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As I said, I distinguished between the Body of Christ and Israel, while you do not.

The Body of Christ will be taken up pre-trib.

During the Trib for Israel, many Jews and gentiles will also believe in Jesus, and they will be saved thru the nation Israel.

Those are teachings from men, and not from God's Word.

Many, many Israelites are members of Christ's Church, probably a majority of them, since the ten scattered tribes ("house of Israel") migrated to the west and fulfilled the "multitude of nations" prophecy in Genesis 48 about Ephraim. Quite a few are Jewish converts to Christ also, of the "house of Judah".

And in Luke 21, Jesus said for those of us in the countries to not enter into Jerusalem when the "abomination of desolation" idol is setup there. You think that too means only Jewish Christians in the countries?
 
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Sure I believe that Jeremiah 30 Scripture, and several others like it in the Old Testament prophets. I even believe what Jesus told His Apostles that they each would sit upon 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel in His future Kingdom!

I even believe that God will remove the blindness from The Gospel that He put upon the unbelieving Jews on the day of Christ's return, like Apostle Paul showed at the end of Romans 11.

But I do not believe what you inferred about the coming tribulation being something that the body of Christ will not go through, or any idea that the trib is meant for Israel only.

You obviously don't realize who all makes up Christ's Church. It probably has as many Israelite members as it does Gentile members. So what's that about? because to fit your theory that the tribulation is meant for Israel only, then is that part of the body of Christ with a heritage from Israel going to be left behind or something?

No, of course not, because Christ's Church is not going anywhere until Jesus returns AFTER... the "great tribulation" to gather His Church. That is when He showed the gathering of His saints will be, immediately after... the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27).

So when I ask you "Do you consider yourself a descendant of Jacob?"

Is your answer yes or no?
 
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As I said, I distinguished between the Body of Christ and Israel, while you do not.
My support is what Paul wrote:

Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

And he also wrote this:

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Because of these 2 verses, I feel very comfortable with my view. I cannot see why anyone sees a distinction between any group of believers.

The Body of Christ will be taken up pre-trib.
I would need to see a clear verse before I can believe that.

What I do see in Scripture are multiple verses that speak of a single resurrection for the saved and a single resurrection for the unsaved.

Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

This verse shows there is A resurrection for the saved and A resurrection for the unsaved.

1 Cor 15:23 is very clear that "those who belong to Him" (all believers) will be resurrected when He comes (Second Advent).

Luke 14:14 - and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.” Here, Jesus was clear that there will be one resurrection for the saved.

During the Trib for Israel, many Jews and gentiles will also believe in Jesus, and they will be saved thru the nation Israel.
So then, you must believe that there are several separate resurrections of saved people.

I think you've got a problem defending that idea, given the verses just quoted.
 
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So when I ask you "Do you consider yourself a descendant of Jacob?"

Is your answer yes or no?

It is... possible, but I don't claim to be. I more strongly assume that I am a Gentile.

But the matter I speak of concerning Christ's Church and scattered Israel, that is actual Bible prophecy. So I don't have to be one of the 'seed' of Israel to understand that. I only have to pray and listen to God in His Word by The Holy Spirit through His Son Jesus Christ.

If you study your Old Testament along with The New Testament, which Apostle Peter admonished us to be mindful of God's OT prophets, then you might understand what happened to old Israel, and how God used the ten northern tribes to establish The Gospel along with believing Gentiles, mainly in the Christian west.

So those who infer that the Old Testament Books are all fulfilled, or old history, actually don't know what they're talking about. There's still much Bible prophecy in them, which is why Peter said what he did in 2 Peter 3:2.

A Summary:
1. Because of Solomon allowing his many wives to bring their idols in among Israel, God after warning Solomon about it split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, but He waited to do in the time of Solomon's son Rehoboam (1 Kings 11).

2. When Solomon's son Rehoboam was getting ready to be made king of Israel, Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim was in Egypt and heard about it, and the northern tribes sent for Jeroboam. He came with Israel (northern tribes) to Rehoboam and asked him to ease his father Solomon's burden he put upon the ten northern tribes. Rehoboam refused, so Israel left the south returned back to the northern lands, and rejected Rehoboam and the house of David (1 Kings 12).

3. God sent His prophet Ahijah to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim, and tore Jeroboam's new coat he had on into 12 pieces, and gave Jeroboam 10 pieces, and said...

