My Big Bang Challenge

VirOptimus said:

But when somone says that the KJV is word perfect then it leaves no opening for anything else than wine.

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I think this is a fitting article: Biblical Wine vs. Modern Wine - A Poised Perspective

inquiring mind said:

I think this is a fitting article: Biblical Wine vs. Modern Wine - A Poised Perspective

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As a self-confessed wine snob, I already know the history of wine and also why it was alcoholic in biblical times.

VirOptimus said:

As a self-confessed wine snob, I already know the history of wine and also why it was alcoholic in biblical times.

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And anyone that understand wine at all also understands why the wine in Jesus's wedding miracle was definitely alcoholic as well.

inquiring mind said:

And, a wet crow never flies at night.

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???
what?

AV1611VET said:

You'll do the same with the facts I posted in Post 188 too, won't you?

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Nope.

inquiring mind said:

I think this is a fitting article: Biblical Wine vs. Modern Wine - A Poised Perspective

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That article is a literal an advertisement for a particular brand of wine. I hope you got some samples, because the writer is certainly getting paid.

It's also misleading about really easy things to look up facts. Only fortified wine like sherry or port gets up to 20%.

As an analogy, I guess I'm not strictly lying if I said I make in between 50 and 100k a year, even if I never made more than 80k... it's still technically in between those numbers.

Actually I take that back: "The majority of wine you may find at restaurants, vineyards, or on the shelves of your liquor or grocery stores is on upwards of 20% or more alcohol content." is just a lie.

It's mostly between 12 and 16%.

If your only source for a fact is something trying to sell you a product marketing it on it's distinction to the norm, check their claims.

AV1611VET said:

But apparently you don't know the non-alcoholic wine.

Perhaps you weren't taught that in academia.

Cannabis can be either THC or non-THC.

And by non-THC, I mean not enough to be illegal.

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Non-alcoholic wine is a modern thing.

AV1611VET said:

Post 217 please.

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Yes, its already refuted. Wine in biblical times was alcoholic.

And if it really was grape juice, then why doesnt it say so? The bible litteraly says wine, or are this a figurative myth?

AV1611VET said:

And around and around we go.

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Well, its just because you cant answer the questions.

AV1611VET said:

And around and around we go.

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To fully understand the Wedding at Cana story one needs to have imbibed of wine at least a few times. And not just a glass or two, but enough to get at least slightly snockered. There are verses that make no sense at all if it was non-alcoholic wine, but make perfect sense if they were drinking real wine.

Subduction Zone said:

To fully understand the Wedding at Cana story one needs to have imbibed of wine at least a few times. And not just a glass or two, but enough to get at least slightly snockered. There are verses that make no sense at all if it was non-alcoholic wine, but make perfect sense if they were drinking real wine.

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But you see, AV dont like alcohol and thats why Jesus cant like it either in his faith.

VirOptimus said:

But you see, AV dont like alcohol and thats why Jesus cant like it either in his faith.

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I figure that AV and I should spend a night bar hopping. Using Uber of course. So that he can achieve a first hand understanding of John 2 10.

Shemjaza said:

That article is a literal an advertisement for a particular brand of wine. I hope you got some samples, because the writer is certainly getting paid.

It's also misleading about really easy things to look up facts. Only fortified wine like sherry or port gets up to 20%.

As an analogy, I guess I'm not strictly lying if I said I make in between 50 and 100k a year, even if I never made more than 80k... it's still technically in between those numbers.

Actually I take that back: "The majority of wine you may find at restaurants, vineyards, or on the shelves of your liquor or grocery stores is on upwards of 20% or more alcohol content." is just a lie.

It's mostly between 12 and 16%.

If your only source for a fact is something trying to sell you a product marketing it on it's distinction to the norm, check their claims.

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VirOptimus said:

Yes, its already refuted. Wine in biblical times was alcoholic.

And if it really was grape juice, then why doesnt it say so? The bible litteraly says wine, or are this a figurative myth?

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This is not about wine throughout the bible or present day wine ads (the info there was quoted from a book on the subject though); it's about the wine Jesus made from water. Some people's interpretation is that Jesus wouldn't have made strong alcoholic wine, the strength of wine and what was called wine appears to have varied then, and so, I respect their interpretation. I have no doubt the wine Noah consumed was alcoholic.

inquiring mind said:

This is not about wine throughout the bible or present day wine ads (the info there was quoted from a book on the subject though); it's about the wine Jesus made from water. Some people's interpretation is that Jesus wouldn't have made strong alcoholic wine, the strength of wine and what was called wine appears to have varied then, and so, I respect their interpretation. I have no doubt the wine Noah consumed was alcoholic.

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The story in John pretty much tells you that it was alcoholic wine. Do you drink at all?

Subduction Zone said:

The story in John pretty much tells you that it was alcoholic wine. Do you drink at all?

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I don't like to answer questions like that, but I don't hold it against anyone who does do it in moderation.

inquiring mind said:

I don't like to answer questions like that, but I don't hold it against anyone who does do it in moderation.

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I would wonder what you meant by "moderation". The consuming of alcohol in the Cana story would probably have been beyond "moderate".

There are two ways of looking at in moderation. Is it a moderate amount on a regular basis, or is the occasional spree considered "moderate" too. The wedding sounds like it would qualify as the occasional spree. It has been quite a few years since I had a "spree". But I do not mind a glass or two of wine with dinner. Or better yet, when it comes to beer I am allergic to the hops and am limited to the "it was just two beersh oshifcer" that we use to hear all of the time on "COPS". I start to have breathing problems after that and for some strange reason I prefer to breathe.

The only connection I can see between the Big Bang Theory and wine is this ......