Examples of Modern Apostles and Prophets?

Peter J Barban · Dec 20, 2021

I don't consider them prophets and recommend they humble themselves and get another ministry/job.

That includes one that I personally handed money to (at my wife's request) a few years ago.

jiminpa · Dec 22, 2021

Guojing said:
Those that prophesied that Donald Trump would be re-elected, are they still considered true prophets now?

Bad example, since the validity of the 2020 U.S. election is questionable.

jiminpa · Dec 22, 2021

Guojing said:
Those that prophesied that Donald Trump would be re-elected, are they still considered true prophets now?

Was Jonah a true prophet?

Guojing · Dec 22, 2021

jiminpa said:
Bad example, since the validity of the 2020 U.S. election is questionable.

Oh so do you belong to the group who believe that "spiritually" Donald Trump is the US president?

Peter J Barban · Dec 22, 2021

Guojing said:
Oh so do you belong to the group who believe that "spiritually" Donald Trump is the US president?

I believe that Trump was cheated out of the presidency, but I can't prove it. Even so, Trump did not win the 2020 presidency, and anyone who prophesied that he would was wrong.

jiminpa · Dec 22, 2021

Peter J Barban said:
I believe that Trump was cheated out of the presidency, but I can't prove it. Even so, Trump did not win the 2020 presidency, and anyone who prophesied that he would was wrong.

He possibly won the election, but wasn't instated.

Peter J Barban · Dec 22, 2021

jiminpa said:
He possibly won the election, but wasn't instated.

Sadly, only the Electoral College votes can elect the president. Trump didn't win that most important contest.

Peter J Barban · Dec 22, 2021

jiminpa said:
Was Jonah a true prophet?

Jonah was not only a true prophet, he was the only successful one.

God wanted the people to repent and they did!
(Just another way the Bible taunts the stiff-necked Jews.)

jiminpa · Dec 22, 2021

Peter J Barban said:
Sadly, only the Electoral College votes can elect the president. Trump didn't win that most important contest.

But if the electors were selected by fraud, (and I live in one of the states with precincts with more votes than voters in every major election), he still won the election, but was not installed as president.

Peter J Barban · Dec 22, 2021

jiminpa said:
But if the electors were selected by fraud, (and I live in one of the states with precincts with more votes than voters in every major election), he still won the election, but was not installed as president.

I wish you were right, but even if Biden was fraudulently elected by the Electoral College, Trump was never elected by the Electoral College. So annulling the Electoral College would not give us Trump, it would give us Pelosi. Arrgh!

There was talk of this Electoral Controversy between November and January, but Pence and other Republican leaders decided that path was bad for the country and their careers. I think though regrettable, they were right.

It turns out that the people who count the votes are really important and not interested in transparency.

If I knew of prophets who foretold all this, I'd be sending them money and praying for them.

jiminpa · Dec 23, 2021

Peter J Barban said:
I wish you were right, but even if Biden was fraudulently elected by the Electoral College, Trump was never elected by the Electoral College. So annulling the Electoral College would not give us Trump, it would give us Pelosi. Arrgh!

There was talk of this Electoral Controversy between November and January, but Pence and other Republican leaders decided that path was bad for the country and their careers. I think though regrettable, they were right.

It turns out that the people who count the votes are really important and not interested in transparency.

If I knew of prophets who foretold all this, I'd be sending them money and praying for them.

But I was addressing those who prophesied Trump's win as false prophets. Arguably, Trump won the election.

What to do about a fraudulent election in the U.S. is another story. The only thing good that giving the sham credibility did was illuminate the complete cowardice of the American male, (me included).

Guojing · Dec 23, 2021

jiminpa said:
But I was addressing those who prophesied Trump's win as false prophets. Arguably, Trump won the election.

I am curious, how do you end up believing "Trump won the election"?

jiminpa · Dec 23, 2021

Guojing said:
I am curious, how do you end up believing "Trump won the election"?

Because some precincts had more votes than voters. They didn't even hide the ballot stuffing in other places. They just sent the observers home and backed the trucks, with thousands of Biden votes, up in the middle of the night, just like they said they were going to do. Then the "news" told us we didn't see what we saw, and that only crazy, delusional, radicals saw what was done in plain sight.

atpollard · Jan 2, 2022

ARBITER01 said:
It would be quite refreshing to see someone actually moving in the power and strength of GOD instead of these "believe my words" type folks.

Would it make an actual difference?

Jesus “moving in the power and strength of GOD” while he walked the earth pre-Crucifixion (and post) failed to change MOST of the people.

In some ways, Holy Spirit accomplished more with the speech of Peter in Acts 2. The words of God spoken by men to a heart “pierced” by the Holy Spirit … “accomplishes much” (to mix scriptural metaphors).

ARBITER01 · Jan 2, 2022

atpollard said:
Would it make an actual difference?

Jesus “moving in the power and strength of GOD” while he walked the earth pre-Crucifixion (and post) failed to change MOST of the people.

In some ways, Holy Spirit accomplished more with the speech of Peter in Acts 2. The words of God spoken by men to a heart “pierced” by the Holy Spirit … “accomplishes much” (to mix scriptural metaphors).

Isn't that what is suppose to happen?...

Joh 14:12 Truly, truly, I say to you the one believing into Me, the works which I do, that one shall do also, and greater than these he will do, because I am going to My Father.

lismore · Jan 2, 2022

jiminpa said:
Because some precincts had more votes than voters.

There is some measure of fraud in every election. But in this case was there enough to change the election result? That's the question. God Bless

tturt · Jan 5, 2022

False prophets intentionally lead people away from God. (Matt 24:11, 24; II Pet 2:1). It's not when the word is in error - Deu 18:22

"Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." I Thess 5:20-21
Darby states "but prove all things, hold fast the right;".

To the extent you can, dont you 'prove" every teaching - sermon you hear?

jiminpa · Jan 5, 2022

lismore said:
There is some measure of fraud in every election. But in this case was there enough to change the election result? That's the question. God Bless

Probably. There was enough in my home state, Pennsylvania, to swing it, and all of its electoral votes. All they needed was 2 more "swing" states, and there are significant discrepancies in Arizona and Georgia, sufficient to warrant a real investigation, which will not happen.

jiminpa · Jan 5, 2022

lismore said:
There is some measure of fraud in every election. But in this case was there enough to change the election result? That's the question. God Bless

"Everybody does it," is not sufficient reason to turn a blind eye.

God's standard is more than a bit higher than that.

lismore · Jan 5, 2022

jiminpa said:
"Everybody does it," is not sufficient reason to turn a blind eye.

God's standard is more than a bit higher than that.

. We can't turn any sort of eye.
If the courts don't think there was significant fraud then it's game over.

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