Discussion Benny Hinn's Errors?

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I mostly appreciate Benny Hinn's works. But I find these faults.
Benny will not lay on hands to pray for the new birth.
Benny would ask for offerings promising it was seed money.
Benny got his daughter married to the wrong young man and it was based in part on wealth, it lead to a break up. If I am not mistaken.
Benny put his ministry ahead of his marriage, an error noble decision, it lead to a term of divorce.
Benny prayed for a young lady in Sydney to be healed from deafness, and she was tested hearing, she was told to throw away her hearing aids. Some weeks later I sat behind her at church, and she was wearing hearing aids.
I am not sure about this but Benny and Randy Clark are friends, Benny does not endorse Todd Bentley but Randy does seem to.
Benny notably did not endorse Frank Houston before the scandal but his friends Randy and also John Arnott did conferences at his church.
 

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I fail to see the point of this. Why do you care?
Do you feel I am being needlessly critical of Benny?

I am an idealist.

We have the ability to learn from the mistakes of others.
 
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I mostly appreciate Benny Hinn's works. But I find these faults.
Benny will not lay on hands to pray for the new birth.
Benny would ask for offerings promising it was seed money.
Benny got his daughter married to the wrong young man and it was based in part on wealth, it lead to a break up. If I am not mistaken.
Benny put his ministry ahead of his marriage, an error noble decision, it lead to a term of divorce.
Benny prayed for a young lady in Sydney to be healed from deafness, and she was tested hearing, she was told to throw away her hearing aids. Some weeks later I sat behind her at church, and she was wearing hearing aids.
I am not sure about this but Benny and Randy Clark are friends, Benny does not endorse Todd Bentley but Randy does seem to.
Benny notably did not endorse Frank Houston before the scandal but his friends Randy and also John Arnott did conferences at his church.
He is an excellent example of what is wrong with having a showman impersonate a minister on television.
 
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Tell us about your ministry and how it has taken what you observed about Benny’s and made it more productive and Christ centered.

Start with how many you personally have laid hand on for Salvation. Be sure to include information on your finances and family members along with individuals you have prayed for weeks later.

Certainly you live by the standards you mention for him.
 
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Do you feel I am being needlessly critical of Benny?

I am an idealist.

We have the ability to learn from the mistakes of others.
This is NOT how that works. Not remotely.
 
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I fail to see the point of this. Why do you care?

This is NOT how that works. Not remotely.
That is a lot of empty negative non-commentary.

He said what he believed. If you have something to say, you should spit it out and stop “mumbling” in the corner.
(That is just basic “politeness”.)

Then HOW DOES IT WORK?
 
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That is a lot of empty negative non-commentary.

He said what he believed. If you have something to say, you should spit it out and stop “mumbling” in the corner.
(That is just basic “politeness”.)

Then HOW DOES IT WORK?
The irony of you invoking basic politeness in a post like this. This post reveals a whole lot about your motives here, and it isn't good.

You want to learn from Benny's mistakes? Then you need to learn from Benny or someone very close to the situation, otherwise it's just plain gossip. You don't know the details of his divorce, you only know what's been said publicly. A whole lot more goes into a multi decade marriage than a handful of public comments & observations. Same is true of all the other things you pointed out.

Not to mention the entire thing is very vague. You mention endorsing Todd Bentley, the implication seems to be that is a bad thing, but that is not entirely clear, nor why it is a bad thing. Perhaps you should just spit it out and stop "mumbling" about others in the corner.
 
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I mostly appreciate Benny Hinn's works. But I find these faults.
Benny will not lay on hands to pray for the new birth.
Benny would ask for offerings promising it was seed money.
Benny got his daughter married to the wrong young man and it was based in part on wealth, it lead to a break up. If I am not mistaken.
Benny put his ministry ahead of his marriage, an error noble decision, it lead to a term of divorce.
Benny prayed for a young lady in Sydney to be healed from deafness, and she was tested hearing, she was told to throw away her hearing aids. Some weeks later I sat behind her at church, and she was wearing hearing aids.
I am not sure about this but Benny and Randy Clark are friends, Benny does not endorse Todd Bentley but Randy does seem to.
Benny notably did not endorse Frank Houston before the scandal but his friends Randy and also John Arnott did conferences at his church.

Laying hands on people for salvation??? That's a new one.

