Revelation 6:6 possible Interpretation

Forest_Garden · Dec 14, 2021

New King James Version
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

Revelation 6:6
could very well be a reference to being able to ease the great tribulation and possibly affect the times at which the breaking of the seals occur. Being made the mercy on the earth for the replenishing of life and hope of repentance for the rest of civilization, but to be clear, the Book of Revelation is inevitable due to sin, and being backslidden. A theme I will further discuss in replies to this post, through examples where the Lord relented and people repented of what appears to be hardly nothing.

So, if we look at what is being said it states simply that this is a matter of famine and scarcity. What we can acknowledge is that John speaking to the Lord resurrected and an angel at the time and being shown prophetic vision about the future during the great tribulation, which included occurrences in heaven. In this case the four living creatures that were before the throne of the Lord saying "Holy, Holy, Holy" day and night tirelessly.

7The first living creature was like a lion, the second like a calf, the third had a face like a man, and the fourth was like an eagle in flight. 8And each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around and within. Day and night they never stop saying:

“Holy, Holy, Holy,

is the Lord God Almighty,

who was and is and is to come!”
Revelation 3:7-8

Now, Revelation 6:5 mentions a black horse, with a black rider holding a pair of scales
demonstrating what is hanging in the balance by darkness and loss.

In the midst of the four living creatures a voice is heard stating "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three
quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.

This very much can be interpreted: that during this time, a man will have to live day by day, with no assurance of
the future, but when it says do not harm the oil and the wine, what is it saying? Is it saying that literal oil
and wine will be essential if not vital? Or is it saying something else?

If John was speaking to an angel showing him visions about the future and heaven then its very likely that there is
spiritual and parabolic context to these statements.

The oil being the anointing of God's grace upon the person being made the elect of the time of the great tribulation and the wine being the substance of a man, the worthiness of his life.

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
Matthew 25:1-13

this and many other scriptures refer to being filled with the Holy Spirit to the point of overflowing.

You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows
Psalm 23:5

Plenty of cross references.
Psalm 23:5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.

and the parable of the wine and wineskins

The Patches and the Wineskins
(Mark 2:21–22; Luke 5:36–39)

16No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. For the patch will pull away from the garment, and a worse tear will result.

17Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

So the Lord states that both the old and new is preserved.

To the Church in Philadelphia

7“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, who shuts and no one opens.

8“‘I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you. 10Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown. 12The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
Revelation 3:7-13

There's more to discuss surrounding the meaning of Revelation 6:6 but I will leave it here for today, with a closing statement. It could be that the Lord is telling us to be delicate with the situation of today, and in the times to come.

God bless.

Jesus Christ saves.

Trusting in Him · Dec 14, 2021

The parable of the ten virgins has a lot of people confused. At the midnight hour it does not make sense to be going to those who sell oil to buy more oil, it is simple far too late to find businesses open to sell anything at such an hour, so is this an invitation to examine this differently. Well maybe that it is! This is not about oil, it is about something else. The great hebrew teachers and scholars of biblical times refered to a word called remez. Remez was an ancient hebrew scholars way of understanding the fuller and often hidden deeper meaning of a portion of scripture. It assumes that their knowledge of scripture would allow them to deduce for themselves the fuller meaning of that scripture portion. Jesus was very skillful in using and applying this technique.

For example when Jesus came into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, the children shouted hosanna to Him and the religious leaders did not like it. Jesus told them that "out of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou hast ordained praise". This from psalm 8:2 and the rest of this verse says that this is because God's enemies would be silenced. The religious leaders immediately understood that Jesus was calling them God's enemies. Many of the sayings of Jesus are saying something else, beside what we at first percieve. There is very often a hidden message as well. When we see the hidden message, we sometimes wonder how we missed it. Remez is an invitation to dig deeper for hidden gold and see the connections which are there waiting to be discovered.

So, what is the oil there for? it is for burning to produce light. In the old testament, we are told that the seven brached candle stick, known as the Minorah is to always be kept burning! It must not be allowed to go out! The Minorah was originally part of the tabernacle furnature. When Christ came he came to tabernacle with us, it a picture of who we are outwardly and we are to have that inner light burning at all times. If we deny Him, He says that He will deny us. In this portion of scripture, He tells the foolish virgins, "Verily, I say unto you, I know you not". These difficult times of political correctness, it is very easily to avoid being unpopular by not admitting that we are Christians. If we will not admit that we are His, then we are not worthy to be the Bride of Jesus Christ and we will be excluded from His wedding supper.

