Why is society splitting up over covid?

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vaccines have part of the virus in it to make your antibodies be able to fight the virus as your body can have virus antibodies can be in your body so you dont get it again and if you do you can fight it only people with Cancer ,and HIV can't fight the virus with antibodies because they are at risk of getting very, very ill, so they can get the virus more easily and in the uk they had to shield because it can kill them

Actually some people have been identified who have naturally fought off the HIV virus. Scientists report finding a second person to be ‘naturally’ cured of HIV, raising hopes for future treatments Cancer can be caused by a virus in some cases but it's not a virus It is the uncontrolled division of abnormal human cells within the body. There have been those in the medical profession like controversial former Italian Oncologist Tullio Simoncini however that say cancer is a fungus as it's often found even in the early stages of cancer before the immune system has been compromised appearing in the area of cancer growth. However this is not proven and is largely debunked by most in the medical profession.
 
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What are we doing? Playing right into the devil's hands and allowing covid to win! Everywhere people are arguing. Not listening.

It dawned on me suddenly. I was in real discomfort, feeling unwell after having my third booster, as I have chosen to be vaccinated. Yet those closest to me were oddly dismissive, saying I 'ought not' to have soreness. People are not listening to each other. I am very guilty too. I pledge to put myself right.

Searching internet discussions I see many people have had truly bad reactions and suffering to the vaccinations, or their loved ones have.

We must listen, not dictate and reassure each other. Not let fear rule. Our society is dangerously divided.
The only way humans have always survived and thrived is by cooperation.
So let this post be please a safe place to express your reservations about being vaccinated or not. No attacking, just listening and understanding.

I am scared, I have had my injections, but inside I am stressed, my health is suffering and I feel overwhelmed. I pray daily for strength and it is always provided by our Lord Jesus. He will not fail us.
Let us not fail each other. Let us listen, not argue, just accept, reassure and pray for those in trouble. Let's be different from non-christians.




Last year, my father died of cancer because he could not get his treatment due to the covid lockdown. The doctor had full confidence he would survive the canser with surgery and radiation. After his first surgery he was in a rehab facility when the lockdown started. After a big decontamination production the facility took him to his first oncology appt. That was also the last, they claimed they could not sanitize the van and guarantee he would not be exposed, and if he left the facility he would have to spend 2 weeks in quarantine "somewhere else". His untreated cancer killed him 6 months later.

My 98 year old father-in-law would go to the mall daily and walk with his senior walking buddies, then go to church. Until last month when he had a booster and within 24 hours had balance problems which were actually loss of fine motor control in his legs. After a week he could not feel his legs.

No doubt thats just coincidence, or so all the covid fanatics tell me. Or its because he was so old, or so the covid fanatics tell me. It couldn't be the vaccine, or so the covid fanatics tell me.

Just look at this forum - labeled a Christian forum - as proof that people who question anything about covid will be ridiculed and reported and the mods will step in.

So, yes, the nation is divided. Its been divided by one side denigrating people who disagree with them. Refuse the vax and get labeled a murderer.

While I sympathize with the motive of this thread, its too late. I've been harassed and had loved ones injured and I am past the point of wanting to grab onto an olive branch. Covid fanatics have done real harm to me and mine.

Its not Christian, but there is a strain of covid pushers that I will not forgive. To all the people pushing the vax and lockdowns and masks I say a 2 word phrase, the first word starts with "F".
 
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Covid has harmed by far more people than the vaccine. It's your choice, it's a two horse race, do you put your money on the odds on favourite (the vaccine) or do you gamble on the extreme outsider (no vaccine) Personally I'm not that much of a gambler myself. There is also another reason to have the vaccine, a selfless reason, that being you will be helping to protect others, and preventing hospitals from becoming over-crowded which can have serious consequences for serious ill people like those with cancer.

Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice, you will be making a small sacrifice in comparison if you decided to protect yourself with the vaccine despite having fears about it. Let's be honest so many people around the world have had the vaccines with little or no negative effect. I had a sore arm, and perhaps felt slightly under the weather for a couple of days, hardly a major inconvenience.
 
