Well, there you go. I go by what the Bible says. Not what man says.
So, did you just ignore or actually read and then rejected the verses from Rev 6 that prove that people who have died are in heaven and screaming about revenge?
Excuse me, but the Bible doesn't say that. A complete person has a body. Read Gen 2:7 - Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Then read 1 Thess 5:23 - May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May
your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. That's what makes up a "compete person".
James 2:26 - As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
This is an incomplete person.
I'm not arguing for the word "immortal". I AM arguing that all souls created by God (that means all of them have a specific beginning point) will never die, as in cease to exist.
Do you believe that all unbelievers will eventually be annihilated?
It would be nice if you would include verses with citations when you make these claims.
It gives evidence to what you claim.
The only place I'm aware of from your claim is 1 Thess 4.
14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
This is the famous "rapture passage". However, notice that there is NO mention of Jesus taking these resurrected believers up to heaven.
But, beyond that, this is a description of the Second Advent, when Jesus returns to earth with ALL the believers who are already in heaven, to meet the living believers still on earth. The ones who have already died will receive their resurrection bodies before the living ones receive theirs.
Who is doing the talking here? The LORD is. He was making reference to the fact that Cain had killed his brother. He was using figurative language.
Right. That's generally where corpses end up.
None of this is relevant.
And you think they also sleep. When an unbeliever physically dies, what becomes of their soul? Do you know? Do you have any verses that support your claim?
In Gen 2:17, the literal Hebrew actually says "dying, you shall die". iow, the moment either human who eats of the forbidden fruit begins to die physically (dying over time) and "on that day" they will immediately die spiritually.
You seem to have no understanding that when God made man in their image, they created man with a body, soul and spirit. What's the difference between soul and spirit? They are related, obviously as Heb 4:12 notes.
When Jesus talked with the woman at the well in John 4, He told her that in order to worship God, one must worship "in spirit and in truth". He was telling her that proper worship requires a human spirit AND truth (God's rules for worship and belief).
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they were immediately separated from God, as their spirits died. They had no abilty to approach God. However, in grace, God approached them and, after passing judgment for their sin, solved their sin problem with the gospel, which they believed and were born again. iow, their human spirits were "made alive" (yeah, that's a Bible phrase, in Eph 2:5).
So, only believers, who are "born again" can properly worship God.
If you would only read the whole context, you will see that the subject matter is about God's discipline involving physical death. Otherwise, v.9 has no meaning: He follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws. That man is righteous; he will surely live, declares the Sovereign LORD.
Are you going to argue that those who live righteously will NEVER die? Good luck on that.
The Greek word translated "soul" means a living person.
Let me introduce you to heb 4:12 then. For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to
dividing soul and spirit,
joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
The author compares the immaterial (red words) with the material (blue words). However, there is more here than just that. Consider the joints and marrow. They are clearly related. How so? Where are the joints and where is the marrow?
Joints are between the bones, and marrow is in the bones. Both are related to bones.
In this verse, the author is making the point that the soul and spirit are related.
Adam was created with a body, soul and spirit, with which to be able to worship the Creator and have relationship with Him.
When Adam sinned, his spirit died, became non-functional. When man believes the gospel, the spirit is RE-generated, or born AGAIN, thus allowing the man to be able to worship the Creator and have relationship with Him.
So, Adam was created trichotomous, became dichotomous through sin. Upon regeneration, he became trichotomous again.
All people are born dichotomous; body and soul, but with a spiritually dead human spirit.
When a person believes in Christ, they become trichotomous, with a body, soul and spirit.
Well, tell that to the Rev 6 martyrs who are shouting for revenge in heaven, awaiting Christ's return to heaven to end Armageddon and set up His kingdom reign.
Your error is simply misunderstanding how "dead" is used in Scripture.