I like to study the old testament pictures, types, antitypes, fore shadows in His word. The new testament parables of jesus are also full of them. The early Christians were Jewish and would have had no difficulty in discerning and understanding what Jesus was saying. Those who neither studied Gods word, or believed, would have completely missed the deeper hidden meaning. Being a comitted christian on the surfice is not the same as belonging to Him deep down, heart and soul. If you are going to be the Bride of Jesus Christ, it is an everylasting coventant. There is no going back! It will cost us everything! He is worth all that. Our love for Him must be total, nothing else will do! The Bride will be clothed in white linen, which is the righteousness of the saints.

Trusting in Him · Dec 14, 2021

FountainTurtles32 said:
New King James Version
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

This has got me thinking. The wheat, the barley, the oil and the wine are all connected with the tabernacle. Wether this means anything in this case, I'm not sure!

Bob_1000 · Dec 14, 2021

1Co 15:37 (KJV) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

A penny was the wages for a days work. Jesus worked one day on the cross to pay for the wheat and “some other grain” in 1Co 15:37.

grafted branch · Dec 14, 2021

FountainTurtles32 said:
So, if we look at what is being said it states simply that this is a matter of famine and scarcity. What we can acknowledge is that John speaking to the Lord resurrected and an angel at the time and being shown prophetic vision about the future during the great tribulation, which included occurrences in heaven. In this case the four living creatures that were before the throne of the Lord saying "Holy, Holy, Holy" day and night tirelessly.

I would have to disagree with idea that there’s scarcity, it doesn’t say food is limited it only gives the price and amount. This is no different than going to a store; there is no reason to think that if a person had 10 penny’s he couldn’t buy 10 measures of wheat or 30 measures of barley.

According to many commentaries a measure of barley or wheat is about 1 quart or 907.2 grams (1 ounce = 28.35 grams). To be conservative let’s just call it 900 grams. Also the commentaries equate a penny with a day’s wages.

So let’s suppose that a person purchased 3 measures or 2,700 grams of barley for their day’s wages. That would amount to 9,558 calories and 62.1 grams of fat. Anyone eating that amount of calories and fat each day would soon be obese. In fact in order to have the third seal represent famine a person has to ignore the actual nutritional value of wheat, barley, oil, and wine or ignore the amounts of nutrients needed for a person to live.

One more thing to keep in mind, a penny doesn’t necessarily = a day’s wages. It certainly was true in the parable that all who worked in the vineyard received a penny; but during the first century there were carpenters, scribes, physicians, and many more professions. It’s still the same today; someone who picks fruit is considered a laborer and makes some of the lowest wages.

3 Resurrections · Dec 14, 2021

Trusting in Him said:
This has got me thinking. The wheat, the barley, the oil and the wine are all connected with the tabernacle. Wether this means anything in this case, I not sure!

You're right, these items absolutely are connected with the Temple and tabernacle worship. Meaning the Second Temple specifically, when the Zealots coming from Galilee of the Gentiles were "trampling it underfoot" for 42 months. The competing factions of the Zealots battled over who would get into the Temple to help themselves to its supplies for their own followers. Those who succeeded had no right to its stored-up supplies which the priests were to use for the sacrifices, but in a profane, sacrilegious manner, took what they wanted anyway. Josephus records that once the Zealot leader John of Gischala got hold of the Temple's reserved oil and wine, he squandered it (Wars 5.13.6).

Trusting in Him · Dec 15, 2021

The barley is perhaps of interest as the first fruits were taken from the beginnings of the barley harvest. of course Jesus in the first fruits of those risen from the dead and by association, when the chosen time is come the Bride of Christ may be pictured as the remainder of that harvest.

I'm wondering whether the fact that the same amount of money buys three times as much barley as it buys of wheat means anything? If so what? This not an easy portion of scripture to fully understand. The traditional interpretation of this verse has been suggestive of famine, but is this all there is to it?

3 Resurrections · Dec 15, 2021

Trusting in Him said:
I'm wondering whether the fact that the same amount of money buys three times as much barley as it buys of wheat means anything? If so what?

Sometime searching for deeper meaning in the details can be just wasted energy - but perhaps not with this. I like it when people try to think outside of the box. How's this for a possible meaning behind the triple amount of barley compared to the wheat?

