Are Marian apparitions from God?

TruthSeek3r said:

1. Are these guidelines for review and approval of Marian visitations published somewhere?
2. What do Protestants think of these guidelines?

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I found some guidelines. They are 'official' but they may not be exhaustive.

Norms regarding the manner of proceedings in the discernment of presumed apparitions or revelations

See also: The Ultimate Guide to Marian Apparitions - Ascension Press Media

chevyontheriver said:

Oh my.

Do people decide what they will not see, and then call anyone who sees what they will not see a liar? Such seems like a hermetically sealed position to me.

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That is what happens wen someone has a very closed mind, many times not even God can get through because they have decided and that is it. My late canon Prit use to tell us hat he would see many miracles when he was a missionary in Africa because they had faith and were not closed minded, but he came back to America and he said that many here lacked faith and were to skeptical to have many if any miracles.. It's the same with the Blessed Mother, people are so closed minded that they only believe what they what hence some here call Coptic Christian, Catholics, and other Christians whom believe in Marian Apparitions liars.

Taodeching said:

That is what happens wen someone has a very closed mind, many times not even God can get through because they have decided and that is it. My late canon Prit use to tell us hat he would see many miracles when he was a missionary in Africa because they had faith and were not closed minded, but he came back to America and he said that many here lacked faith and were to skeptical to have many if any miracles.. It's the same with the Blessed Mother, people are so closed minded that they only believe what they what hence some here call Coptic Christian, Catholics, and other Christians whom believe in Marian Apparitions liars.

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We have to balance a closed mind with a mind so open that everything falls out. So skepticism can be good in service to rationality even though skepticism can become an absolute if left to itself. We want to be open to truth and to be able to reject untruths. Open to a degree. In the West most of us are very closed, as products of the 'Enlightenment'.

chevyontheriver said:

I hope it does not unsettle you that almost all Catholics would agree with your words, even though not your implications.

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Hardly unsettles me. Glad to hear it, but I will point out that not even Protestants are heeding His words, let alone, applying them either. I suspect the same is true for some Catholics.

It is a matter of asking Jesus Christ if there be any antichrist coming in between Him & us. This can also apply to loving the world instead of Christ.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

I believe that when Catholics believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead, Catholics are saved even when some Catholics do not believe they are saved yet for why the Catholic Catechism has robbed them of the joy of their salvation. Indeed, Jesus is the door for life and the Church coming in between Jesus & the believers as if the means or stepping stones for sanctification by works to Christ, may have a hard time proving that it is not being an antichrist

Jesus is to be our hope per 1 John 3:3 'And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." and no church, Catholic nor Protestant, can replace our hope as instead of Christ.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber..... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

So would the real Mary be sent by God in doing these apparitions? No, because then, how can any believer heed the warning about what an antichrist is & does?

Jesus is the Bridegroom, the Saviour, the Good Shepherd, & Friend Whom had died for us, risen & at the right hand of God the Father. There is no greater love from any one else, so anything else can just go away and seek not after them any more.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 is why His Presence is not in the Eucharist nor the wine for why He simply said to do communion in remembrance of Him. If communion was to be done for a more important reason, then doing it in remembrance of Him would hardly be the reason for doing it. And some Protestants believe His Presence is in the bread and the wine, but all that do, is failing to see why that is an antichrist too.

We have to remember, Mary is the most blessed HUMAN in history besides Jesus himself who was fully God and fully man. AND I can guarantee that Mary has some duties in heaven that others simply do not have. The church should not come up against Mary. The messiah said, if you come up against me, I will come up against you. Different churches have different gifts. All the hail Mary prayer is, is a repeat of what the ANGEL said himself to her. If you don't agree with it, just don't say the prayer. If you say why are they making graven images to Mary, well we make graven images of everyone else so why not the most blessed human besides Jesus himself? Shall we be unrighteous in our unrighteousness? I don't know why Protestant churches have gotten this evil spirit to make them feel as if they must rebuke Mary. Just don't say anything at all.

TruthSeek3r said:

Should Christians expect legitimate Marian apparitions, sent by God, from time to time?

Are Marian apparitions simply hallucinations / tricks of the mind?

Are Marian apparitions real but from the "dark side"?

As my username indicates, I'm honestly interested in the truth. What is the truth in this matter?

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What are "Marian" apparitions? My mother's name was Marian, but that's probably not what the name Marian came from. The Bible is clear that when we die, we face judgment either to go into God's presence or to the other place, depending on whether we trust in Jesus to get us to heaven. I believe that, therefore, any apparitions which appear to people are either good or bad angels (demons).

