The Unvaccinated should be given lowest priority in hospitals
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Let me help you with your reading comprehension deficiencies . The article indicates: The mandate is in question it was blocked by the Fifth Circuit and the blocking was affirmed on appeal at the Fifth Circuit. Then the 6th Circuit upheld the mandate for injections by a two to one decision. The case is now on the way to the U.S. Supreme Court for a final decision and the Court has issued a temporary order pending a full review based on the fact that the federal government exceed its authority under the Commerce Clause and violated the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. the article also points out Foolish RT from WH chief of staff. He said the quiet part out loud.
Biden admin knows it’s likely illegal (like the eviction moratorium) but they don’t care. https://t.co/AlfmYtuvhp— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) September 10, 2021
It should be obvious to almost anyone that this issue is far from being settled and has yet to reach a final decision of the Court, consequently it is in doubt. It is also obvious that people who cannot support their beliefs and find them threatened by the facts resort to insults and personal attacks against the people who dare to point out the obvious incongruence of their assumptions and conclusions.
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I don't recall any parts of ACA that claimed they would make healthcare "more plentiful".
By their own stated mission:
Resources (including human resources) are still finite. No law it going to magically create new beds, equipment, and doctors & nurses out of thin air, and I don't think anyone was suggesting that it would.
Now, to clarify, I had plenty of criticisms of ACA and wasn't a huge fan and thought that the implementation was lacking.
But, that aside, I don't think ACA can be blamed for any of the resource shortages.
A) Nobody is psychic. Nobody crafting the bill back in 2010 could've predicted "Hey, in 10 years, we'll have a global pandemic, and despite having an effective preventative measure to reduce severe outcomes, 30% of the population will refuse to take it due to taking medical advice from podcasters instead of Medical professionals, and that will lead to massive demand in hospitals"
B) I don't see any straight line that can be drawn from the Biden Administration to vaccine refusal.
I've heard the argument that "If people like Biden, Harris, & co. didn't spread doubt about the vaccine in late 2020 due to them not wanting Trump to be able to claim success for it leading up to the election, then more people would have more confidence in it"
But that argument is pretty weak on its face. As the majority of vaccine holdouts are republicans, it's not as if the republicans refusing the vaccine now were looking to Biden and Harris as some sort of thought leaders back in October 2020. Pretty sure they disliked them and disregarded them just as much then as they do now.
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There are only so many resources. When there is more demand than supply choices have to be made as to who gets those resources. Same goes with organ transplants. Choices can play a role in who gets life-saving organ transplants. Now is that the ONLY factor no but it does ( and should) play a role in who gets a transplant You pay for your choices. Again, I am NOT saying that anyone should be denied a bed if there are plenty of beds, BUT when there are limited resources and choices must be made people's choices should play a role. Same goes for even car accidents If there is a bad accident and there are say four people hurt, but two of them are likely to die no matter what the medics are not going to waste resources on those two they are going to go to the people who have the best chance of making it with treatment.
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Nah I don't buy that. And I'm vaccinated. Yeah I do understand it most certainly can tick people off people can be taking beds up which can be due to negligence. It'd grieve me too that a loved one of mine would be turned away for a necessary treatment of something else, I get that. I just don't think it's a place we should want to go picking and choosing who get's to live or die. Still seems to me first one getting a bed gets taken care of. You also have to consider why stop with covid issues.
Why not throw people out of the beds who are there for other negligent things they've done, drinking and driving, actually speaking of driving race car driving, mountain climbers, obese people who have weight related afflictions. Point is human beings make dumb mistakes and get themselves in trouble. By picking and choosing you open up a Pandora's box of a great many other injustices too. Like some rich person's family's member guilty of the same negligence well they get a free ticket and get taken care of so then it becomes a caste, social élite thing too. Best to stay with Look if a person needs help and are near death and there in a bed you take care of them
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Again, it is not that they deserve to die it is that when when there are so many resources and choices have to made as to who will get the resources then things like choices should play a role.
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the difference with co-vid is the sheer number of people who need treatment at one time.
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Most of what you bring up has been addressed multiple times by me and others in this thread already.
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Do fat people pass on their obesity to unsuspecting others? Do smokers? Second hand smoke does not appear to be a serious problem anymore. Today's smokers only tend to pollute themselves. Antivaxxers are a big part of the problem of why the disease is still here. Well at least until Omicron and when we have a vaccine for that, in a couple of months or so if needed, then the antivaxxers will not even have that excuse.
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You arguably have a point. If we are going to in any way hold back on treatment for anti-vaxxers, then we should likewise "punish" overeaters, drinkers, and smokers.
I believe there is compelling evidence that anti-vaxxers really are a problem:
Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, pointed out that the newest and most dangerous variant spread most rapidly through unvaccinated populations.
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Except the overdrinkers, overeaters, and smokers are not part of the problem. They did not fill up the hospital due to their refusing a simple and effective fix. You are in effect saying that if the hospitals are overrun that smokers, the obese, etc. should pay for the "sins" of the antivaxxers. How does that make sense?
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It's sad, so many people are brained washed against the vaccination. Especially in the Right-wing older people. And the poor. I'm guessing a lot of these people are needing the hospital. I can't imagine saying sorry go home and die to anyone. But sadly, people are dying. Because people aren't getting their COVID-19 vac. Also, Americans are pretty un-health. Especially the right-wing crowd and the poor. That's why I encourage healthy eating at schools. And teaching healthy eating and exercise. I do remember the right-wing being against that, when Michelle Obama encouraged healthy eating at school. All Trump had to do, is improve things. But that's not what Republicans wanted.
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It is funny that people complain about that, but yet many hospitals require the flu vaccine. Moreover, states and private businesses ( hospitals included are free to make their own rules about employment as long as it is not concerning a protected class and vaccination status is not a protected class. Businesses are also given a lot of leeway when it comes to approving waivers for the vaccine ( especially on grounds of religion if they feel that an employee is abusing that loophole to get out of the vaccine they can tell them just like the military that the waiver is not approved and the employee can either get the vaccine or leave. The employee better keep in mind though that in most states whether they quit or are fired over that choice they will not be able to collect unemployment benefits because it is treated the same as if they were fired for any other form of misconduct or quit on their own accord for any other reason. There is not but one state that does not allow private businesses to mandate vaccines and that is one of the least populated states (MT)
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I guess yes that would be how it would be (although again that is unlikely to be an issue if there are still plenty of resources like beds.
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Maybe if the nurses had gotten vaccinated and listened to the actual experts on the subject, they wouldn't have been fired.
Furthermore, maybe if a subset of society stopped pretending that anti-vaccine CNA's and LPN's opinions on matters as complex as immunology were 'qualified opinions' (simply because it gives them the chance to say "see, I found this healthcare worker that agrees with me!"), a productive conversation about the matter could be had.
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