New Info on Numbers 1260, 1290, 1335 and 42

Christian Gedge · Dec 17, 2021

Division of the ‘Week’ Diagram

The special festival in the middle year is actually a 'fulcrum' between two significant counts. Each 'time, times and half a time' had an additional month added to the 'base' 42 months, making a total of 86 lunar months altogether. Please examine the diagram taking note that the Day of Atonement stands independently between the two counts.

Notice how the first ‘t, t, + ½ t’ was precisely 3.5 solar years, but the second half of the ‘week’ was 1260 days. From what I can see, every Sabbatical cycle follows this pattern.

Have a look at the diagram again. The full seven years contains 1278 + 1 + 1260 = 2539 days. Divide that by 29.53 and, voila, 86 lunar months! I reckon it was more accurate than any of the modern calendars!

klutedavid · Dec 17, 2021

Marilyn C said:
Hi klutedavid,

That`s right there is no Jewish Temple on the Mount. However Jerusalem has a Temple in King George st.

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Your temple in George St is an abomination.

The first temple had specific design specifications and location. Your temple would never qualify as it fails to meet the specifications given by God.

There will never, ever, be a third physical temple.

Mwhaaaaaaaaa.

klutedavid · Dec 17, 2021

keras said:
Isaiah 66:21

I read that verse in a spiritual sense and not in a literal way.

Surely Jesus won't return riding a horse?

Will you turn up with your grain offering and riding a camel?

Marilyn C · Dec 17, 2021

klutedavid said:
Your temple in George St is an abomination.

The first temple had specific design specifications and location. Your temple would never qualify as it fails to meet the specifications given by God.

There will never, ever, be a third physical temple.

Mwhaaaaaaaaa.

Of course it`s not what God has said His temple to be. However because the Jews see it as their Temple during the trib, then that is where the A/C will get his image set up.

klutedavid · Dec 18, 2021

Marilyn C said:
Of course it`s not what God has said His temple to be. However because the Jews see it as their Temple during the trib, then that is where the A/C will get his image set up.

Israel is a modern secular nation and the majority of the Jews
don't care about a temple. Israel is not under the law of Moses. There is no chair of Moses.

They have a democratic government and God is not the one, that is in charge in Israel. The temple you claimed was the temple, has no Ark inside. No brass basins in front to catch the blood of the sacrifices. There is not a holy of holies in that temple. Probably no court of the Gentiles.

The Old Covenant is obsolete.

An authentic third temple is an impossibility.

Timtofly · Dec 18, 2021

klutedavid said:
There is no Jewish Temple on the mount. We don't even have a theocratic nation of Israel.

How can the image of the beast be observed in the Jewish Temple?

Israel is a secular nation and has only recently appeared on the world map. For two thousand years Israel did not even exist.

We are in the age of the Gentiles and have been for two thousand years.

Luke 21:24
And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Many Jews are still living in foreign nations.

When will the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled?

I strongly doubt that Jesus will tell secular Israel to build another temple.

Because Jesus Christ returns as Prince before there is even a need for those 42 months. His glorious throne in His own temple is going to be the next Temple. It is a Temple of God set up by God. It is new and that is why John is told to measure it. You all think Revelation is "messed up" chronologically. It is not. Every one's eschatology is messed up. You all try to change Revelation around to fit your theology.

Marilyn C · Dec 18, 2021

klutedavid said:
Israel is a modern secular nation and the majority of the Jews
don't care about a temple. Israel is not under the law of Moses. There is no chair of Moses.

They have a democratic government and God is not the one, that is in charge in Israel. The temple you claimed was the temple, has no Ark inside. No brass basins in front to catch the blood of the sacrifices. There is not a holy of holies in that temple. Probably no court of the Gentiles.

The Old Covenant is obsolete.

An authentic third temple is an impossibility.

Yes we both agree that Israel is mostly secular. However after God deals with the Russian Federation then they turn to God. (Ez. 39: 12 & 22)

Now remember that the image of the A/C can be seen in the temple, in the Holy Place, thus there is no veil, and no ark etc. (Matt. 24: 15)

Torah Keeper · Dec 18, 2021

Why do you think Russia? Are you sure? I can't see Russia invading Israel anytime soon, if ever. Maybe Russia will invade Ukraine, or the 'stans. But Israel? Why?

I am hoping C.G. will post some more!

Marilyn C · Dec 18, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
Why do you think Russia? Are you sure? I can't see Russia invading Israel anytime soon, if ever. Maybe Russia will invade Ukraine, or the 'stans. But Israel? Why?

I am hoping C.G. will post some more!

