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"After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God." 1Peter 3:19-21a NIV (my emphasis).

The meaning is clear: the reference is symbolic, but it's clear that water baptism saves you. (according to whoever wrote 1 Peter)
 
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"After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God." 1Peter 3:19-21a NIV (my emphasis).

The meaning is clear: the reference is symbolic, but it's clear that water baptism saves you. (according to whoever wrote 1 Peter)
No 1 Peter is not talking about water baptism

The "one baptism" must be the saving baptism spoken of by Peter and Jesus. So, if we say that water was meant in that verse then we would have to add water baptism for salvation, which the scripture does not teach. The gospel has no mention of adding water to it ( read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

we read of the saving baptism in 1 peter 3:21;

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"(1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

Notice that the saving baptism is not a putting away of the filth of the flesh (or an outward washing with water) but it is an inward work and a the response to the inquiery of a good conscience.

The conscience cannot be clean, or perfect or good by outward ordinances or shadows. But only by the inward work of the resurrected Lord and as we are risen with him to the newness of life. Then we have the witness in ourselves and a good conscience

consider some scripture here

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"(Hebrews 9:9-14 KJV)

The figure of the 8 souls saved in the ark is a type of believers being baptized into Christ and raised up with him into the new life raised above the water into the heavens and into rest in Christ
 
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Non1 Peter is not talking about water baptism

The "one baptism" must be the saving baptism spoken of by Peter and Jesus. So, if we say that water was meant in that verse then we would have to add water baptism for salvation, which the scripture does not teach. The gospel has no mention of adding water to it ( read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

we read of the saving baptism in 1 peter 3:21;

"The like figure whereunto evenbaptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"(1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

Notice that the saving baptism is not a putting away of the filth of the flesh (or an outward washing with water) but it is an inward work and a the response to the inquiery of a good conscience.

The conscience cannot be clean, or perfect or good by outward ordinances or shadows. But only by the inward work of the resurrected Lord and as we are risen with him to the newness of life. Then we have the witness in ourselves and a good conscience

consider some scripture here

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"(Hebrews 9:9-14 KJV)

The figure of the 8 souls saved in the ark is a type of believers being baptized into Christ and raised up with him into the new life raised above the water into the heavens and into rest in Christ

You can quote the KJV, then re-interpret it in modern English to mean what you want, but I prefer to read Scripture in the language that you and I and everyone else uses. Clearly 1 Peter 3:21 is referring to water baptism.

You then jump over to Hebrews and recommend reading 1 Corinthians (both in archaic Englyshe) to prove your erroneous interpretation. I strongly recommend using a modern translation that uses the language that we all use to understand what the Bible actually says.
 
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You can quote the KJV, then re-interpret it in modern English to mean what you want, but I prefer to read Scripture in the language that you and I and everyone else uses. Clearly 1 Peter 3:21 is referring to water baptism.

You then jump over to Hebrews and recommend reading 1 Corinthians (both in archaic Englyshe) to prove your erroneous interpretation. I strongly recommend using a modern translation that uses the language that we all use to understand what the Bible actually says.
Your wrong the KJV is the Bible to be used today. But that’s a 45 hour talk maybe another time but many have already given good post on this.

I was showing that 1 Peter is talking about a inward reality where we have salvation by being baptized into Christ similar how they were in the ark (a type of being in Christ) lifted up into the heavens . Peter says the saving baptism is not the putting away of the filth of the fresh . Meaning that it is not an outward washing with water. But it is the answer of a good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This response or answer of a good conscience is key here. . The conscience cannot be clean or perfect by outward baptisms only by inward washing and in spirit. I showed Hebrews 9 to prove this. This speaks of the conscience not being made perfect by divers washings (baptismos in Greek) or carnal ordinances but by the blood of Christ through the eternal Spirit.
This is the connection to what Peter is saying, not water baptism I believe.
 
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You're hoping to change the subject then?
No, the subject is the same being that of salvation. Here is some more info I wrote about this.

Mark 16:16 “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved”

Jesus tells us that two things are needed to be saved, “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” Mark 16, 15, 16. We see first, what is offered to men, is the gospel. This gospel is defined in 1 Cor 15:1-4 as Paul showed, and this gospel is the death burrial and resurrection of Jesus Christ according to the scriptures. When anyone believes this gospel and is baptized they shall be SAVED. We must therefore define what the baptism is here, because this is of vital importance.

When I speak of “the gospel”, I speak of that truth which men have had revealed to them and to those who have heard the history of Jesus death, burrial and resurrection that was preached to them, or that they have read about. I am not speaking of the OT saints and their salvation, and those who never hear the historical gospel of Jesus Christ death, burrial and resurrection.