1 Kings 11:30-33
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
31 And he said to Jeroboam, "Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, 'Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel)
33 Because that they have forsaken Me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in My ways, to do that which is right in Mine eyes, and to keep My statutes and My judgments, as did David his father.'"
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4. Rehoboam of the tribe of Judah, and house of David, started to gather the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, to invade the north to bring the kingdom of Israel back. But God through His prophet Shemaiah told Rehoboam, king of Judah, that this split was of Him, and to not invade the northern ten tribes to try and bring the kingdom back (1 Kings 12:21-24).

5. The ten northern tribes of Israel thus became the "kingdom of Israel" under Jeroboam, king of Israel, of the tribe of Ephraim. There was none that followed Rehoboam of the house of David but the tribe of Judah only (1 Kings 12:20).

6. Jeroboam, king of Israel over the northern ten tribes, surmised that Judah's kingdom would be augmented when the northern tribes went south to Jerusalem to worship, a requirement for all Israelites in that time. So Jeroboam setup two golden calf idols in the north, and told the ten tribes "behold thy gods, O Israel which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt," (1 Kings 12:26-30). Jeroboam also made common priests of the people, causing the Levites in the north to not be able to perform their duty there, so the Levites went south and joined with Judah at Jerusalem-Judea and Rehoboam (2 Chronicles 11:13-15).

7. Also because of Jeroboam's calf idol worship in the north, a remnant of the northern ten tribes also left Jeroboam and the kingdom of Israel, and joined with the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi in the southern kingdom of Judah (2 Chronicles 11:16-17).

8. The southern kingdom under Solomon's son Rehoboam, king of Judah, then became known as the "kingdom of Judah" (2 Chronicles 11:17). Other names the southern kingdom would be known by are "the house of Judah", just "Judah" or just the name "Jerusalem". This kingdom was made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the ten tribes from the north.

9. The northern kingdom under Jeroboam, of the tribe of Ephraim, and as "king of Israel", was made up of the northern ten tribes of Ephraim (as head), Simeon, Gad, Naphtali, Zebulun, Manasseh, Dan, Asher, Reuben, and Issachar. This became known as the "kingdom of Israel". Other names for this northern ten tribe kingdom under Jeroboam were the "house of Israel", or "Samaria" (its capital city in the north), or just "Ephraim", and even as "Joseph", or just the name "Israel" by itself. Thus without marking these titles used after God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, the Bible student will not realize who certain prophecies afterwards are about. For example: not all prophecy about the "house of Israel" after the split involves the southern kingdom of Judah.

10. Per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), those of the "kingdom of Judah" in the south used the title of 'Jew'. And all that lived in the southern kingdom of Judah in Judea took that name Jew, including foreigner converts. That title did not apply to any of the ten tribe northern "kingdom of Israel".

11. The two separate kingdoms had war against each other (1 Kings 14:30).

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12. After a while, God got tired of the northern kingdom still allowing Jeroboam's two gold calf idols in the north, so He sent the kings of Assyria upon the ten northern tribes, in stages, and removed all the ten tribes out of the holy land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes (2 Kings 17). Only the southern "kingdom of Judah" in the south was left.

13. The Book of Hosea is about God's ending the northern "kingdom of Israel", and removing them out of the holy land. God through Hosea showed He would given the ten tribes their fullness of false Baal worship they loved, and they would loose their heritage as part of Israel, and loose knowledge of God's feast days, new moons, etc. Then after a while, they would seek to return to their old lands because they recognize they had it better there, but God said He hedged up their paths so they wouldn't find their way back. God scattered them among the Gentiles like He warned the children of Israel back in Deuteronomy 4 and 28 for doing false worship. So God led the northern ten tribes into the 'wilderness', and there He would make them lay down safely, and He would take the names of Baali they called Him with out of their mouths, and they would then call Him "Ishi" (Husband), and give them a new covenant. This prophecy is all written in the Book of Hosea to the "house of Israel", the ten northern tribe kingdom after the 1 Kings 11 split.

14. After God removed the ten northern tribes by the king of Assyria, as was the kings of Assyria practice, they would remove a people from their lands, and then transplant other peoples in their place. So the king of Assyria removed Israel in the northern lands, and replaced the ten tribes with five peoples from Babylon who each brought their pagan god. These became the Samaritans of the Apostle's days. The Jews of the southern kingdom at Jerusalem-Judea wouldn't have anything to do with those Samaritans, because they were foreigners. Even Christ's Apostles questioned Him why He was speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4.