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Covid has harmed by far more people than the vaccine. It's your choice, it's a two horse race, do you put your money on the odds on favourite (the vaccine) or do you gamble on the extreme outsider (no vaccine) Personally I'm not that much of a gambler myself. There is also another reason to have the vaccine, a selfless reason, that being you will be helping to protect others, and preventing hospitals from becoming over-crowded which can have serious consequences for serious ill people like those with cancer.

Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice, you will be making a small sacrifice in comparison if you decided to protect yourself with the vaccine despite having fears about it. Let's be honest so many people around the world have had the vaccines with little or no negative effect. I had a sore arm, and perhaps felt slightly under the weather for a couple of days, hardly a major inconvenience.
 
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Covid has harmed by far more people than the vaccine. It's your choice, it's a two horse race, do you put your money on the odds on favourite (the vaccine) or do you gamble on the extreme outsider (no vaccine) Personally I'm not that much of a gambler myself. There is also another reason to have the vaccine, a selfless reason, that being you will be helping to protect others, and preventing hospitals from becoming over-crowded which can have serious consequences for serious ill people like those with cancer.

How do you know how many people have been harmed by the Wuhan virus vaccines? Are you aware of the huge distortions and cover-ups that are going on concerning the efficacy and harm of the vaccines? It doesn't sound like it. Are you aware that no prior vaccine has ever been allowed to accrue the level of harm that the present vaccines have accrued? Any prior vaccine having even a fraction of the adverse events attributed to the Wuhan virus mRNA vaccines was scrapped as dangerous and ineffective. And yet, now these highly-dangerous, weak vaccines are being pushed on children who are, statistically-speaking, in comparison to other demographic populations, virtually immune to the virus! Follow the money.

It is also extremely false to suggest that there is some moral imperative, a "selfless reason," for getting the vaccine that obliges good people to take it. The vaccinated get infected by the virus and infect others. Some, having taken two and three boosters, are still dying from the virus! Vaccination, then, does not "protect others." In fact, it may make the spread of the virus more rapid and concentrated, since many vaccinated people (like you) have a false sense of their immunity to the virus and congregate together, helping viral transmission.

The reality is that only a small segment of the population is dangerously susceptible to the virus. We don't hear this, though, from the talking heads on CNN, or NBC, or wherever. No, all the pop media wants you to hear is that people are dying. Stay afraid! Give up your freedoms! Comply! This is what good people do. But the vast majority of healthy people under 60 have a 99% + recovery rate from the Wuhan virus. Upwards of 50% of people infected with the virus never even know they've been infected! When's the last time you heard a news cycle trumpeting these FACTS concerning the Wuhan virus? Never. Again, follow the money.

Finally, "flattening the curve" in hospitals is largely a political maneuver designed to prompt more vaccination (and more money in the pockets of Big Pharma, politicians and medical authorities), and justify incredible governmental over-reach. Ivermectin, fluvoxamine, monoclonal antibodies, vitamin D and zinc - these and other treatments have been shown repeatedly, in clinical use, to effectively counter the virus and its effects on the body, emptying hospitals of people critically-ill from the virus. The "crisis" in hospitals, then, is mostly contrived, occurring in the midst of known, cheap, readily-available and effective treatments of the virus. There is nowhere near as much money to be made in such treatments, however, and so they are characterized as "dangerous horse medicine," and/or "not established by double-blind, years-long, clinical studies involving thousands of subjects," etc.

Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice, you will be making a small sacrifice in comparison if you decided to protect yourself with the vaccine despite having fears about it. Let's be honest so many people around the world have had the vaccines with little or no negative effect. I had a sore arm, and perhaps felt slightly under the weather for a couple of days, hardly a major inconvenience.