In the gospel, the righteousness of God is revealed, (Romans 3:22,23) this righteousness has been witness in the Old Testament Law and the Prophets. All men also have the true Light of Christ (John 1:9) that shines in the heart to show the Light of the glorious gospel of Christ and the hope of the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:4-7, Colossians 1:23, &vs ). Jesus also said that men are blessed when they hunger and thirst after righteousness (Matthew 5:6). This righteousness is Christ and his work for them in time and in their hearts. We read of the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life through the righteousness of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:15,18).

So all men have some way that God can reach them though Christ Jesus, (Acts 17:26-28, Romans 1:17-20 Romans 2:14-16, John 3:19-21) though there was no salvation without the work of Jesus Christ in time., Yet men were saved in the old testament still by grace through faith. But this discussion is for another proposition, to much information to get into at this time and would take us off the present issue of the saving baptism.

One thing we know about the gospel Paul preached, is that he did not add water baptism to it 1 Cor 15:1-4. Therefore, this baptism spoken of by Jesus in Mark 16:16 must be something other than water baptism. To be saved we must believe and be baptized as Jesus said. This baptism he speaks of, is spoken of as the baptism into Christ (Galatians 3:27) and this takes place at new birth, this is how we are saved by His grace. Gods grace has been shown on the cross without us and his grace is given to us and in us through faith, “For by grace are ye saved through faith.” Ephesians 2:8). Grace being God’s working in us by his free gift and favour, and His Spirit, this saves us through faith.

This two fold aspect of believe” and “be baptised” to be saved, is identical to being saved by “faith” and “grace”. This is revealed in many types in the Old Testament, one being the water crossings of Moses and Joshua.

In the story of Moses in Exodus we read , “And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD” Exodus 13;14, and this shows God’s work for us without us on the cross and we cannot save ourselves, they were told to stand still, no works which we have done. The work is of God for us. We must simply believe. This is similar to the bronze serpent on the pole, all those who were bit had to simply look unto the serpent on the pole and believe. Then an inward change was done and they were healed, and the sickness was gone. It was not works on their part, but by their faith. Then God did the inward work.by his grace.

In the Joshua crossing through the Jordan river we see the Ark of the covenant going in first and then the 12 stones taken and put into the river and then 12 stones taken out of the river and Joshua went with them into the land and to seek to defeat all the enemies. This is a type of the death burial and resurrection that we have with Christ, as the 12 stones went down into the Jordan river and 12 stones were taken up into the new land, typifying death burial and resurrection. The word Jordan meaning place of death descending? Joshua then goes with the people into the new land and to defeat all the enemies. This is similar to Christ in us and his work in us and as we walk in the spirit in the kingdom of God in our hearts by his grace. But these two fold aspects are needed, the faith part Gods work for us through Christ on the cross, no works but faith, and and the baptism into Christ part, the grace we enter into at new birth by faith.

So in Mark 16:16, the believing part is by faith, and the baptism part is by the grace of God at the new birth by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We see this two fold aspect many times in scripture. For example Paul says in Romans ,” Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” Romans 5:1,2. By faith we believe and are justified, and by grace are we saved and born again, and we enter into this grace by that faith being made a new creation in Christ and have God working in us, this is how we put on Christ.

So when Paul says, “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body” 1 Cor 12:13 , and “For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ “ Galatians 3:27. This baptism is how we are saved and brought into Christ, this is a reality is all believers through continual faith. And as Paul said, “Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; “ Romans 4:16. The grace here is Gods work in our lives and this is the new life in Christ.

The believing part, or the faith part, is that which makes reconciliation possible between God and man. The baptism part, or the grace part, is Gods working in us at the new birth by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, “For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.”Romans 5:10. His life is that unmerited favour to us, and so it is by grace are ye saved through faith. We enter into that power inwardly as well, for we read, that we are crucified with Christ (verse) buried with him) and risen with him.

So truly if a man says he believes (or has faith) and is not baptized into Christ ( or entered into the grace , grace being the divine influence and working of God and His spirit in our lives and all his favour unmerited to us), he does not have saving faith or the true baptism.. To say I have faith and not new birth is not salvation,. But to those who receive the gospel and truly believe they will then be baptized into Christ and have a new life and shall be saved by his life. Some may dunk under water and never be saved or have the saving baptism into Christ, but ALL those who truly believe the gospel, will be baptized into Christ by one Spirit (1 Cor 12:13) .