Barley was considered the "poor man's" food, and wheat for the "rich" members of society in the first century, I am told. If there was three times the "poor man's" food, perhaps this is connected with the fact that more of the poor in that generation heard Christ gladly, but the fewer rich ones tended to scoff at Christ's teaching. Christ said to that generation that it was difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Not so many wise according to the flesh, not so many mighty, not so many noble were called, but God chose the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and weak things of the world to confound the things that were mighty, and base things of the world, and things despised, etc., etc. (1 Cor. 1:26-28).

Just a thought which can be discarded if not applicable...

grafted branch · Dec 15, 2021

Trusting in Him said:
The barley is perhaps of interest as the first fruits were taken from the beginnings of the barley harvest. of course Jesus in the first fruits of those risen from the dead and by association, when the chosen time is come the Bride of Christ may be pictured as the remainder of that harvest.

I'm wondering whether the fact that the same amount of money buys three times as much barley as it buys of wheat means anything? If so what? This not an easy portion of scripture to fully understand. The traditional interpretation of this verse has been suggestive of famine, but is this all there is to it?

Here’s my opinion, for what it’s worth.

As you can see from my post above, I don’t see the 3rd seal representing famine. I’ll give a brief description of my view of the first 4 seals so you can better see how the 3rd seal fits in. I’ll start saying that I believe all 4 horsemen represent Christ when he was on earth.

First seal- I don’t think I need to list any verses here so I’ll just say Christ is certainly able to go forth conquering and to conquer.

Second seal- Luke 12:51-53 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division. It then lists all the divisions. John 7:40-43 and John 10:19 both show that there is division based on his words or “sword”.
When Jesus sent forth the 12 disciples to preach the gospel and heal the sick they are told in Matthew 10:20 when they are delivered up before governors and kings “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you”. These are the words of God or the sword. In verse 21 it states “And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death”.

Third seal- If the wheat, barley, oil, and wine are not meant in any literal sense then they have to make sense spiritually.
Wheat would represent believers, and oil represents the Holy Spirit. I would say the wine represents the scriptures being fulfilled; so when the wine of the wrath of God is poured out it’s the fulfilment of his wrath. Likewise when Jesus turns the water into wine I think it represents Jesus having the ability to fulfill the law. With barley it’s difficult to say with certainty what it means, but I use Numbers 5:15 to come to the idea that it represents sin that is remembered.

Numbers 5:15 concerning a jealous husband, it states “then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance”.

So I interpret the third seal as man being weighed in the balance and must pay for his sins or as in the case of believers (the wheat), be given as a gift the cost of his sins.
I also would say the third seal has to do with the time when Jesus prays in Luke 22:42 Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Jesus paid the price and became sin for us. We also know that after he was baptized the Spirit of God descended upon him. When Jesus cried out my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me; the Holy Spirit is no longer with him at that time. The Holy Spirit is not hurt or wounded with Jesus for our transgressions. The cup or price that must be paid for the wheat is asked to be removed in Luke 22:42. The third seal has a voice that is heard, this I think is Gods answer to the prayer which would be that he must pay the price for the wheat and die alone, without the Holy Spirt (oil not being hurt) and what was written in the scriptures must be fulfilled (wine not being hurt).

Fourth seal- The rider on the pale or green horse has the name Death and Hell followed with him.

In 2 Corinthians 5:21 Christ became sin for us and in Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death. The name Death can be applied to Christ when he went into the heart of the earth after His death. In Matthew 27:52-53 the graves are opened and the saints arose. Without going into detail here, I believe these are the 144,000 which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth in Revelation 14:4.

And power was given them over the fourth part of the earth to kill with the sword, hunger, death, and the beasts of the earth.

This statement then has to be referring to the physical acts that unbelievers do and they have been doing them ever since Cain killed Able. Because the wheat or believers are 1 part and the barley or unsaved of the world are 3 parts, it is the world that continues to be able to physically kill the believers or 4th part despite Christ becoming death for us and overcoming it. I think this statement is simply reiterating the fact that physical acts against believers will continue until the end. When the next seal is opened those who were killed are told to rest a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Bob_1000 · Dec 15, 2021

grafted branch said:
Here’s my opinion, for what it’s worth.

As you can see from my post above, I don’t see the 3rd seal representing famine. I’ll give a brief description of my view of the first 4 seals so you can better see how the 3rd seal fits in. I’ll start saying that I believe all 4 horsemen represent Christ when he was on earth.