And the many thousands now (the number grows daily) who have been permanently damaged by the vaccines? What do you say to those who have become paralyzed, or suffered strokes, or heart attacks, or chronic myocarditis, pericarditis, ADE or who have died? Tough nuts? Too bad, oh well? And what about the far superior effects of natural immunity? Why, when natural immunity is so much better than the weak help the vaccines offer against the virus, should healthy people run the terrible risk of the many extreme adverse effects of the mRNA vaccines? Again, 99%+ of healthy people under 60 will recover from the virus without aid of a vaccine and upwards of 50% of them have been infected already and never even known it. And when this natural recovery has happened, they will have far better resistance to the virus than they would have had from any of the tepid and very dangerous mRNA vaccines that are making billions upon billions of dollars for a select few in the political, medical and pharmaceutical fields.

www.brownstone.org
www.covid19criticalcare.com
www.bird-group.org
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYOlnsoB5tcLM7TILShPVxixSJJp37sdT
www.pandata.org
www.gbdeclaration.org
www.action4canada.com

It is the height of specious, manipulative rhetoric to invoke Jesus in the matter of vaccination. He died for our sins and to secure our eternal destiny, not to help suppress a mere temporal, physical malady. He died to save us from ourselves and the self-deception and sin under which we can't help but labor as sin-cursed creatures. He did not sacrifice himself under the influence of a false medical narrative, taking a vaccine and dying under the mistaken notion that doing so protected others from a virus.

Christians show themselves to be "sheep" of a very different kind from those of John 10 when they blindly follow the fear-mongering vaccination propaganda flowing constantly from the pop media and Establishment "experts." The Good Shepherd commands his "sheep" to be good Bereans, examining the hard data as much as possible, checking the claims of those who are trying to herd them in a particular direction, to see "whether these things be so" or not. Many Christians, unfortunately, don't do this with their own faith and with those under whose teaching they have placed themselves, but, instead, simply adopt whatever the "expert" tells them to adopt, trusting blindly to the credentials and moral fiber of the "expert," rather than making the effort to study out a matter for themselves. This is a surefire way to come under the power of a false teacher - and under the power of secular experts, captured by avarice and power, who are making merchandise of those who blindly follow their proclamations and advice about dangerous and weak vaccines.
 
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How do you know how many people have been harmed by the Wuhan virus vaccines? Are you aware of the huge distortions and cover-ups that are going on concerning the efficacy and harm of the vaccines? It doesn't sound like it. Are you aware that no prior vaccine has ever been allowed to accrue the level of harm that the present vaccines have accrued? Any prior vaccine having even a fraction of the adverse events attributed to the Wuhan virus mRNA vaccines was scrapped as dangerous and ineffective - especially in light of how "leaky" the vaccines are proving to be. And yet, now these highly-dangerous, weak vaccines are being pushed on children who are, statistically-speaking, in comparison to other demographic populations, virtually immune to the virus! Follow the money.

It is also extremely false to suggest that there is some moral imperative, a "selfless reason," for getting the vaccine that obliges good people to take it. The vaccinated get infected by the virus and infect others. Some, having taken two and three boosters, are still dying from the virus! Vaccination, then, does not "protect others." In fact, it may make the spread of the virus more rapid and concentrated, since many vaccinated people (like you) have a false sense of their immunity to the virus and congregate together, helping viral transmission.

The reality is that only a small segment of the population is dangerously susceptible to the virus. We don't hear this, though, from the talking heads on CNN, or NBC, or wherever. No, all the pop media wants you to hear is that people are dying. Stay afraid! Give up your freedoms! Comply! This is what good people do. But the vast majority of healthy people under 60 have a 99% + recovery rate from the Wuhan virus. Upwards of 50% of people infected with the virus never even know they've been infected! When's the last time you heard a news cycle trumpeting these FACTS concerning the Wuhan virus? Never. Again, follow the money.

Finally, "flattening the curve" in hospitals is largely a political maneuver designed to prompt more vaccination (and more money in the pockets of Big Pharma, politicians and medical authorities), and justify incredible governmental over-reach. Ivermectin, fluvoxamine, monoclonal antibodies, vitamin D and zinc - these and other treatments have been shown repeatedly, in clinical use, to effectively counter the virus and its effects on the body, emptying hospitals of people critically-ill from the virus. The "crisis" in hospitals, then, is mostly contrived, occurring in the midst of known, cheap, readily-available and effective treatments of the virus. There is nowhere near as much money to be made in such treatments, however, and so they are characterized as "dangerous horse medicine," and/or "not established by double-blind, years-long, clinical studies involving thousands of subjects," etc.