15. Then about 120 years after the northern ten tribes had been removed, the "house of Judah" kingdom in the south also fell into false worship, and God brought Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon upon them, and took them captive for seventy years to Babylon (time of Jeremiah and Daniel). These were the Jews only of the southern kingdom of Judah, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the ten tribes, and the rest foreigners that lived in Judea and took the name Jew also. This captivity did not involve the ten tribes at all, for they had already been removed by this time.

16. After seventy years, only a small remnant of the 3 tribe "house of Judah" returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city, walls, and the 2nd temple. The Books of Ezra and Nehemiah reveals the families that returned. These became known as 'Israel', because they were the only children of Israel left in the holy land that knew of their heritage from old Israel. The majority of the ten tribes would forget their heritage as the larger part of the children of Israel. To this day, the Jews represent only the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of ten tribes that left Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship. Thus the larger portion of the children of Israel is represented by the ten lost tribes, and are not known as Jews, which the title of Jew originates from the tribe of Judah (per Josephus).

17. The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) also said the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates in his day, and that they were a great number, too many to count. Beyond Euphrates is about their captivity by the kings of Assyria to northern parts of what we today call Iraq. They took on new customs and names, and most of them forgot their heritage.

18. Linguist professor of the University of Michigan in the 1930's, Leroy Waterman, translated one of the names from the ancient Assyrian tablets used for the ten tribes of Israel in their captivity. Waterman then revealed from those Assyrian tablets that name was linked to the Cimmerians (pronounced with a 'K', like Kimmerian).

19. Anthropology is the study of the histories of peoples, their migrations, culture, etc. This field of science well knows much about the Cimmerian tribes that migrated into Asia Minor and Europe, and became the main Caucasian peoples that formed the early western nations. The people called Scythians also were part of that larger group that also migrated westward from the east after them. Prof. Waterman's link of the ten tribes of Israel in Assyria with the Cimmerians reveals the mystery of where the majority of the ten lost tribes migrated to, i.e., to Asia Minor and Europe.

20. During the long treks of the Cimmerian tribes, they brought their Baal idol worship with them into Europe. Each Caucasian people there had their own version of Baal worship, just under different names. This was PRIOR to Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross. In Scandinavia their Baal gods were like Odin, Thor, etc. In ancient Rome it would be Jupiter, etc. In ancient Greece it would be Mars, etc. But when Jesus was rejected in Jerusalem by the Jews, The Gospel would then go to the ten scattered tribes mostly scattered to the West, and they would begin to put away their Baal gods, and accept The Gospel of Jesus Christ, along with the believing Gentiles (like God said in Hosea 2:14-18).

21. In Romans 9, Apostle Paul quoted to Gentile Roman believers on Jesus from the Book of Hosea, pointing to the ten lost tribes and Gentiles together as Christ's Church. The Book of Hosea was written specifically to the ten tribe "house of Israel" after the split in Rehoboam's day. So Paul quoting to Gentile Romans from it reveals the ten tribes scattered to the West among believing Gentiles.

22. The Scottish Declaration of Arbroath proclaims the Scott's heritage from Israel having migrated from the area of ancient Scythia and the Pillars of Hercules, and having dwelt for a long time in old Spain, and then coming there to Scotland with a king line. (see https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files...of-arbroath-transcription-and-translation.pdf)

23. II Esdras 13 in the Apocrypha declares how the ten tribes would migrate to new lands to keep their old ways, linked with a place called Arsareth, which Christopher Columbus interpreted to be the Americas. They actually migrated to Asia Minor and all Europe per the Cimmerian and Scythian migrations.

24. Thus once Jesus was rejected by the Jews in Jerusalem and crucified, The Gospel would be sent to the Gentiles AND... the children of Israel scattered to the western nations, and those western nations would accept The Gospel on national scales, Great Britain being the first to do so per history. Then from there they as ambassadors for Christ would go to the rest of the world with The Gospel of Jesus Christ. This event of history fulfilled the prophecy to Ephraim that his seed would become "a multitude of nations" (Genesis 48). Those multitude of nations represent the traditional Christian nations who first accepted Jesus Christ in their new lands.
 
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With respect, how does this history directly influence end times prophecy?

Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Gal 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

The Bible speaks directly about there being just one resurrection of the saved. And 1 Cor 15:23 refers to that resurrection. So it should be clear that "those who belong to Him" would refer to every saved person from Adam forward.

And Col 3:11 and Gal 3:28 clearly remove all spiritual/physical/ethnic/etc distinctions of the saved.

So why the big emphasis on Jews and Gentiles during the Tribulation?
 