So as Jesus said in Mark 16:16, “he that believes and is baptize shall be saved”, this again is not talking about water baptism, but rather the baptism into Christ and how, by faith we enter into the grace wherein we stand. The new birth is by the word of God the engrafted word which is able to save our souls. This is how we are born again and this word of God is the free gift given to men through the righteousness of Christ on the cross. And this is the word by which the gospel is preached
 
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No, the subject is the same being that of salvation. Here is some more info I wrote about this.

Mark 16:16 “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved”

Jesus tells us that two things are needed to be saved,..
But being saved (or having the assurance of salvation) wasn't what we were discussing. It was about baptism.

When anyone believes this gospel and is baptized they shall be SAVED. We must therefore define what the baptism is here, because this is of vital importance...
This two fold aspect of believe” and “be baptised” to be saved, is identical to being saved by “faith” and “grace”. This is revealed in many types in the Old Testament, one being the water crossings of Moses and Joshua.
In my view (and that of most Christian churches) you've simply misunderstood Paul. There is no way to make the various references to baptisms being performed that we find in the New Testament be understood as just somebody having a brainstorm or new spiritual insights, completely unrelated to the physical act that is sacramental baptism. So, it's too bad that we cannot come to agreement, but it looks like that won't happen.
 
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But being saved (or having the assurance of salvation) wasn't what we were discussing. It was about baptism.


In my view (and that of most Christian churches) you've simply misunderstood Paul. There is no way to make the various references to baptisms being performed that we find in the New Testament be understood as just somebody having a brainstorm or new spiritual insights, completely unrelated to the physical act that is sacramental baptism. So, it's too bad that we cannot come to agreement, but it looks like that won't happen.
As I showed before , the word baptism does not mean just water baptism. Scripture is clear in this truth. But to make baptism only water baptism misses the spiritual dimension and the other baptisms.

baptism into Christ and salvation are connected.
 
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As I showed before , the word baptism does not mean just water baptism.
Yeah, it does. All other references to "baptism" in Scripture are called that as a comparison to actual baptism, what you call "water baptism."

It's like calling something a "baptism of fire" these days. When that is said, it doesn't mean there literally IS a religious initiation in which the candidate walks on hot coals or something like that. No, the phrase simply means that whatever he went through was like sacramental baptism for being the experience that started him on some path, etc or initiated him into something. It's an analogy.

Besides, you have argued that the word baptism means immersion. It does...and also can mean to dip or wash or several other actions involving water!!

So now you are arguing that there are some other actions or events that don't even use water! Everything about what Christ showed us in his own baptism, what he commanded his Apostles to go and do, and what the New Testament describes several famous converts doing as a result of having confessed Christ...have been turned into just a figurative references.
 
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Yeah, it does. All other references to "baptism" in Scripture are called that as a comparison to actual baptism, what you call "water baptism."

It's like calling something a "baptism of fire" these days. When that is said, it doesn't mean there literally IS a religious initiation in which the candidate walks on hot coals or something like that. No, the phrase simply means that whatever he went through was like sacramental baptism for being the experience that started him on some path, etc or initiated him into something. It's an analogy.

Besides, you have argued that the word baptism means immersion. It does...and also can mean to dip or wash or several other actions involving water!!

So now you are arguing that there are some other actions or events that don't even use water! Everything about what Christ showed us in his own baptism, what he commanded his Apostles to go and do, and what the New Testament describes several famous converts doing as a result of having confessed Christ...have been turned into just a figurative references.
Immersion doesn’t only mean water believers are immersed into Christ as well
 
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Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).

Hebrews 6:2
English Standard Version
2 and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Common English Bible
Chapter Parallel
Hebrews 6:2 (CEB) of teaching about ritual ways to wash with water, laying on of hands, the resurrection from the dead, and eternal judgment—all over again.

The Message Bible
Hebrews 6:2 (MSG) baptismal instructions; laying on of hands; resurrection of the dead; eternal judgment.

New American Standard Bible
Hebrews 6:2 (NAS) of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.

New International Reader's Version
Hebrews 6:2 (NIRV) They taught us about different kinds of baptism. They taught us about placing hands on people. They taught us that people will rise from the dead. They taught us that God will judge everyone. And they taught us that what he decides will last forever.

New International Version
Hebrews 6:2 (NIV) instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Hebrews 9:10
They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

I am looking at possibilities. 1.) The different modes of baptism in the Didache. 2.) places where baptism of the Spirit and other types are used in a figurative sense.
 