First seal- I don’t think I need to list any verses here so I’ll just say Christ is certainly able to go forth conquering and to conquer.

Second seal- Luke 12:51-53 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division. It then lists all the divisions. John 7:40-43 and John 10:19 both show that there is division based on his words or “sword”.
When Jesus sent forth the 12 disciples to preach the gospel and heal the sick they are told in Matthew 10:20 when they are delivered up before governors and kings “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you”. These are the words of God or the sword. In verse 21 it states “And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death”.

Third seal- If the wheat, barley, oil, and wine are not meant in any literal sense then they have to make sense spiritually.
Wheat would represent believers, and oil represents the Holy Spirit. I would say the wine represents the scriptures being fulfilled; so when the wine of the wrath of God is poured out it’s the fulfilment of his wrath. Likewise when Jesus turns the water into wine I think it represents Jesus having the ability to fulfill the law. With barley it’s difficult to say with certainty what it means, but I use Numbers 5:15 to come to the idea that it represents sin that is remembered.

Numbers 5:15 concerning a jealous husband, it states “then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance”.
So I interpret the third seal as man being weighed in the balance and must pay for his sins or as in the case of believers (the wheat), be given as a gift the cost of his sins.
I also would say the third seal has to do with the time when Jesus prays in Luke 22:42 Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Jesus paid the price and became sin for us. We also know that after he was baptized the Spirit of God descended upon him. When Jesus cried out my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me; the Holy Spirit is no longer with him at that time. The Holy Spirit is not hurt or wounded with Jesus for our transgressions. The cup or price that must be paid for the wheat is asked to be removed in Luke 22:42. The third seal has a voice that is heard, this I think is Gods answer to the prayer which would be that he must pay the price for the wheat and die alone, without the Holy Spirt (oil not being hurt) and what was written in the scriptures must be fulfilled (wine not being hurt).

Fourth seal- The rider on the pale or green horse has the name Death and Hell followed with him.

In 2 Corinthians 5:21 Christ became sin for us and in Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death. The name Death can be applied to Christ when he went into the heart of the earth after His death. In Matthew 27:52-53 the graves are opened and the saints arose. Without going into detail here, I believe these are the 144,000 which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth in Revelation 14:4.

And power was given them over the fourth part of the earth to kill with the sword, hunger, death, and the beasts of the earth.

This statement then has to be referring to the physical acts that unbelievers do and they have been doing them ever since Cain killed Able. Because the wheat or believers are 1 part and the barley or unsaved of the world are 3 parts, it is the world that continues to be able to physically kill the believers or 4th part despite Christ becoming death for us and overcoming it. I think this statement is simply reiterating the fact that physical acts against believers will continue until the end. When the next seal is opened those who were killed are told to rest a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I agree with you on the first two and somewhat on the third one. One thing to add to the first seal is the crown is a stephanous crown. The crown of thorns Jesus wore on the cross would be a wreath or stephanos of thorns.

Stephanos or Stefanos, in Greek Στέφανος, is a masculine given name derived from the Greek word στέφανος (stéphanos), meaning "wreath, crown" and by extension "reward, honor, renown, fame", from the verb στέφειν (stéphein), "to encircle, to wreathe"

I think the 3rd seal is the days work on the cross (penny) that purchased these souls:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

Matt5 · Dec 15, 2021

FountainTurtles32 said:
New King James Version
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

So, if we look at what is being said it states simply that this is a matter of famine and scarcity. What we can acknowledge is that John speaking to the Lord resurrected and an angel at the time and being shown prophetic vision about the future during the great tribulation, which included occurrences in heaven. In this case the four living creatures that were before the throne of the Lord saying "Holy, Holy, Holy" day and night tirelessly.

7The first living creature was like a lion, the second like a calf, the third had a face like a man, and the fourth was like an eagle in flight. 8And each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around and within. Day and night they never stop saying:

“Holy, Holy, Holy,

is the Lord God Almighty,

who was and is and is to come!”
Revelation 3:7-8

Now, Revelation 6:5 mentions a black horse, with a black rider holding a pair of scales
demonstrating what is hanging in the balance by darkness and loss.

In the midst of the four living creatures a voice is heard stating "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three
quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.

This very much can be interpreted: that during this time, a man will have to live day by day, with no assurance of
the future, but when it says do not harm the oil and the wine, what is it saying? Is it saying that literal oil
and wine will be essential if not vital? Or is it saying something else?