And the many thousands now (the number grows daily) who have been permanently damaged by the vaccines? What do you say to those who have become paralyzed, or suffered strokes, or heart attacks, or chronic myocarditis, pericarditis, ADE or who have died? Tough nuts? Too bad, oh well? And what about the far superior effects of natural immunity? Why, when natural immunity is so much better than the weak help the vaccines offer against the virus, should healthy people run the terrible risk of the many extreme adverse effects of the mRNA vaccines? Again, 99%+ of healthy people under 60 will recover from the virus without aid of a vaccine and upwards of 50% of them have been infected already and never even known it. And when this natural recovery has happened, they will have far better resistance to the virus than they would have had from any of the tepid and very dangerous mRNA vaccines that are making billions upon billions of dollars for a select few in the political, medical and pharmaceutical fields.

www.brownstone.org
www.covid19criticalcare.com
www.bird-group.org
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYOlnsoB5tcLM7TILShPVxixSJJp37sdT
www.pandata.org
www.gbdeclaration.org
www.action4canada.com

It is the height of specious, manipulative rhetoric to invoke Jesus in the matter of vaccination. He died for our sins and to secure our eternal destiny, not to help suppress a mere temporal, physical malady. He died to save us from ourselves and the self-deception and sin under which we can't help but labor as sin-cursed creatures. He did not sacrifice himself under the influence of a false medical narrative, taking a vaccine and dying under the mistaken notion that doing so protected others from a virus.

Christians show themselves to be "sheep" of a very different kind from those of John 10 when they blindly follow the fear-mongering vaccination propaganda flowing constantly from the pop media and Establishment "experts." The Good Shepherd commands his "sheep" to be good Bereans, examining the hard data as much as possible, checking the claims of those who are trying to herd them in a particular direction, to see "whether these things be so" or not. Many Christians, unfortunately, don't do this with their own faith and with those under whose teaching they have placed themselves, but, instead, simply adopt whatever the "expert" tells them to adopt, trusting blindly to the credentials and moral fiber of the "expert," rather than making the effort to study out a matter for themselves. This is a surefire way to come under the power of a false teacher - and under the power of secular experts, captured by avarice and power, who are making merchandise of those who blindly follow their proclamations and advice about dangerous and weak vaccines.

I listen to the experts and not conspiracy theorists and quack doctors. I'm sorry I did not read all your posts because I've seen and heard this tone before and quite frankly I'm tired of hearing it. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I don't go around being insulting about anti vaxxers so don't be insulting towards us who have chosen to protect ourselves. Honestly if you truly believe in what you are saying good luck to you. You stay on your side of the fence and I will stay on mine, it has served me well so far. That's all I have to say on the matter as I know we will just be going round and round in circles when it comes to facts about covid and the vaccine. I used to be into conspiracy theories at one time just like you, but I learnt just how damaging this misinformation can be.
 
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I listen to the experts and not conspiracy theorists and quack doctors. I'm sorry I did not read all your posts because I've seen and heard this tone before and quite frankly I'm tired of hearing it. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I don't go around being insulting about anti vaxxers so don't be insulting towards us who have chosen to protect ourselves. Honestly if you truly believe in what you are saying good luck to you. You stay on your side of the fence and I will stay on mine, it has served me well so far. That's all I have to say on the matter as I know we will just be going round and round in circles when it comes to facts about covid and the vaccine. I used to be into conspiracy theories at one time just like you, but I learnt just how damaging this misinformation can be.


What experts? People like Fauci and the heads of CDC and HHS who have blatantly lied about masks and vaccines and ivermectin and HQ and evreything else?

Omicron shows up and all data shows its little more than a coid, and not even that for young people, but the govt ramps up mandates and goes into hyper fear mongering mode.

How can you trust anything the governmetn says about covid?

I follow the science, and that says covid is not the deadly mass killer the govt hypes it to be. I'm healthy, if I get covid its likely to be just another cold for me.

I may have already had covid and don't even know it, I could already have natural immunity. I have not been tested but had a mild cold twice.

The vax is new tech, untested and untried, no data on long term effects. And its not even a vaccine, its a treatment. If I want a treatment, I'll take HQ or ivermectin like people in other countries can do.

People should be able to weight their own risks. If people followed the science, most would not take the vax.
 