Why post such things in this forum? You know it will just bring outside opinions into it to the point where some of those folks will have to be reported cause they don't know our ruleset here.
 
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See that first one, yea that's the one people are going to use against you if you start badmouthing Mr. Hinn on this forum (like some already have). I would go back over your posts you made and delete them.
 
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I mostly appreciate Benny Hinn's works. But I find these faults.
Benny will not lay on hands to pray for the new birth.
Benny would ask for offerings promising it was seed money.
Benny got his daughter married to the wrong young man and it was based in part on wealth, it lead to a break up. If I am not mistaken.
Benny put his ministry ahead of his marriage, an error noble decision, it lead to a term of divorce.
Benny prayed for a young lady in Sydney to be healed from deafness, and she was tested hearing, she was told to throw away her hearing aids. Some weeks later I sat behind her at church, and she was wearing hearing aids.
I am not sure about this but Benny and Randy Clark are friends, Benny does not endorse Todd Bentley but Randy does seem to.
Benny notably did not endorse Frank Houston before the scandal but his friends Randy and also John Arnott did conferences at his church.
If you've been exposed to the sayings of Jesus from the first three gospels recently: It is possible that the wealth focus of the genre of christianity Ben Hinnom belongs to is leading to your mind needing to reconcile logical inconsistencies.

As far as being too critical, things just are what they are. Where you choose to remain and abide is entirely up to you.
 
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The irony of you invoking basic politeness in a post like this. This post reveals a whole lot about your motives here, and it isn't good.

You want to learn from Benny's mistakes? Then you need to learn from Benny or someone very close to the situation, otherwise it's just plain gossip. You don't know the details of his divorce, you only know what's been said publicly. A whole lot more goes into a multi decade marriage than a handful of public comments & observations. Same is true of all the other things you pointed out.

Not to mention the entire thing is very vague. You mention endorsing Todd Bentley, the implication seems to be that is a bad thing, but that is not entirely clear, nor why it is a bad thing. Perhaps you should just spit it out and stop "mumbling" about others in the corner.
That was more of a proper response.

First, a ‘point of clarification’:
Your use of pronouns is confusing. They imply that I have said SOMETHING about Benny Hinn, when the fact of the matter is that I have said NOTHING AT ALL about Benny Hinn (I did not create the OP).

Second, you question my motives here. My motives are really very simple: I believe that someone that goes through the effort to create a topic and state their position deserves a legitimate response. If someone disagrees, they should tell them why they disagree. Your statement “This is NOT how that works. Not remotely.” seemed dismissive to a poster that deserved an explanation of how it does work rather than a quick brush off. My motive was to exhort an honest response.

Third, to your points concerning the actual issues raised about Benny Hinn in the OP (avoid gossip and avoid ‘guilt by association’), I completely agree with you. The OP was not condemning Benny Hinn based on “facts established by two or three reliable witnesses” as the Bible tells us.

A final point, I have no opinion of Benny Hinn. His style of showmanship does not appeal to me, but neither does a High Mass. That is a matter of personal preference and does not make either Benny Hinn or the High Mass “bad” or “evil”. It just makes them both “unenjoyable” to me. Which means that one should not expect to see me at either any time soon and my opinion about how they worship is irrelevant.

My only opinion about “Divorce”, in general, is that it is never a blessed event worthy of celebration, but neither is it the “unpardonable sin” (as some treat it). If Mr. Hinn was divorced, then he has my sympathy and I offer my prayers for his healing. It must have been a difficult time in his life and I hope he leaned on God to get him through it.

My opinion about Salvation (one of the criticisms in the OP) is that “Jesus saves” … we do not. So Benny Hinn CANNOT be “saving” people “wrong”.
 
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That was more of a proper response.

First, a ‘point of clarification’:
Your use of pronouns is confusing. They imply that I have said SOMETHING about Benny Hinn, when the fact of the matter is that I have said NOTHING AT ALL about Benny Hinn (I did not create the OP).

Second, you question my motives here. My motives are really very simple: I believe that someone that goes through the effort to create a topic and state their position deserves a legitimate response. If someone disagrees, they should tell them why they disagree. Your statement “This is NOT how that works. Not remotely.” seemed dismissive to a poster that deserved an explanation of how it does work rather than a quick brush off. My motive was to exhort an honest response.