If John was speaking to an angel showing him visions about the future and heaven then its very likely that there is
spiritual and parabolic context to these statements.

The oil being the anointing of God's grace upon the person being made the elect of the time of the great tribulation and the wine being the substance of a man, the worthy content of his life.

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
Matthew 25:1-13

this and many other scriptures refer to being filled with the Holy Spirit to the point of overflowing.

You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows
Psalm 23:5

Plenty of cross references.
Psalm 23:5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.

and the parable of the wine and wineskins

The Patches and the Wineskins
(Mark 2:21–22; Luke 5:36–39)

16No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. For the patch will pull away from the garment, and a worse tear will result.

17Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

So the Lord states that both the old and new is preserved.

Revelation 6:6
could very well be a reference to being able to ease the great tribulation and possibly affect the times at which the breaking of the seals occur. Being made the mercy on the earth for the replenishing of life and hope of repentance for the rest of civilization, but to be clear, the Book of Revelation is inevitable due to sin, and being backslidden. A theme I will further discuss in replies to this post, through examples where the Lord relented and people repented of what appears to be hardly nothing.

To the Church in Philadelphia

7“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, who shuts and no one opens.

8“‘I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you. 10Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown. 12The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
Revelation 3:7-13

There's more to discuss surrounding the meaning of Revelation 6:6 but I will leave it here for today, with a closing statement. It could be that the Lord is telling us to be delicate with the situation of today, and in the times to come.

God bless.

Jesus Christ saves.

Understanding wheat and barley:

Exodus 9:31 And the flax and the barley was smitten: for the barley was in the ear, and the flax was bolled.

Exodus 9:32 But the wheat and the rie were not smitten: for they were not grown up.

In Exodus, there is a judgment on Egypt because of its treatment of Jews. In the judgment the wheat survived but the barley was destroyed.

grafted branch · Dec 15, 2021

Bob_1000 said:
I agree with you on the first two and somewhat on the third one. One thing to add to the first seal is the crown is a stephanous crown. The crown of thorns Jesus wore on the cross would be a wreath or stephanos of thorns.

Stephanos or Stefanos, in Greek Στέφανος, is a masculine given name derived from the Greek word στέφανος (stéphanos), meaning "wreath, crown" and by extension "reward, honor, renown, fame", from the verb στέφειν (stéphein), "to encircle, to wreathe"

I think the 3rd seal is the days work on the cross (penny) that purchased these souls:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

Something you might be interested in is the connection between 3 measures of barley and 30 shekels of silver.

In Hosea 3:2 Hosea buys an adulteress wife for 15 pieces of silver and 1 and 1/2 homers of barley. Exodus 21:32 sets the price of a servant, male or female, at 30 shekels of silver. It appears Hosea’s purchase of his wife was paid half with shekels and half with barley; this would equate 3 homers of barley with 30 shekels of silver.

Matt5 · Dec 16, 2021

Matt5 said:
Understanding wheat and barley:

Exodus 9:31 And the flax and the barley was smitten: for the barley was in the ear, and the flax was bolled.

Exodus 9:32 But the wheat and the rie were not smitten: for they were not grown up.

In Exodus, there is a judgment on Egypt because of its treatment of Jews. In the judgment the wheat survived but the barley was destroyed.

Could the balances in seal 3 represent judgment? And the punishment is shown by the wheat and barley? This is Isaiah 17. Revenge comes shortly thereafter in Isaiah 18 when a powerful friend of Israel is wiped out.

Isaiah 18 is so important that the entire world is told to stop and pay attention - to Isaiah 17.

Seal 3 opens and shortly thereafter seal 4 is opened in retaliation. You will be blessed if you note Isaiah 17 and get ready for the obliteration of America in Isaiah 18.

Trusting in Him · Dec 16, 2021

Matt5 said:
Could the balances in seal 3 represent judgment? And the punishment is shown by the wheat and barley? This is Isaiah 17. Revenge comes shortly thereafter in Isaiah 18 when a powerful friend of Israel is wiped out.

Isaiah 18 is so important that the entire world is told to stop and pay attention - to Isaiah 17.

Seal 3 opens and shortly thereafter seal 4 is opened in retaliation. You will be blessed if you note Isaiah 17 and get ready for the obliteration of America in Isaiah 18.

Isaiah 18 is quite criptic, I'm not sure that I can see the connection with the obliteration of America! Am I missing something?

