Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

guevaraj · Dec 4, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Are you talking about God's laws in their new form?

Brother, all the laws that show our sin, such as: "You must not covet", whether the creator says it before the incarnation or after the incarnation, are not fulfilled in us until we stop sinning. The law is not sin! After the law shows our sin, the sin does not go away until we obey the law. Even if you remove the law later, the sin remains because the law is not sin, it just shows it and "you can't unring that bell"! Once the law shows your sin, there is no way to hide it. Even if taken away is the law, the sin remains. You need Jesus to remove your past sins by transferring them to Satan in His growth cycle of forgiveness until separated is all sin from our character, as a child learns to walk through repeated attempts until he walks without falling. The illustrative animal sacrifices show this repeated cycle of forgiveness until separated is all sin from our character as a child learns to walk, thanks to Jesus allowing us to get back up by forgiving us our past sins. Without the work of Jesus to forgive our past sins as our High Priest in the heavenly temple, this growth cycle is not possible with the law alone. That is why the law kills and the Spirit gives life by empowering you through this forgiving cycle of growth.

Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.” (Romans 7:7 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 4, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, all the laws that show our sin, such as: "You must not covet", whether the creator says it before the incarnation or after the incarnation, are not fulfilled in us until we stop sinning. The law is not sin! After the law shows our sin, the sin does not go away until we obey the law. Even if you remove the law later, the sin remains because the law is not sin, it just shows it and "you can't unring that bell"! Once the law shows your sin, there is no way to hide it. Even if taken away is the law, the sin remains. You need Jesus to remove your past sins by transferring them to Satan in His growth cycle of forgiveness until separated is all sin from our character, as a child learns to walk through repeated attempts until he walks without falling. The illustrative animal sacrifices show this repeated cycle of forgiveness until separated is all sin from our character as a child learns to walk, thanks to Jesus allowing us to get back up by forgiving us our past sins. Without the work of Jesus to forgive our past sins as our High Priest in the heavenly temple, this growth cycle is not possible with the law alone. That is why the law kills and the Spirit gives life by empowering you through this forgiving cycle of growth.

Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.” (Romans 7:7 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

My brother, this came to mind after reading your post

Indeed, we all make many mistakes. For if we could control our tongues, we would be perfect and could also control ourselves in every other way. NLV
James 3 NLT

guevaraj · Dec 5, 2021

Leaf473 said:
My brother, this came to mind after reading your post: Indeed, we all make many mistakes. For if we could control our tongues, we would be perfect and could also control ourselves in every other way. NLV James 3 NLT

Brother, God created us, He knows how we can affect the change we want in our character: from disobedient to obedient. Like any difficult skill to master, we can not will to control our selves from the first try, but we can affect the change we want through repeated attempts. Knowing this, Jesus provides what we need in His daily work as our High Priest in the heavenly temple to forgive our past sins and give us as many opportunities as we need to reach the goal of changing our character. Growing from disobedient to obedient is like learning the piano, you do not master the piano from the first try, it takes many attempts to master it.

Here is the main point: We have a High Priest who sat down in the place of honor beside the throne of the majestic God in heaven. There he ministers in the heavenly Tabernacle, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands. And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law. They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain.” (Hebrews 8:1-5 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 5, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, God created us, He knows how we can affect the change we want in our character: from disobedient to obedient. Like any difficult skill to master, we can not will to control our selves from the first try, but we can affect the change we want through repeated attempts. Knowing this, Jesus provides what we need in His daily work as our High Priest in the heavenly temple to forgive our past sins and give us as many opportunities as we need to reach the goal of changing our character. Growing from disobedient to obedient is like learning the piano, you do not master the piano from the first try, it takes many attempts to master it.

Here is the main point: We have a High Priest who sat down in the place of honor beside the throne of the majestic God in heaven. There he ministers in the heavenly Tabernacle, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands. And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law. They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain.” (Hebrews 8:1-5 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I don't know of any Christians who actually counsel disobedience, so we're on the same page there.

The part of your theology I don't get is the idea of "just one commandment at a time".

Suppose there was a young woman who was addicted to drugs. She supported her habit by stealing and prostitution. Would God actually say to her, "First work on keeping the sabbath. For now, keep on stealing and committing adultery"?

guevaraj · Dec 5, 2021

Leaf473 said:
I don't know of any Christians who actually counsel disobedience, so we're on the same page there. The part of your theology I don't get is the idea of "just one commandment at a time". Suppose there was a young woman who was addicted to drugs. She supported her habit by stealing and prostitution. Would God actually say to her, "First work on keeping the sabbath. For now, keep on stealing and committing adultery"?

Brother, consider the story of Rahab. She believed that the Lord would give the land to Israel. She helped the Lord in His current work by hiding the Israelite spies and God rewarded her without her having to change her life first, as she sided with God in His current effort.