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The other four items are qualitative genitives with διδαχην (βαπτισμων, επιθεσεως χειρων, αναστασεως νεκρων, κριματος αιωνιου). The plural βαπτισμων "by itself does not mean specifically Christian baptism either in this epistle (Hebrews 9:10) or elsewhere (Mark 7:4), but ablutions or immersions such as the mystery religions and the Jewish cultus required for initiates, proselytes, and worshippers in general" (Moffatt). The disciples of the Baptist had disputes with the Jews over purification (John 3:25). See also Acts 19:2. "The laying on of hands" seems to us out of place in a list of elementary principles, but it was common as a sign of blessing (Matthew 19:13), of healing (Mark 7:32), in the choice of the Seven (Acts 6:6), in the bestowal of the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:17; Acts 19:6), in separation for a special task (Acts 13:3), in ordination (1 Timothy 4:14; 1 Timothy 5:22; 2 Timothy 1:6). Prayer accompanied this laying on of the hands as a symbol. The resurrection of the dead (both just and unjust, John 5:29; Acts 24:15) is easily seen to be basal (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:0) as well as eternal judgment (timeless and endless).
Hebrews 6 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org
 
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Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).

Hebrews 6:2
English Standard Version
2 and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Common English Bible
Chapter Parallel
Hebrews 6:2 (CEB) of teaching about ritual ways to wash with water, laying on of hands, the resurrection from the dead, and eternal judgment—all over again.

The Message Bible
Hebrews 6:2 (MSG) baptismal instructions; laying on of hands; resurrection of the dead; eternal judgment.

New American Standard Bible
Hebrews 6:2 (NAS) of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.

New International Reader's Version
Hebrews 6:2 (NIRV) They taught us about different kinds of baptism. They taught us about placing hands on people. They taught us that people will rise from the dead. They taught us that God will judge everyone. And they taught us that what he decides will last forever.

New International Version
Hebrews 6:2 (NIV) instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Hebrews 9:10
They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

I am looking at possibilities. 1.) The different modes of baptism in the Didache. 2.) places where baptism of the Spirit and other types are used in a figurative sense.
I am aware of these things but much of this has nothing to do with scripture.
Johns water baptism was of the OT types and shadows that was to be done away. It was similar to the diverse washings and carnal ordinances imposed on Israel until the time of reformation, (Hebrews9)

Hebrews 9: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

God bless
 
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I think we should value each person's input.
We should encourage discussion that is true .and consider each persons input. However some things are not according to scripture and the truth in the Spirit.

We are also told in scripture to charge some that they teach no other doctrine. And to hold fast the form of sound words.

God bless
 
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Yeah, it does. All other references to "baptism" in Scripture are called that as a comparison to actual baptism, what you call "water baptism."

It's like calling something a "baptism of fire" these days. When that is said, it doesn't mean there literally IS a religious initiation in which the candidate walks on hot coals or something like that. No, the phrase simply means that whatever he went through was like sacramental baptism for being the experience that started him on some path, etc or initiated him into something. It's an analogy.

Besides, you have argued that the word baptism means immersion. It does...and also can mean to dip or wash or several other actions involving water!!

So now you are arguing that there are some other actions or events that don't even use water! Everything about what Christ showed us in his own baptism, what he commanded his Apostles to go and do, and what the New Testament describes several famous converts doing as a result of having confessed Christ...have been turned into just a figurative references.
Every water dunking was figurative just as circumcision was figurative and animal sacrifices and all other “diverse washings and carnal ordinances imposed on them until the time of reformation” (Hebrews 9) .

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body. This is into the body of Christ. As many as have been baptized into Christ (not water) have put on Christ. This is the reality of being immersed into Christ.
Aussie Jesus was not baptized for sin he did so to manifest himself to Israel and fulfill all righteousness, which only he could do.
 
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Every water dunking was figurative.....

That strange theory is completely at odds with the testimony of the New Testament and there is no evidence to the contrary. Therefore, this issue is not worth debating further.
 
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That strange theory is completely at odds with the testimony of the New Testament and there is no evidence to the contrary. Therefore, this issue is not worth debating further.
Proof is here

Hebrews 9: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation”(Hebrews 9:9,10)
 
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Yeh, it does.
All baptisms in scripture are NOT water baptism as I showed in previous text

but here is another proof

Matthew 3: 11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”


And

Acts 1: 5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
 
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That strange theory is completely at odds with the testimony of the New Testament and there is no evidence to the contrary. Therefore, this issue is not worth debating further.
What I teach is not a strange theory it is all seen in scripture as I have been showing, and it is harder to maintain a man made tradition as many have about water baptism today and the added words men put to scripture to make it fit.

sone follow traditions that are at odds with scripture
 
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