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I listen to the experts and not conspiracy theorists and quack doctors. I'm sorry I did not read all your posts because I've seen and heard this tone before and quite frankly I'm tired of hearing it. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I don't go around being insulting about anti vaxxers so don't be insulting towards us who have chosen to protect ourselves. Honestly if you truly believe in what you are saying good luck to you. You stay on your side of the fence and I will stay on mine, it has served me well so far. That's all I have to say on the matter as I know we will just be going round and round in circles when it comes to facts about covid and the vaccine. I used to be into conspiracy theories at one time just like you, but I learnt just how damaging this misinformation can be.

The data is pretty much all on my side. This is what your official experts are obscuring from you and/or outright lying about. They hope you continue to just blindly trust their proclamations, never examining the hard data yourself. I'm well aware of your side of the argument about the Wuhan virus, since it is pumped out by the pop media in a constant torrent. But I bet you've never set your eyes on a single medical research abstract that supports my side of things. Who, then, is operating with a myopic view of the facts? Not me.

You're free to restrict yourself as you like, trusting blindly to the Establishment experts, but don't fool yourself into thinking your side is as well-anchored in the actual facts of the matter as mine is. Each of the links I offered will take you to dozens and dozens of hard data sources, not merely experts telling you what they think (though the links are to PhD. experts in virology, epidemiology and ICU clinicians, too). Have you the courage to turn from the popular narrative you've embraced and consider these other sources? Or has the "Kool-Aid" too thoroughly permeated your thinking?
 
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You know it's funny how so many anti vaxxers seem to be filled with so much anger and hate. It's not happening the other way round despite people like me really feeling that we should all be vaccinated, I believe in the freedom of choice but I know we will all be judged by our actions by a higher law.

I really feel like many of you are not walking with our Lord Jesus but are rather being blinded by Satan's lies that are designed to create division. I know a lot of you will say it is us vaccinated that are being mislead, however I'm not the one walking in fear. FROM MARK 16 ''And those who believe will be able to do these things as proof: They will use my name to force out demons. They will speak in new languages. They will pick up snakes and drink poison without being hurt''.

So what are you afraid of if you believe in the Lord? Of course you might believe the same applies with not taking the vaccine if you believe you will be saved by the effects of the virus. But I have seen the likes of this happen https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/12/05/marcus-lamb-death-covid-19-vaccines-rs-v So why would God let this happen? Well maybe we should remember these words - ''You shall not put the Lord your God to the test'' We have been given a miracle, it is called the vaccine it might not be quite 100% effective but it has saved so many lives. So many anti vaxxers have died of covid and yet still I'm seeing people holding on to the dangerous lies that are being spread by Satan's agents.
 
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You know it's funny how so many anti vaxxers seem to be filled with so much anger and hate. It's not happening the other way round despite people like me really feeling that we should all be vaccinated

Your missing an awful lot from your side then.

On this very forum, I posited a hypothetical situation in another thread in which an unvaccinated individual was a gunshot victim. This gunshot victim needed lifesaving care at an emergency room and one person posited that he shouldn't be treated at all since he was unvaccinated and another posited that he should be treated but if he was taking up ICU space that a vaccinated person needed the gunshot victim should be "thrown out of the hospital" rather than diverting the new vaccinated patient to a nearby hospital that had space.

It was Christians suggesting that the unvaccinated aren't worthy of medical care and compassion, not atheists.

It doesn't anger me... It sickens me that such evil rhetoric is coming out of the mouths of people who claim to follow Christ.

This sort of thing confuses me, this sort of hate against a small segment of society because of the level of evil on full display. More and more this makes me want to completely withdraw from everything a society likes this puts forward as good... Because their God and mine are clearly different God's.
 
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Your missing an awful lot from your side then.

On this very forum, I posited a hypothetical situation in another thread in which an unvaccinated individual was a gunshot victim. This gunshot victim needed lifesaving care at an emergency room and one person posited that he shouldn't be treated at all since he was unvaccinated and another posited that he should be treated but if he was taking up ICU space that a vaccinated person needed the gunshot victim should be "thrown out of the hospital" rather than diverting the new vaccinated patient to a nearby hospital that had space.