Third, to your points concerning the actual issues raised about Benny Hinn in the OP (avoid gossip and avoid ‘guilt by association’), I completely agree with you. The OP was not condemning Benny Hinn based on “facts established by two or three reliable witnesses” as the Bible tells us.

A final point, I have no opinion of Benny Hinn. His style of showmanship does not appeal to me, but neither does a High Mass. That is a matter of personal preference and does not make either Benny Hinn or the High Mass “bad” or “evil”. It just makes them both “unenjoyable” to me. Which means that one should not expect to see me at either any time soon and my opinion about how they worship is irrelevant.

My only opinion about “Divorce”, in general, is that it is never a blessed event worthy of celebration, but neither is it the “unpardonable sin” (as some treat it). If Mr. Hinn was divorced, then he has my sympathy and I offer my prayers for his healing. It must have been a difficult time in his life and I hope he leaned on God to get him through it.

My opinion about Salvation (one of the criticisms in the OP) is that “Jesus saves” … we do not. So Benny Hinn CANNOT be “saving” people “wrong”.
Ah, you are correct, I was corresponding with the original poster and you replied to that conversation and I didn't catch that you were a different person.

In response to your points. My original question was just as it seems at face value, I wasn't sure where the OP was going or what the intent was (I had my suspicions, but it wasn't clear) so I wasn't going to go into more detail until I knew for sure. After that I wasn't going to waste my time if the entire point was to just trash on a minister. Like you I'm not a fan of Benny Hinn's style nor some of the things he's done, but I'm less of a fan of unnecessary division and accusation in the Body of Christ and as has been stated already it is not in line with the forum guidelines.
 
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Tell us about your ministry and how it has taken what you observed about Benny’s and made it more productive and Christ centered.

Start with how many you personally have laid hand on for Salvation. Be sure to include information on your finances and family members along with individuals you have prayed for weeks later.

Certainly you live by the standards you mention for him.
I don't yet have a ministry.
I was laid hands on for salvation, and others were around me waiting or ahead of me.
Benny has apologized for some of the ways he asked for money.
I admire Benny for his closeness to the Spirit of God, I hope to have more of this in the near future. I have the book, Good morning Holy Spirit.
 
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Ah, you are correct, I was corresponding with the original poster and you replied to that conversation and I didn't catch that you were a different person.

In response to your points. My original question was just as it seems at face value, I wasn't sure where the OP was going or what the intent was (I had my suspicions, but it wasn't clear) so I wasn't going to go into more detail until I knew for sure. After that I wasn't going to waste my time if the entire point was to just trash on a minister. Like you I'm not a fan of Benny Hinn's style nor some of the things he's done, but I'm less of a fan of unnecessary division and accusation in the Body of Christ and as has been stated already it is not in line with the forum guidelines.
From a liking for Benny Hinn and his ministry, I just put out what I thought were some mistakes he made.
 
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Ah, you are correct, I was corresponding with the original poster and you replied to that conversation and I didn't catch that you were a different person.

In response to your points. My original question was just as it seems at face value, I wasn't sure where the OP was going or what the intent was (I had my suspicions, but it wasn't clear) so I wasn't going to go into more detail until I knew for sure. After that I wasn't going to waste my time if the entire point was to just trash on a minister. Like you I'm not a fan of Benny Hinn's style nor some of the things he's done, but I'm less of a fan of unnecessary division and accusation in the Body of Christ and as has been stated already it is not in line with the forum guidelines.
I don't want to create division.
 
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The irony of you invoking basic politeness in a post like this. This post reveals a whole lot about your motives here, and it isn't good.

You want to learn from Benny's mistakes? Then you need to learn from Benny or someone very close to the situation, otherwise it's just plain gossip. You don't know the details of his divorce, you only know what's been said publicly. A whole lot more goes into a multi decade marriage than a handful of public comments & observations. Same is true of all the other things you pointed out.

Not to mention the entire thing is very vague. You mention endorsing Todd Bentley, the implication seems to be that is a bad thing, but that is not entirely clear, nor why it is a bad thing. Perhaps you should just spit it out and stop "mumbling" about others in the corner.
I think it would be better if regarding Todd Bentley that Benny and Randy discussed the issue in like a Q and A.
 
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See that first one, yea that's the one people are going to use against you if you start badmouthing Mr. Hinn on this forum (like some already have). I would go back over your posts you made and delete them.
I can edit out an inflammatory phrase. Does the ruling mean criticism is impossible?
 
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