Because God says, `I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws, and lead you out......I will bring you against my land,...` (Ez. 38: 4 & 16)

And Russia has already invaded Eastern Ukraine, so when God `turns them around` they will come down to the mountains of Israel.

Christian Gedge · Dec 18, 2021

Christian Gedge said:
Division of the ‘Week’ Diagram

The special festival in the middle year is actually a 'fulcrum' between two significant counts.

Old Testament scripture alludes to the division of the week by Daniel's term, ‘midst of the week’ although, in this case, it referred loosely to the sacred festival period of the middle year. It also mentions an extra leap month, expanding the 1260 days to 1290 days. By understanding how the number of days count to New Year’s Day, we are provided with *part* of the answer to what the prophet meant when he said: “From the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.” (Daniel 12:11) 1290 days to what? The sentence doesn’t seem to lead anywhere, and yet the answer is what the reader is looking for! However, Daniel would have expected his original readers to have known that he meant from the Day of Atonement to the end of the cycle on New Year’s Day.

Indeed, when we follow the moon over extended periods, we find the ancient Sabbatical cycle alternating between 86 and 87 months until seven ‘weeks of years’ completed the Jubilee of forty-nine years. In the case of the alternate 87 months, the equation would show a ‘time, times and half a time’ of 1278 days on one side, and 1290 days on the other. IOW, a total of three months were added in those cases.

I have checked this model over hundreds of years, and come to the conclusion that by combining the formula with actual sightings of New Moon, the calendar would have been virtually mistake-proof. More detailed diagrams in my book. Flick me a PM if you want 'The Atonement Clock.'

3 Resurrections · Dec 18, 2021

Christian Gedge said:
Division of the ‘Week’ Diagram

The special festival in the middle year is actually a 'fulcrum' between two significant counts. Each 'time, times and half a time' had an additional month added to the 'base' 42 months, making a total of 86 lunar months altogether. Please examine the diagram taking note that the Day of Atonement stands independently between the two counts.

Notice how the first ‘t, t, + ½ t’ was precisely 3.5 solar years, but the second half of the ‘week’ was 1260 days. From what I can see, every Sabbatical cycle follows this pattern.

Have a look at the diagram again. The full seven years contains 1278 + 1 + 1260 = 2539 days. Divide that by 29.53 and, voila, 86 lunar months! I reckon it was more accurate than any of the modern calendars!

Just thinking out loud here...

Question: Do you think this Sabbatical week with the Day of Atonement in the center has any symbolic relation to the Habakkuk 3:2 text where the prophet prays for God to "Revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy"?

Christian Gedge · Dec 19, 2021

3 Resurrections said:
in wrath remember mercy"?

Well, that certainly is what atonement is about. Thanks for your suggestion. I hadn’t noticed that.

Douggg · Dec 19, 2021

Christian Gedge said:
However, Daniel would have expected his original readers to have known that he meant from the Day of Atonement to the end of the cycle on New Year’s Day.

That is a bad assumption you are making, because it says in the next verse blessed is he who remains until the 1335 day. And also the understanding of the vision has been sealed until the time of the end in verse 4. Meaning that Daniel himself did not understand the 1290 days and the 1335 day.

The abomination of desolation is a one time event, not an every 7 years event.

Which Jesus's second coming is also a one time event.

1290 days from the time the AOD is setup until the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.
1335 days from the time the AOD is setup until Jesus's second coming.

Christian Gedge · Dec 19, 2021

The 1335 Days

As the opening post says, “the strange numbers in Daniel are repeating formulas.” This is also true of the 1335 days. Apparently, it is another calendar procedure because, when we add it to the 1st day of Tishri, it arrives at the Day of Pentecost, the 6th of Sivan, three and a half years later, and 50 days after Passover. So, the great festival dates were being used, in addition to their religious function, to hold together the old luni-solar system.

Therefore, when looking at Daniel 12:12, “Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1335 days,” there are two ways we might look at it. Some will say it was fulfilled in the past; others that it will be fulfilled in the future. I’m not getting into that argument except to explain how it used to be a repeating formula, not a one-off number. We might also note that Shavuot is always associated with blessedness and gladness.

Douggg · Dec 19, 2021

Christian Gedge said:
The 1335 Days

As the opening post says, “the strange numbers in Daniel are repeating formulas.” This is also true of the 1335 days. Apparently, it is another calendar procedure because, when we add it to the 1st day of Tishri, it arrives at the Day of Pentecost, the 6th of Sivan, three and a half years later, and 50 days after Passover. So, the great festival dates were being used, in addition to their religious function, to hold together the old luni-solar system.

