The Gospel of Donald Trump Jr.

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negative. That is incorrect
I Googled it and he only graduated from one college, the one his dad went to, the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. Am I missing something?

"Trump was educated at Buckley School[18] and The Hill School, a college preparatory boarding school in Pottstown, Pennsylvania, followed by the University of Pennsylvania's (Penn) Wharton School, where he graduated in 2000 with a B.S. in Economics.[19]"
 
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Strength is not an attribute to be admired when applied to a malevolent narcissist.
I suppose Trump did feel threatened having to dodge kitchen sinks all the time. And, who wouldn't feel important as President of the United States?

Hitler and Stalin were strong, for example.
They weren't in the White House though.
 
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John 2:15
But he was not being personally attacked in any way in that situation in John 2:15 so I don't see how turning the other cheek applies. When Jesus was ever personally attacked he turned the other cheek and never sought revenge (which Trump is the king of revenge!) Thanks for the reply.
 
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But he was not being personally attacked in any way in that situation in John 2:15 so I don't see how turning the other cheek applies.
He seemed to take it personally.

When Jesus was ever personally attacked he turned the other cheek and never sought revenge (which Trump is the king of revenge!)
Yeah, but the discussion is about Jr., not Trump.
 
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I suppose Trump did feel threatened having to dodge kitchen sinks all the time. And, who wouldn't feel important as President of the United States?

Trump just didn't carry himself or behave like most of our other presidents, or even as most sane Americans would act. He was a joke at best and a scary narcissistic dictator wannabe at worst. He was a demagogue playing with the heads of the least fortunate and most discouraged and depressed people in our country working on their resentment to fuel the worship of his base. It was exactly the same tactic that Hitler used to become popular in Germany and the same kind of people responded ecstatically to Trump's message as those that fell for Hitler's message.

And I have no affection whatsoever for the Democrats, but that doesn't mean I will believe a lie that Trump is a good leader for our country.


They weren't in the White House though.

I don't see what that has to do with it. My point was that strong leaders, as you say that Trump is, are not necessarily good leaders.
 
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I don't see what that has to do with hit. My point was that strong leaders, as you say that Trump is, are not necessarily good leaders.
Well, Trump was strong and a good leader, whether you liked him or not. That's my point.
 
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Well, Trump was strong and a good leader, whether you liked him or not. That's my point.
You didn't say he was a good leader, just a strong leader. And many people would not agree that he was a good leader. He was not smart, not hard working, not truthful, very vengeful, and very much a narcissist. He was probably the best example of someone who had all of the worst traits found in America. If God put him in the presidency to be a mirror of the ugliest traits of Americans many seemed to have missed it!
 
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Oh, his intent is clear. "We've turned the other cheek.....but it has gotten us nothing." [my takeaway is - by following Christ, it will gain you nothing in today's political climate. if I really want to fight my political opponents, I should reject Jesus as His power is insufficient. ]
That begs the question can a Christian be successful in politics? Hmmm.
 
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Out of the 11,000 words Trump used in that speech he used the word "peaceful" only once. He used the words "fight" or "fighting" 20 times. For example;

“If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

He also said things like;

“You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

“You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen.”

“We are going to the Capitol, to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.”

Trump said thank you to his supporters during his speech when they were chanting: “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!”

And don't forget that just prior to Trump's speech Rudy Giuliani told the crowd: “Let’s have trial by combat.”

The events of January 6th showed us that Trump's supporters took his words to mean a physical fight to "take back the country," not a peaceful one.

And we know, regardless of how he couched his words, what he wanted his base to do as did they. Followers of a leader look as to how they are to act and what is wanted from them through more than one speech where Trump is obviously going to couch his words in ways that he will be able to avoid guilt. And that is how you can see if a person is really following Christ because that follower knows everything Christ said and what he wants from Christians and acts accordingly, which is very different from what Trump wanted from his followers! And Jan 6th is EXACTLY where Trump led! That incident was the PERFECT result of Trump's message over the last 5 years![/QUOTE]
 
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He got exactly ONE and only one degree, a bachelors of economics degree from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania so to say that he graduated from three prestigious schools is a flat out lie.

He went to a prestigious private high school called the Hill School in Pottstown, Pa. for his H.S. diploma, bachelor degree from University of Pa., & his MBA from Wharton. Where is the lie?
 
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You didn't say he was a good leader, just a strong leader. And many people would not agree that he was a good leader. He was not smart, not hard working, not truthful, very vengeful, and very much a narcissist. He was probably the best example of someone who had all of the worst traits found in America. If God put him in the presidency to be a mirror of the ugliest traits of Americans many seemed to have missed it!

