, Ezekiel saw flying saucers.

Jamdoc said:

Thing is, Ezekiel saw flying saucers.

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Eh, probably not. The link below contains notes and images which reveal that:



Here's an ANE image of a winged creature covered with eyes:


And a four-faced deity:


The link has other ANE images such as flying gods, a table with wheels, etc. There are no flying saucers here.

I think it's like seeing one of those medieval paintings that appears to be a flying saucer to us moderns, when the ancients understood it was a priest's hat.

Jamdoc said:

Thing is, Ezekiel saw flying saucers.

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Really? Where does it say that?

Basil the Great said:

This thread is not about me proving they exist. I am simply asking how would the faith of those of you who insist that they are not real be impacted, if total and absolute proof is provided that aliens are here on Earth.

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Not in the slightest.

For the longest time aliens from other planets fascinated me. I never envisioned them to be aggressive or tyrannical creatures, they were always just curious being as we are curious being. They would share their knowledge with us and if we had anything to offer them, we would share it with them. But as time went on, my fascination has dwindled. I realized that science has made it difficult for aliens to live near us and technology has made it difficult for aliens to travel throughout the galaxies in days versus hundreds of years. So my excitement has been tamed by scientific reality.

But I shifted my curiosity to the question of how my faith would explain these alien creatures from other worlds. Would they know our God? If they did know our God (in one way or another) I would feel jubilated because science on Earth would have to recognize this fact. If they didn't know our God then I'd have to do alot more thinking on the subject. It would be a setback to my faith to a certain extent but it wouldn't stop me from having faith in God.

It like with science today. Every time science claims to have discovered something that indirectly looks like it disproves there is a God. The faithful have to grapple with that information. Eventually, something else comes along to contradict the discovery and one's faith is at ease again. So it would be with aliens who do not know our God. The faithful would grapple with the information but eventually something would come along to set the faithful' minds at ease.

Basil the Great said:

Since quite a few here at CF are totally convinced that aliens have not visited the Earth, I have a question. If the the U.S. government were to ever publicly admit that UFO's are indeed visitors from space and that they have visited the Earth in recent years, what impact would such have upon your faith, if any?

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I would have a lot of questions.

I'd like to talk to them.

I'd wonder what they are like and what they think we are like. I'd also wonder about their faith too.

ChetSinger said:

Eh, probably not. The link below contains notes and images which reveal that:

...Mike's view is that all the elements of the Ezekiel vision referring to beings or objects can be accounted for in the iconography of the ancient near eastern world...

...Using ancient near eastern images and literature for theologically polemic purposes was a common practice for biblical writers...​

Notes on Ezekiel​

Here's an ANE image of a winged creature covered with eyes:

And a four-faced deity:

The link has other ANE images such as flying gods, a table with wheels, etc. There are no flying saucers here.

I think it's like seeing one of those medieval paintings that appears to be a flying saucer to us moderns, when the ancients understood it was a priest's hat.

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I mean these

15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

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Circular objects in the sky? Kind of flying saucers by definition.

Jamdoc said:

I mean these

Circular objects in the sky? Kind of flying saucers by definition.

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Let's take a breath. Here's another picture pulled from ANE iconography in my previous link. It's a platform with four winged creatures, and wheels:


If you browse through the text and pictures you'll find similar things. Ezekiel's vision fits the iconography of his time, without being a spacecraft. From the text:

Basil the Great said:

This thread is not about me proving they exist. I am simply asking how would the faith of those of you who insist that they are not real be impacted, if total and absolute proof is provided that aliens are here on Earth.

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I think many would kill themselves or be deniers to the extreme and endanger society

Basil the Great said:

Since quite a few here at CF are totally convinced that aliens have not visited the Earth, I have a question. If the the U.S. government were to ever publicly admit that UFO's are indeed visitors from space and that they have visited the Earth in recent years, what impact would such have upon your faith, if any?

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This would have zero impact on my faith. Nowhere in the bible does it say that earth is the only planet with life in the universe.

Basil the Great said:

Since quite a few here at CF are totally convinced that aliens have not visited the Earth, I have a question. If the the U.S. government were to ever publicly admit that UFO's are indeed visitors from space and that they have visited the Earth in recent years, what impact would such have upon your faith, if any?

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None at all.

And I would be very sceptical of such an admission. Not so sceptical as to be impossible to convince of the truth of such claims as were made in that admission; but I would not believe such an admission by a government merely because that admission was made. For governments, including the United States government, are entirely capable of being untruthful, as well as of being mis-advised or incorrect.

How, after all, would people go about identifying entities as being alien ?