Therefore, when looking at Daniel 12:12, “Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1335 days,” there are two ways we might look at it. Some will say it was fulfilled in the past; others that it will be fulfilled in the future. I’m not getting into that argument except to explain how it used to be a repeating formula, not a one-off number. We might also note that Shavuot is always associated with blessedness and gladness.

CG, the 7 years begins when the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years cycle required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. We don't know for certain when during the calendar year he will do that (because in Daniel 7 he tries to change the times and seasons).

But if he does follow Moses instructions, he will do it (have the law read from the place of God's choosing which the Jews take to be the temple mount - to the nation) it will be on the feast of tabernacles.

Deuteronomy 31: 9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

The law that Moses created that day was that on the feast of tabernacles, the leaders of Israel would read to the nation what Moses said in verses 1-8.

In verse 1-8, Moses stressed that God gave the land the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever, and to obey the commandments Moses gave them - and that God would not fail them, nor forsake them in verse 8.

Moses was the first to confirm the Covenant that God made with them on Mt. Sinai.
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Obviously cannot be done from the temple mount under current situation with the Muslim presence on the Temple Mount, and the dispute over Israel's possession of the land.

So it will be after Gog/Magog. Which the 7 years are in Ezekiel 39, following Gog/Magog.

3 Resurrections · Dec 19, 2021

Christian Gedge said:
The 1335 Days

As the opening post says, “the strange numbers in Daniel are repeating formulas.” This is also true of the 1335 days. Apparently, it is another calendar procedure because, when we add it to the 1st day of Tishri, it arrives at the Day of Pentecost, the 6th of Sivan, three and a half years later, and 50 days after Passover. So, the great festival dates were being used, in addition to their religious function, to hold together the old luni-solar system.

This system goes all the way back to Creation, when the two great lights of the sun and moon were given on the 4th day of the 7-day week "for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. In addition to regulating the calendar computations, I believe the new moon's appearance was connected to the "sign of the Son of Man in heaven" before His return. This sign of the new moon was one which the Jewish leadership would customarily be watching for carefully in the skies, so that the beginning schedule of their feast days could coordinate with this sign.

I am one of those who believe in a past fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy for Pentecost on this 1335th day, (which was linked to this luni-solar system of calendar computations you are discussing). Daniel 12:11-13 was describing a resurrection in which Daniel himself would take part on that Pentecost day. Only our omniscient God could fulfill a prophecy of a resurrection event that would take place exactly in accord with the festival date patterns in this very precise luni-solar system. Which it did on Pentecost Day of AD 70, precisely 1,335 days after Jerusalem was surrounded by armies back in AD 66 (the AOD according to Luke 21:20), during a season when a daily sacrifice had just been taken away by the Temple governor, Eleazar, just as Daniel had predicted.

Douggg · Dec 19, 2021

The 1290 days and the 1335th day in Daniel 12:11-12 are tied to the abomination of desolation, not to the calendar.

And when, at the time of the end in Daniel 12:4.

3 Resurrections · Dec 19, 2021

Douggg said:
The 1290 days and the 1335th day in Daniel 12:11-12 are tied to the abomination of desolation, not to the calendar.

Those 1290 and 1335 days were tied to both the abomination of desolation, AND to the festival dates on the calendar. AND to the "time of the end" when the power of the holy people was to be shattered completely (Daniel 12:7), which wrapped up all of Daniel's prophecies. "And when he shall have accomplished to shatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Christian Gedge · Dec 19, 2021

3 Resurrections said:
Which it did on Pentecost Day of AD 70, precisely 1,335 days after Jerusalem was surrounded by armies back in AD 66

Does history give us the date in AD 66 when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies? We need to check some cases of the 1335-day formula because one in three instances it was 1364 days. (an extra 29-day moon)

Douggg · Dec 19, 2021

3 Resurrections said:
Those 1290 and 1335 days were tied to both the abomination of desolation, AND to the festival dates on the calendar. AND to the "time of the end" when the power of the holy people was to be shattered completely (Daniel 12:7), which wrapped up all of Daniel's prophecies. "And when he shall have accomplished to shatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Daniel and Ezekiel were contemporaries. Part of the end time prophecies came through Daniel and another part through Ezekiel. Gog/Magog has not happened yet. Neither the 7 years in Ezekiel 39, and Daniel 9:27, nor the 1290 days, nor the 1335th day, nor the 2300 days, nor the time/times/half time which are contained in those 7 years.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Does not fit the past.

New Info on Numbers 1260, 1290, 1335 and 42

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