It was Christians suggesting that the unvaccinated aren't worthy of medical care and compassion, not atheists.

It doesn't anger me... It sickens me that such evil rhetoric is coming out of the mouths of people who claim to follow Christ.

This sort of thing confuses me, this sort of hate against a small segment of society because of the level of evil on full display. More and more this makes me want to completely withdraw from everything a society likes this puts forward as good... Because their God and mine are clearly different God's.


I was flabbergasted that anyone would suggest that there is no hate being aimed at the unvaccinated. One would have to be wearing a set of very narrow blinders to have missed all of it. I am fully vaccinated and boosted so I am not being defensive or oversensitive to criticism about something that applies to me. That being the case I can somewhat objectively conclude that, from what I have seen, the unvaccinated are being demonized and have become one of the few, if not the only, marginalized minority that it is socially acceptable to berate and legally permissible to discriminate against.
 
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You know it's funny how so many anti vaxxers seem to be filled with so much anger and hate.

??? Weren't you the one who implied I listened to "conspiracy theorists and quack doctors"? Yes. Weren't you the one who implied it was unChristlike not to be vaccinated? Yes. Aren't you the one slinging about the pejorative label of "anti-vaxxer"? Yes. Didn't you say I was into "conspiracy theories" as you once were? Yes. So, you've hardly been a model of grace and love, Job28, but, rather, quick to cast slurs, mischaracterizing badly those with whom you disagree.

I really feel like many of you are not walking with our Lord Jesus but are rather being blinded by Satan's lies that are designed to create division. I know a lot of you will say it is us vaccinated that are being mislead, however I'm not the one walking in fear.

See? More unpleasant gibes. "Blinded by Satan's lies," "not walking with our Lord Jesus"? Really? When did getting a medical procedure become a litmus test for spirituality? Wow.

So what are you afraid of if you believe in the Lord?

Exactly. So, why be vaccinated? My days are in His hands, not in the hands of Big Pharma and their crummy vaccines.

So why would God let this happen? Well maybe we should remember these words - ''You shall not put the Lord your God to the test'' We have been given a miracle, it is called the vaccine it might not be quite 100% effective but it has saved so many lives.

And it has taken lives, too, permanently injuring many others. In light of the fact that there is a 99%+ recovery rate from the Wuhan virus among healthy people under 60, these dangerous, weak vaccines are a fool's choice for such people.

So many anti vaxxers have died of covid and yet still I'm seeing people holding on to the dangerous lies that are being spread by Satan's agents.

*Sigh* You can lead a horse to water...
 
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Your missing an awful lot from your side then.

On this very forum, I posited a hypothetical situation in another thread in which an unvaccinated individual was a gunshot victim. This gunshot victim needed lifesaving care at an emergency room and one person posited that he shouldn't be treated at all since he was unvaccinated and another posited that he should be treated but if he was taking up ICU space that a vaccinated person needed the gunshot victim should be "thrown out of the hospital" rather than diverting the new vaccinated patient to a nearby hospital that had space.

It was Christians suggesting that the unvaccinated aren't worthy of medical care and compassion, not atheists.

It doesn't anger me... It sickens me that such evil rhetoric is coming out of the mouths of people who claim to follow Christ.

This sort of thing confuses me, this sort of hate against a small segment of society because of the level of evil on full display. More and more this makes me want to completely withdraw from everything a society likes this puts forward as good... Because their God and mine are clearly different God's.

And what of this evil form anti vaxxers? sickening behaviour. Anti-vaxxers storm Covid testing centre during ‘freedom’ rally in Milton Keynes
and this anti vaxxer who stormed the test centre seems very pleased with herself as she leaves with equipment she steals from the test centre. We have a nice clear picture of her face so hopefully she will be locked up in prison soon, it should give her time to reflect on her stupid and senseless actions.
Cops hunt anti-vaxx thug who stormed Covid test site & took key equipment
 
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Can we please drop the subject of who is the most insulting poster and focus on this issue of the thread title itself? My answer is that the split over covid response is nothing new. There were very similar divisions a hundred years ago during the terrible outbreak of what was erroneously labelled the "Spanish Flu". There were riots in San Francisco over mask mandates. Of course we didn't have vaccines for flu back then, but there was lots of political controversy over whether to hold the 1918 Thanksgiving Day parades in various towns. As for why there is a split, it always happens when needs arise that require compliance by all. It happened during the drafts of World War II and Vietnam. It happened when people of Arkansas were required to allow nine black children to attend the all-white Little Rock Central High School in 1957. It would be quite unusual indeed if this pandemic elicited universal acceptance by the population of the policies decided upon by their leaders.
 