Before the spies went to sleep that night, Rahab went up on the roof to talk with them. “I know the LORD has given you this land,” she told them. “We are all afraid of you. Everyone in the land is living in terror. For we have heard how the LORD made a dry path for you through the Red Sea when you left Egypt. And we know what you did to Sihon and Og, the two Amorite kings east of the Jordan River, whose people you completely destroyed. No wonder our hearts have melted in fear! No one has the courage to fight after hearing such things. For the LORD your God is the supreme God of the heavens above and the earth below. “Now swear to me by the LORD that you will be kind to me and my family since I have helped you. Give me some guarantee that when Jericho is conquered, you will let me live, along with my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all their families.” “We offer our own lives as a guarantee for your safety,” the men agreed. “If you don’t betray us, we will keep our promise and be kind to you when the LORD gives us the land.” (Joshua 2:8-14 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 5, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, consider the story of Rahab. She believed that the Lord would give the land to Israel. She helped the Lord in His current work by hiding the Israelite spies and God rewarded her without her having to change her life first, as she sided with God in His current effort.

Before the spies went to sleep that night, Rahab went up on the roof to talk with them. “I know the LORD has given you this land,” she told them. “We are all afraid of you. Everyone in the land is living in terror. For we have heard how the LORD made a dry path for you through the Red Sea when you left Egypt. And we know what you did to Sihon and Og, the two Amorite kings east of the Jordan River, whose people you completely destroyed. No wonder our hearts have melted in fear! No one has the courage to fight after hearing such things. For the LORD your God is the supreme God of the heavens above and the earth below. “Now swear to me by the LORD that you will be kind to me and my family since I have helped you. Give me some guarantee that when Jericho is conquered, you will let me live, along with my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all their families.” “We offer our own lives as a guarantee for your safety,” the men agreed. “If you don’t betray us, we will keep our promise and be kind to you when the LORD gives us the land.” (Joshua 2:8-14 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I think Rahab sided with God having only a vague knowledge of what God required.

Christians today have the entire Bible. I have read the instructions in it many times myself, and I'm sure you have as well.

So Rahab isn't really a good parallel to Christians imo.

Are you saying God gives everyone a waiver on every sin except the fourth commandment at the beginning?

guevaraj · Dec 6, 2021

Leaf473 said:
I think Rahab sided with God having only a vague knowledge of what God required. Christians today have the entire Bible. I have read the instructions in it many times myself, and I'm sure you have as well. So Rahab isn't really a good parallel to Christians imo. Are you saying God gives everyone a waiver on every sin except the fourth commandment at the beginning?

Brother, I'm saying that God rewards you for taking His side in His current effort, because He knows that you will need His help to grow further and He wants to help you for helping Him. Consider the story of the thief on the cross, when read is the word of God every Sabbath. He believed that the death of Jesus was a great injustice, because Jesus was not a sinner like him. Like Rahab, he also sided with God in His current effort to offer an innocent "lamb" for our salvation and God rewarded him without him having to change his life first, as he sided with God in His current effort.

Two others, both criminals, were led out to be executed with him. When they came to a place called The Skull, they nailed him to the cross. And the criminals were also crucified—one on his right and one on his left. Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.” And the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice. The crowd watched and the leaders scoffed. “He saved others,” they said, “let him save himself if he is really God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.” The soldiers mocked him, too, by offering him a drink of sour wine. They called out to him, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!” A sign was fastened above him with these words: “This is the King of the Jews.” One of the criminals hanging beside him scoffed, “So you’re the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving yourself—and us, too, while you’re at it!” But the other criminal protested, “Don’t you fear God even when you have been sentenced to die? We deserve to die for our crimes, but this man hasn’t done anything wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:32-43 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, I'm saying that God rewards you for taking His side in His current effort, because He knows that you will need His help to grow further and He wants to help you for helping Him. Consider the story of the thief on the cross, when read is the word of God every Sabbath. He believed that the death of Jesus was a great injustice, because Jesus was not a sinner like him. Like Rahab, he also sided with God in His current effort to offer an innocent "lamb" for our salvation and God rewarded him without him having to change his life first, as he sided with God in His current effort.

Two others, both criminals, were led out to be executed with him. When they came to a place called The Skull, they nailed him to the cross. And the criminals were also crucified—one on his right and one on his left. Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.” And the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice. The crowd watched and the leaders scoffed. “He saved others,” they said, “let him save himself if he is really God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.” The soldiers mocked him, too, by offering him a drink of sour wine. They called out to him, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!” A sign was fastened above him with these words: “This is the King of the Jews.” One of the criminals hanging beside him scoffed, “So you’re the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving yourself—and us, too, while you’re at it!” But the other criminal protested, “Don’t you fear God even when you have been sentenced to die? We deserve to die for our crimes, but this man hasn’t done anything wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:32-43 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I agree that God rewards us for siding with him in his current effort.

Are you saying that God wants us to continue stealing and prostituting so that we can focus on the fourth commandment at this time?

guevaraj · Dec 6, 2021

Leaf473 said:
I agree that God rewards us for siding with him in his current effort. Are you saying that God wants us to continue stealing and prostituting so that we can focus on the fourth commandment at this time?