Matt5 · Dec 17, 2021

Trusting in Him said:
Isaiah 18 is quite criptic, I'm not sure that I can see the connection with the obliteration of America! Am I missing something?

A powerful/important friend of Israel is the target of Isaiah 18, no?

The whole world is told to pay attention.
It brings a gift for the new temple on the Temple Mount.

Which countries on the planet are important enough for the entire world to stop everything, and which ones would bring gifts for the new temple?

Torah Keeper · Dec 17, 2021

grafted branch said:
I would have to disagree with idea that there’s scarcity, it doesn’t say food is limited it only gives the price and amount. This is no different than going to a store; there is no reason to think that if a person had 10 penny’s he couldn’t buy 10 measures of wheat or 30 measures of barley.

According to many commentaries a measure of barley or wheat is about 1 quart or 907.2 grams (1 ounce = 28.35 grams). To be conservative let’s just call it 900 grams. Also the commentaries equate a penny with a day’s wages.

So let’s suppose that a person purchased 3 measures or 2,700 grams of barley for their day’s wages. That would amount to 9,558 calories and 62.1 grams of fat. Anyone eating that amount of calories and fat each day would soon be obese. In fact in order to have the third seal represent famine a person has to ignore the actual nutritional value of wheat, barley, oil, and wine or ignore the amounts of nutrients needed for a person to live.

One more thing to keep in mind, a penny doesn’t necessarily = a day’s wages. It certainly was true in the parable that all who worked in the vineyard received a penny; but during the first century there were carpenters, scribes, physicians, and many more professions. It’s still the same today; someone who picks fruit is considered a laborer and makes some of the lowest wages.

I think it represents hyper inflation. A day's wages(let's say $200) for 3 quarts of barley is insane! A hardworking man needs about 5,000 calories a day to remain healthy.

And it still can be famine because the barley must feed the laborer and his dependent family.

So it seems that the poor will spend 50-100% of income on bitter barley, which is slave's food. A single man may do ok, but a poor family could not survive.

Now I agree there is more to the imagery than just famine or inflation. The black horse represents sorrow. Black is the color of sadness. The scales represent trade, not judgment. Trading will become extremely unfair and there will be a huge social gap between rich and poor. It will be the super wealthy and the slaves. This is exactly what the elites want. No price is given for oil and wine because oil and wine will be priceless. They will not be traded. Such precious treasures as olive oil will be hoarded by the rich for their own use. The poor will have none of it.

Trusting in Him · Dec 17, 2021

Matt5 said:
A powerful/important friend of Israel is the target of Isaiah 18, no?

The whole world is told to pay attention.
It brings a gift for the new temple on the Temple Mount.

Which countries on the planet are important enough for the entire world to stop everything, and which ones would bring gifts for the new temple?

Yes I got this, but what about where this chapter says, "woe unto the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of ethiopia? (this might also be Cush, Sudan! Exact translation is a little unsure). America is no where near there!

Matt5 · Dec 17, 2021

Trusting in Him said:
Yes I got this, but what about where this chapter says, "woe unto the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of ethiopia? (this might also be Cush, Sudan! Exact translation is a little unsure). America is no where near there!

Most people think it is Ethiopia, but this verse suggests it is not a landlocked country:

18:2 Which sends ambassadors by sea,

OK, so some other African country. But one could argue that many far away countries (from Ethiopia) will also work. Except this doesn't help much. You can only end up with a long list of countries.

Instead, try working backwards.

Isaiah 17 and 18 both have the same problem: why should we care? Given that we are in the end-times and most of the planet is getting wiped out anyway, why should I specifically care about Damascus (and friends) and some unknown African country getting obliterated?

Is it possible that 17 could lead to World War III? In other words, could Damascus be modern-day Sarajevo?

Is it possible that 18 (18:3-5) could tie to 17? Maybe it doesn't but could it?

Torah Keeper · Dec 17, 2021

https://combadi.com/what-are-the-seven-major-rivers-in-africa/

I think it is South Africa. It is a land divided by many rivers, south of Ethiopia. It seems to be the only fitting description. This may have been the land of Sheba in Solomon's days.

Matt5 · Dec 17, 2021

Torah Keeper said:
https://combadi.com/what-are-the-seven-major-rivers-in-africa/

I think it is South Africa. It is a land divided by many rivers, south of Ethiopia. It seems to be the only fitting description. This may have been the land of Sheba in Solomon's days.

Who is the someone that wants to take out South Africa and why?

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