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It is... possible, but I don't claim to be. I more strongly assume that I am a Gentile.

But the matter I speak of concerning Christ's Church and scattered Israel, that is actual Bible prophecy. So I don't have to be one of the 'seed' of Israel to understand that. I only have to pray and listen to God in His Word by The Holy Spirit through His Son Jesus Christ.

If you study your Old Testament along with The New Testament, which Apostle Peter admonished us to be mindful of God's OT prophets, then you might understand what happened to old Israel, and how God used the ten northern tribes to establish The Gospel along with believing Gentiles, mainly in the Christian west.

So those who infer that the Old Testament Books are all fulfilled, or old history, actually don't know what they're talking about. There's still much Bible prophecy in them, which is why Peter said what he did in 2 Peter 3:2.

A Summary:
1. Because of Solomon allowing his many wives to bring their idols in among Israel, God after warning Solomon about it split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, but He waited to do in the time of Solomon's son Rehoboam (1 Kings 11).

2. When Solomon's son Rehoboam was getting ready to be made king of Israel, Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim was in Egypt and heard about it, and the northern tribes sent for Jeroboam. He came with Israel (northern tribes) to Rehoboam and asked him to ease his father Solomon's burden he put upon the ten northern tribes. Rehoboam refused, so Israel left the south returned back to the northern lands, and rejected Rehoboam and the house of David (1 Kings 12).

3. God sent His prophet Ahijah to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim, and tore Jeroboam's new coat he had on into 12 pieces, and gave Jeroboam 10 pieces, and said...

1 Kings 11:30-33
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
31 And he said to Jeroboam, "Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, 'Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel)
33 Because that they have forsaken Me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in My ways, to do that which is right in Mine eyes, and to keep My statutes and My judgments, as did David his father.'"
KJV


4. Rehoboam of the tribe of Judah, and house of David, started to gather the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, to invade the north to bring the kingdom of Israel back. But God through His prophet Shemaiah told Rehoboam, king of Judah, that this split was of Him, and to not invade the northern ten tribes to try and bring the kingdom back (1 Kings 12:21-24).

5. The ten northern tribes of Israel thus became the "kingdom of Israel" under Jeroboam, king of Israel, of the tribe of Ephraim. There was none that followed Rehoboam of the house of David but the tribe of Judah only (1 Kings 12:20).

6. Jeroboam, king of Israel over the northern ten tribes, surmised that Judah's kingdom would be augmented when the northern tribes went south to Jerusalem to worship, a requirement for all Israelites in that time. So Jeroboam setup two golden calf idols in the north, and told the ten tribes "behold thy gods, O Israel which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt," (1 Kings 12:26-30). Jeroboam also made common priests of the people, causing the Levites in the north to not be able to perform their duty there, so the Levites went south and joined with Judah at Jerusalem-Judea and Rehoboam (2 Chronicles 11:13-15).

7. Also because of Jeroboam's calf idol worship in the north, a remnant of the northern ten tribes also left Jeroboam and the kingdom of Israel, and joined with the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi in the southern kingdom of Judah (2 Chronicles 11:16-17).

8. The southern kingdom under Solomon's son Rehoboam, king of Judah, then became known as the "kingdom of Judah" (2 Chronicles 11:17). Other names the southern kingdom would be known by are "the house of Judah", just "Judah" or just the name "Jerusalem". This kingdom was made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the ten tribes from the north.

9. The northern kingdom under Jeroboam, of the tribe of Ephraim, and as "king of Israel", was made up of the northern ten tribes of Ephraim (as head), Simeon, Gad, Naphtali, Zebulun, Manasseh, Dan, Asher, Reuben, and Issachar. This became known as the "kingdom of Israel". Other names for this northern ten tribe kingdom under Jeroboam were the "house of Israel", or "Samaria" (its capital city in the north), or just "Ephraim", and even as "Joseph", or just the name "Israel" by itself. Thus without marking these titles used after God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, the Bible student will not realize who certain prophecies afterwards are about. For example: not all prophecy about the "house of Israel" after the split involves the southern kingdom of Judah.

10. Per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), those of the "kingdom of Judah" in the south used the title of 'Jew'. And all that lived in the southern kingdom of Judah in Judea took that name Jew, including foreigner converts. That title did not apply to any of the ten tribe northern "kingdom of Israel".

11. The two separate kingdoms had war against each other (1 Kings 14:30).

(continued later)

So scripture said those 7 years will be a time of "Jacob's trouble".