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And what of this evil form anti vaxxers? sickening behaviour. Anti-vaxxers storm Covid testing centre during ‘freedom’ rally in Milton Keynes
and this anti vaxxer who stormed the test centre seems very pleased with herself as she leaves with equipment she steals from the test centre. We have a nice clear picture of her face so hopefully she will be locked up in prison soon, it should give her time to reflect on her stupid and senseless actions.
Cops hunt anti-vaxx thug who stormed Covid test site & took key equipment

You point out what, a dozen or so people in one country committing a crime as proof that people who aren't vaccinated are some kind of threat?

The thing is, no one who doesn't want to be vaccinated is claiming that the destruction of private property should be made legal.

I can't say the same for those promoting the vaccine. Right now it's illegal to throw anyone in need of lifesaving medical care out of a hospital, for any reason. Yet, we have Christians on this very forum calling for just such a thing to be legal if that person isn't vaccinated.

The provaccine advocates are decidedly going backwards in the hopes they can legally discriminate against those it doesn't agree with - even if it costs people their lives, their income or their future.

The only thing people who don't want the vaccine want from society is to be allowed to make their own medical choices without hate or discrimination against them. You know, like it used to be.
 
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I personally think there are some anti vaxxers on this forum who are claiming to be Christians when they are not. They just enjoy being devisive. You can do what you want for me but don't try to twist things to look like it is you the anti vaxxers that are being hard done by. If you acted in a resposible manner and didn't get peoples backs up maybe they would be a little more understanding. Most countries are not forcing the vaacine on people so I don't know why you are all spouting your venom. Stop trying to force your conspiritorial beliefs on people. You are a minority that is trying to force your opinions on the majority and when people don't listen to what you have to say, you go and do the kind of stuff which I posted in the link to in a previous post. This just gets peoples back up, you are not innocent in your behaviour and BTW I'm not saying that this is all anti vaxxers but enough to be an annoyance. Like I say if you don't want the vaacine well fine, just stop trying to convert people to your way of thinking because this is what is happening more and more, angry anti vaxxers calling us sheep because we chose to protect ourselves and others and keep our hospitals from being overrun. OVER AND OUT end of argument, i'm done with this rubbish now. Everything that needs to be said has been said the argument is going nowhere.
 
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I personally think there are some anti vaxxers on this forum who are claiming to be Christians when they are not. They just enjoy being devisive. You can do what you want for me but don't try to twist things to look like it is you the anti vaxxers that are being hard done by. If you acted in a resposible manner and didn't get peoples backs up maybe they would be a little more understanding. Most countries are not forcing the vaacine on people so I don't know why you are all spouting your venom. Stop trying to force your conspiritorial beliefs on people. You are a minority that is trying to force your opinions on the majority and when people don't listen to what you have to say, you go and do the kind of stuff which I posted in the link to in a previous post. This just gets peoples back up, you are not innocent in your behaviour and BTW I'm not saying that this is all anti vaxxers but enough to be an annoyance. Like I say if you don't want the vaacine well fine, just stop trying to convert people to your way of thinking because this is what is happening more and more, angry anti vaxxers calling us sheep because we chose to protect ourselves and others and keep our hospitals from being overrun. OVER AND OUT end of argument, i'm done with this rubbish now. Everything that needs to be said has been said the argument is going nowhere.
 
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Ephesians 6:12

''For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.''

2 Corinthians 11:14

''And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light''

Ephesians 6:11

''Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes''
 
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So let this post be please a safe place to express your reservations about being vaccinated or not.

husband, teen, and I were vaccinated yet we still mask/distance

other vaccinated relatives do not mask & two got covid

I believe masks/distance do help
teen starts back to school today/masks are not required
she is choosing to wearing one
 
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