Is the Bible a World History Book?

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When you read the Word of God do how do you view it? Is it all real history? Is it all allegory? Or is it a mix of both? Do you even know where history begins and allegory ends?

According to etymonline.com this is the etym- ("truth") + -ology ("study of") of history:

history (n.)
late 14c., "relation of incidents" (true or false), from Old French estoire, estorie "story; chronicle, history" (12c., Modern French histoire), from Latin historia "narrative of past events, account, tale, story," from Greek historia "a learning or knowing by inquiry; an account of one's inquiries; knowledge, account, historical account, record, narrative," from historein "be witness or expert; give testimony, recount; find out, search, inquire," and histōr "knowing, expert; witness," both ultimately from PIE *wid-tor-, from root *weid- "to see," hence "to know."

So we see history is more than a dry retelling of dates and events but, an inquiry as to How does one actually know what they know? When we are at social gatherings and meet new people we always ask them: So how do you know each other? or How do you know the bride? Where are you from? etc. It is from these inquiries that we begin to piece together the person's "story" or history. The same thing is done by doctors, thereapists, psyschologists, mechanics, scientists, engineers, bakers, fisherman, construction workers, and just people from all walks of life. So when a stranger, family, or friend asks you:

How do you know Jesus exsted and is a real person?


How do you respond to them? As they probe you further do you become intimdated? Are you confused? Are you impatient? Do you reply in an irritated or angry tone? Sadly many believers take their faith for granted and, when questions come which they do not know how to properly reply to they falter or respond in the wrong way. And if we review the story of Adam and Eve how did that conversation go with the Serpent?

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’ ” The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings."
Genesis 3:1‭-‬7

Here we see that Adam and Eve committed a huge flaw by not checking their sources properly, nor seeing if the Serpent was qualified to speak truly about what he claimed. Instead of asking him whether he ate of the Tree of Knowledge they instead got lost and caught up in the benefits of the forbidden fruit that they ultimately failed to go back to God and ask Him to tell them the true story.

Now for those who simply view this event as allegory will not care much for it and shrug it off as not being "real history". To those who view the Bible in such a way I ask:

If the story of Adam and Eve isn't the true history and origins of mankind and the world, then I ask you upon what histories do you base your conclusion on? And are they more ancient than Egypt and Bablyon? If so then where are your written records and archaeological finds? And where are the histories of later people confirming you primary and secondary sources?

Failing to understand the true history of the world and mankind means that we will not know why we exist at present, nor will we know where we are headed in the future.
 
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The Bible is no more a history textbook than it is an astronomical guide, and I still like what Galileo said. "The Bible tells us how to get to heaven, not how the heavens go." The same is true of history.
 
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The Bible is no more a history textbook than it is an astronomical guide, and I still like what Galileo said. "The Bible tells us how to get to heaven, not how the heavens go." The same is true of history.
So did God create the world and everything in it or no?
 
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The parts of the bible written as history are history. Some parts are clearly not history. For example, the Proverbs are words of wisdom and truth, but are not history. The Psalms contain prophecy and praise and truth, but are not all history.
 
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From talking to other Messianics, I did not get the impression that the position of the OP was a Messianic standard.
Rather that it was a dividing line between OEC & YEC (both inside and outside the Messianic church).

(Am I incorrect on that point?)

From the SOP:

*Congregational Rules: Do not teach or debate in any Congregational Forum unless you are truly a member and share its core beliefs and teachings. Questions and fellowship are allowed, proselytizing is not.
 
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It is more than history, poetry, morality, laws,
and parables, it is also pointing to the future.

Academic secular liberals view/interpret history to suite their social agenda.
They believe its up to them and scientific technology to save mankind.
Romans 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools,






 
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It is more than history, poetry, morality, laws, and parables, it is also pointing to the future.
While it contains more than a history of the world, we need a reliable world history book which is true: and the Word of God is that book.

While we are so used to separating our books into various genres the Bible doesn't do this, but instead informs us that it is a book which truthfully tells how long the world and everything in it will exist. All the other things you brought up is what we would expect to come from a book which boldly claims to be the Word of God. If only more people understood that the Word of God will outlast all world empires...why this book has survived the rise and fall of six of them:

1) Egypt
2) Assyria
3) Babylon
4) Medo-Persia
5) Greece
6) Rome

Since the Bible has outlasted these powerful empires then we can rest assured that it is not from man but from God, and in it is contained a true history of the world and mankind from the beginning to the end.
 
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Its historical & biographical narratives are history.
Its transcendent narratives must be taken by faith.

The parts of the bible written as history are history. Some parts are clearly not history. For example, the Proverbs are words of wisdom and truth, but are not history. The Psalms contain prophecy and praise and truth, but are not all history.
Not sure if you guys pay attention to the headings and subject lines in some of the books that the authors themselves wrote, but they actually help us mark the point in history when these were penned:
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These were clearly penned by king Solomon along with two oracles. And the fact that king Hezekiah gathered some of the proverbs laid up by Solomon means they were in the royal archives where they were officially recorded by the scribes. And we read that the seers or Prophets of Israel also had their own histories and prophecies recorded in the official archives:

"His prayer also and how God was entreated by him, and all his sin, his unfaithfulness, and the sites on which he built high places and erected the Asherim and the carved images, before he humbled himself, behold, they are written in the records of the Hozai."
2 Chronicles 33:19 NASB1995

The word Hozai in Hebrew means "seer" which is the one who would usually keep the official records.

As for the Psalms of David and Korah...
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It is clear from these handful that while they were praises and songs: they were all considered a matter of history and laid up with the chronicles, histories, and prophecies in the royal archives.

And we also see that the songs sung by the priests served more than praise and thanksgiving:

”Moreover, David and the commanders of the army set apart for the service some of the sons of Asaph and of Heman and of Jeduthun, who were to prophesy with lyres, harps and cymbals; and the number of those who performed their service was: Of the sons of Asaph: Zaccur, Joseph, Nethaniah and Asharelah; the sons of Asaph were under the direction of Asaph, who prophesied under the direction of the king. Of Jeduthun, the sons of Jeduthun: Gedaliah, Zeri, Jeshaiah, Shimei, Hashabiah and Mattithiah, six, under the direction of their father Jeduthun with the harp, who prophesied in giving thanks and praising the Lord."
1 Chronicles 25:1‭-‬3 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

And we see that Korah (the same who rebelled against Moses) also has some of his songs saved which were sung by his sons (i.e. descendants).

This is why it is important to know the Bible well and to read it carefully, and why we are not to treat it like regular literature. For in it is contained the truth of the world and man, Christ, and the End of the World, which is replaced by the new and eternal world promised by God for all who believe in Him and His Son to dwell in with them for eternity.
 
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Reminder: Please keep the posts on the topic of the Bible as a world history book. :)

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