Now, if you want to put yourself as part of Jacob too, and hence including yourself in there, I am certainly fine.

You asked me for the scripture, I have provided it. It is up to you how you want to interpret them.
 
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With respect, how does this history directly influence end times prophecy?

Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Gal 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

The Bible speaks directly about there being just one resurrection of the saved. And 1 Cor 15:23 refers to that resurrection. So it should be clear that "those who belong to Him" would refer to every saved person from Adam forward.

And Col 3:11 and Gal 3:28 clearly remove all spiritual/physical/ethnic/etc distinctions of the saved.

So why the big emphasis on Jews and Gentiles during the Tribulation?

People always misapply this passage.

In the Body of Christ, it is indeed correct, there is neither Jew nor gentile.

In Paul's letters in Romans to Philemon, whenever he talks about the Body of Christ, he is making that point.

That does not mean the nation Israel, found in non-Pauline letters, is permanently erased from God's plan. (Romans 11:1-3).

In Romans 11:1-3, do you notice Paul speak about:
  1. His people
  2. an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Obviously, his people refers to the nation of Israel, where there are only the physical descendants of Abraham, who are Israelites, are from one of the 12 tribes.

None of these bold terms apply to us in the Body of Christ.
 
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So scripture said those 7 years will be a time of "Jacob's trouble".
And that 7 year period is described in Revelation, which was written for the CHURCH.

See Rev 1:1-3 and 22:16.

Now, if you want to put yourself as part of Jacob too, and hence including yourself in there, I am certainly fine.
It is for everyone on the earth.
 
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People always misapply this passage.

In the Body of Christ, it is indeed correct, there is neither Jew nor gentile.

In Paul's letters in Romans to Philemon, whenever he talks about the Body of Christ, he is making that point.

That does not mean the nation Israel, found in non-Pauline letters, is permanently erased from God's plan. (Romans 11:1-3).
Of course not. Jesus returns at the Second Advent in Israel.

In Romans 11:1-3, do you notice Paul speak about:
  1. His people
  2. an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Obviously, his people refers to the nation of Israel, where there are only the physical descendants of Abraham, who are Israelites, are from one of the 12 tribes.

None of these bold terms apply to us in the Body of Christ.
It is clear from his writings that once a believer, ethnicity makes no difference.

When he appealed to Jews, it was as unbelievers, and he wanted them to believe.

Paul never addressed believing Jews any differently than believing Gentiles.
 
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Of course not. Jesus returns at the Second Advent in Israel.


It is clear from his writings that once a believer, ethnicity makes no difference.

When he appealed to Jews, it was as unbelievers, and he wanted them to believe.

Paul never addressed believing Jews any differently than believing Gentiles.

Do you regard yourself as a member of any of the 12 tribes of Israel?
 
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And that 7 year period is described in Revelation, which was written for the CHURCH.

See Rev 1:1-3 and 22:16.


It is for everyone on the earth.

You also consider yourself as a descendant from Jacob? Which tribe would you fall under?
 
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No and No.

So in God's eyes, there is still an entity called Israel, with 12 tribes. They have a future destiny with God.

When you use Col 3:11 earlier, Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Recognize that Paul is writing about the Body of Christ, not the entity called Israel.
 
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Because scripture call the Great Tribulation as "Jacob's trouble", as I already stated to Davy.
Revelation shows it is a world-wide issue. By the middle of Jacob's trouble, about 1/2 of the earth's population will be eliminated. Does that sound like a Jewish only problem?

Rev 6:8 - I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Rev 9:15 - And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

Let's do a little math. Suppose the population is 7.5 billion at the start of the GT, which is today's estimate.

7.5 X .333 = 2.5 billion killed.

7.5 - 2.5 = 5 billion left.

5 X .25 - 1.25 billion killed.

So, 2.5 + 1.25 = 3.75 billion killed in the GT.

That is one-half of the total population of 7.5 billion.
 
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So in God's eyes, there is still an entity called Israel, with 12 tribes. They have a future destiny with God.
I have no doubt.

When you use Col 3:11 earlier, Col 3:11 - Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Recognize that Paul is writing about the Body of Christ, not the entity called Israel.
Yes, all believers are the body of Christ. Identified as "those who belong to Him" in 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Shows that all believers will be in one resurrection, all together.
 
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I have no doubt.


Yes, all believers are the body of Christ. Identified as "those who belong to Him" in 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Shows that all believers will be in one resurrection, all together.

There will be believers during the Tribulation as well. But they will be saved thru the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 24:14 )
 
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