The current president as former vp, was part of an administration that fostered upheaval in the Middle East ( “Arab Spring”) which created a perpetual refugee crisis. His boss called ISIS the “junior varsity” . Meddled in elections in Ukraine and always posed as their friend while Russia took Crimea & the Donbas region seceded. Their apparatus said Trump colluded with Russia for his election yet the situation actually stalemated. Now, lo and behold, Ukraine is now bracing for invasion. The current prez’s son always takes cash from China & Ukraine etc. etc.
 
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He got exactly ONE and only one degree, a bachelors of economics degree from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania so to say that he graduated from three prestigious schools is a flat out lie.
He went to a prestigious private high school called the Hill School in Pottstown, Pa. for his H.S. diploma, bachelor degree from University of Pa., & his MBA from Wharton. Where is the lie?

Can you give me ANY source that Don Jr has an MBA from anywhere? I couldn't find that anywhere! Here's what I found:

"Just like his famous father, Donald Trump Jr. attended the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, obtaining a bachelor's degree in finance and real estate in 2000, according to Quartz. While at Penn, Don Jr. had a reputation for drinking heavily and getting into fights. "To be fairly candid, I used to drink and party pretty hard," he told New York Magazine in 2004. A Vanity Fair story painted a slightly blunter picture of his behavior, quoting former Penn classmate Scott Melker as saying, "Every memory I have of him is of him stumbling around on campus falling over or passing out in public, with his arm in a sling from injuring himself while drinking."

Here's How Far The Trumps Really Got In School

 
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The current president as former vp, was part of an administration that fostered upheaval in the Middle East ( “Arab Spring”) which created a perpetual refugee crisis. His boss called ISIS the “junior varsity” . Meddled in elections in Ukraine and always posed as their friend while Russia took Crimea & the Donbas region seceded. Their apparatus said Trump colluded with Russia for his election yet the situation actually stalemated. Now, lo and behold, Ukraine is now bracing for invasion. The current prez’s son always takes cash from China & Ukraine etc. etc.
I'm not a Democrat and would never stand up for any of the Bidens or the Democratic Party. I'm talking about the Trumps and the truth compared to the lies about them spread so often online. As far as Trump and his Russian collusion it was a necessary investigation seeing how Trump had been associated with so many criminals and scoundrels in his prior business dealings in Russia.
 
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I took some on my secondary, part time janitorial work while a floor dried to watch another video of Don Jr. He is invited by many different groups to speak basically as a politician. It seems natural that in a series of close engagements, his speeches will be similar and they are. I heard him make another turn the cheek reference and it was again about a person standing their ground and this whole matter is a few seconds of his whole speech.


Personally, I try to avoid mixing faith with politics.

The context of the Sermon on the Mount doesn’t suggest to me that it was a discourse on political strategy…
 
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“If we get together, they cannot cancel us all. Okay? They won’t. And this will be contrary to a lot of our beliefs because—I’d love not to have to participate in cancel culture. I’d love that it didn’t exist. But as long as it does, folks, we better be playing the same game. Okay? We’ve been playing T-ball for half a century while they’re playing hardball and cheating. Right? We’ve turned the other cheek, and I understand, sort of, the biblical reference—I understand the mentality—but it’s gotten us nothing. Okay? It’s gotten us nothing while we’ve ceded ground in every major institution in our country.”
-Donald Trump Jr at a Turning Point USA gathering on Dec 19th.

Writing in The Atlantic Peter Wehner writes:
"And the former president’s son has a message for the tens of millions of evangelicals who form the energized base of the GOP: the scriptures are essentially a manual for suckers. The teachings of Jesus have “gotten us nothing.” It’s worse than that, really; the ethic of Jesus has gotten in the way of successfully prosecuting the culture wars against the left. If the ethic of Jesus encourages sensibilities that might cause people in politics to act a little less brutally, a bit more civilly, with a touch more grace? Then it needs to go.
The verse about turning the other cheek is usually misinterpreted and it certainly is here.
It's not a statement against standing up for anything. It's about not returning insult for insult. The slap on the cheek wasn't a physical attack... it was a way of putting someone down in that culture. Another way of saying it would be don't lower yourself to your enemies level by acting nasty.
Instead we should simply tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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The verse about turning the other cheek is usually misinterpreted and it certainly is here.
It's not a statement against standing up for anything. It's about not returning insult for insult. The slap on the cheek wasn't a physical attack... it was a way of putting someone down in that culture. Another way of saying it would be don't lower yourself to your enemies level by acting nasty.
Instead we should simply tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
I think it's basically targeted at the Jews' eye for an eye revenge mentality.
 
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