If someone thinks somehow that the Blessed virgin Mary who not only Carried the Messiah the savior of the world, and had the HOLY SPIRIT overshadow her, and given a message directly from Yah himself that she is most Blessed among women(as she is not more blessed than Jesus himself who is GOD) who was also foretold she would crush the serpent, is somehow beneath..ohhh yeah I am not going to go any further..I'm going to let you believe that.

TruthSeek3r said:

Among women, which doesn't include men. And back to the apostle Paul, he had an even more extraordinary calling. See Acts 9:

But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. 4 And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 6 But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do.” 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul rose from the ground, and although his eyes were opened, he saw nothing. So they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

10 Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” 11 And the Lord said to him, “Rise and go to the street called Straight, and at the house of Judas look for a man of Tarsus named Saul, for behold, he is praying, 12 and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him so that he might regain his sight.” 13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” 17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19 and taking food, he was strengthened.​

I would say this was prophesied about the Church, not Mary.

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Again, I am going to let you believe that Mary is beneath Paul.

Hark said:

Hardly unsettles me. Glad to hear it, but I will point out that not even Protestants are heeding His words, let alone, applying them either. I suspect the same is true for some Catholics.

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Of course. Some don't get it. Even if we try to get them to get it.

It is a matter of asking Jesus Christ if there be any antichrist coming in between Him & us. This can also apply to loving the world instead of Christ.

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OK. Many things come between Christ and some of His people. We ask God to protect us and show us the way.

I believe that when Catholics believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead, Catholics are saved even when some Catholics do not believe they are saved yet for why the Catholic Catechism has robbed them of the joy of their salvation. Indeed, Jesus is the door for life and the Church coming in between Jesus & the believers as if the means or stepping stones for sanctification by works to Christ, may have a hard time proving that it is not being an antichrist

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I think you are a little bit all wet on your understanding of Catholics and salvation. Just sayin'. We are a whole lot better off than all of those people who are erroneously certain of their salvation. And there are people who are sure they are saved. And wrong. I'm hoping you are not one of them with a false security of salvation.

Jesus is to be our hope per 1 John 3:3 'And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." and no church, Catholic nor Protestant, can replace our hope as instead of Christ.

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Agreed. The Church is not my hope. Jesus is. And yet he founded His Church.

So would the real Mary be sent by God in doing these apparitions? No, because then, how can any believer heed the warning about what an antichrist is & does?

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Here's where you made a presumption too far. Mary is not an anti-Christ. Your supposed reason is that God cannot send Mary because somehow she would automatically be an anti-Christ because she is not Christ Himself. If that is so then every pastor or prophet or apostle would also be an anti-Christ. Because they aren't Jesus. A pastor who points to Jesus is a good shepherd. The mother of Jesus who points to her Son is a good mother.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 is why His Presence is not in the Eucharist nor the wine for why He simply said to do communion in remembrance of Him. If communion was to be done for a more important reason, then doing it in remembrance of Him would hardly be the reason for doing it. And some Protestants believe His Presence is in the bread and the wine, but all that do, is failing to see why that is an antichrist too.

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"But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4* For if some one comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough. "

I think you must have intended some other verses because these badly undermine the point you were trying to make. The teaching of the Real Presence is original Christianity and the later denial of it is a different gospel.

Hammster said:

Why?

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Because they appeared, and were recognized, and were real enough for the disciples present to offer to set up tents for them. Mary appears, is recognizable, and while I don't know if anyone ever offered to set up tents for her, they listened to what she had to say. It's similar enough for me.

Then there is the question of where the body of Moses is. And the body of Elijah. And the body of Mary. Where are the bodies of Moses and Elijah and Mary?

Hammster said:

So because the disciples, who were standing with Christ, knew who Moses and Elijah were, we should just trust these stories of Mary?

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How did Peter recognise Moses and Elijah?

Hammster said:

All you’ve given is third-hand testimony at best.

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I think of the testimony about Jesus. I never met him 2000 years ago. Some guy named Luke never met him 2000 years ago. He interviewed people, often not named, who supposedly had first hand information. So it's third hand me telling a person to believe what Luke said somebody else said about Jesus. Do you believe Luke? I do. And the reason I do is because the Catholic Church says I can trust Luke. Same for the whole Bible. Same for approved apparitions of Mary.

You haven’t even named names.

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What kind of names were you expecting?

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All you’ve said is that some guys somewhere said they saw something.

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Well, I have never seen an apparition. And nobody I know personally has seen an apparition. Some guys I have never met, in various places and at various times have said they have seen the mother of the Lord. Do you need a list?

The Ultimate Guide to Marian Apparitions - Ascension Press Media