Brother, if you sin, don't despair because God has provided a way for you to purify yourself through the daily service in the heavenly temple with Jesus as our High Priest. Like Job's "regular" practice, cleanse yourself of your sin by turning the sin over to our High Priest to transfer as Job did for his children over and over as often as necessary.

Job’s sons would take turns preparing feasts in their homes, and they would also invite their three sisters to celebrate with them. When these celebrations ended—sometimes after several days—Job would purify his children. He would get up early in the morning and offer a burnt offering for each of them. For Job said to himself, “Perhaps my children have sinned and have cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular practice. (Job 1:4-5 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, if you sin, don't despair because God has provided a way for you to purify yourself through the daily service in the heavenly temple with Jesus as our High Priest. Like Job's "regular" practice, cleanse yourself of your sin by turning the sin over to our High Priest to transfer as Job did for his children over and over as often as necessary.

Job’s sons would take turns preparing feasts in their homes, and they would also invite their three sisters to celebrate with them. When these celebrations ended—sometimes after several days—Job would purify his children. He would get up early in the morning and offer a burnt offering for each of them. For Job said to himself, “Perhaps my children have sinned and have cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular practice. (Job 1:4-5 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

My brother, I sense that you don't really want to answer.

Shall we stop?

guevaraj · Dec 6, 2021

Leaf473 said:
My brother, I sense that you don't really want to answer. Shall we stop?

Brother, I answered! You can deal with sin in two ways: stop sinning by obeying the law or confess your sin in prayer to our High Priest to transfer sin as often as daily. If you can't stop sinning, you can certainly turn to God in prayer for "forgiveness" and "cleansing" every day until you find a way to separate from sin. How difficult is it to pray, when before you had to kill a lamb?

If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts. My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world. (1 John 1:8-2:2 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 7, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, I answered! You can deal with sin in two ways: stop sinning by obeying the law or confess your sin in prayer to our High Priest to transfer sin as often as daily. If you can't stop sinning, you can certainly turn to God in prayer for "forgiveness" and "cleansing" every day until you find a way to separate from sin. How difficult is it to pray, when before you had to kill a lamb?

If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts. My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world. (1 John 1:8-2:2 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You responded, but didn't answer.

The question was:
Are you saying that God wants us to continue stealing and prostituting so that we can focus on the fourth commandment at this time?

So, is your answer Yes? God does want us to continue stealing and prostituting at the beginning so that we can focus on the fourth commandment?

guevaraj · Dec 7, 2021

Leaf473 said:
You responded, but didn't answer. The question was: Are you saying that God wants us to continue stealing and prostituting so that we can focus on the fourth commandment at this time? So, is your answer Yes? God does want us to continue stealing and prostituting at the beginning so that we can focus on the fourth commandment?

Brother, no! God does not want you to continue sinning, although He is understanding and patient in helping you turn away from your sin.

If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts. My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world. (1 John 1:8-2:2 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 7, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, no! God does not want you to continue sinning, although He is understanding and patient in helping you turn away from your sin.

If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts. My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world. (1 John 1:8-2:2 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Good! I agree.

So God does want us to focus on laws in addition to the fourth commandment even at the beginning.

guevaraj · Dec 8, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Good! I agree. So God does want us to focus on laws in addition to the fourth commandment even at the beginning.

Brother, that wasn't the case with the thief on the cross. The thief confessed his sin in comparing himself to Jesus, the other option in dealing with sin through our High Priest besides obeying the law not to sin. In summary, Jesus rewarded Him with salvation without having to change his life other than to confess his sin to Jesus and side with God in His current effort. He believed that Jesus was not a sinner like him as he saw God offering an innocent "lamb" for our salvation. Would you rather work your own salvation by obeying the law or confess your sin to God in prayer and side with God in His current effort to restore the truth of His "rest" from human tradition since Joshua? If you side with the Lord, you will not have time to sin because his helpers are few and all sharing falls to a few to prepare those who will see the return of Jesus.

Two others, both criminals, were led out to be executed with him. When they came to a place called The Skull, they nailed him to the cross. And the criminals were also crucified—one on his right and one on his left. Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.” And the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice. The crowd watched and the leaders scoffed. “He saved others,” they said, “let him save himself if he is really God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.” The soldiers mocked him, too, by offering him a drink of sour wine. They called out to him, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!” A sign was fastened above him with these words: “This is the King of the Jews.” One of the criminals hanging beside him scoffed, “So you’re the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving yourself—and us, too, while you’re at it!” But the other criminal protested, “Don’t you fear God even when you have been sentenced to die? We deserve to die for our crimes, but this man hasn’t done anything wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:32-43 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 8, 2021

guevaraj said:
Would you rather work your own salvation by obeying the law or confess your sin to God in prayer and side with God in His current effort to restore the truth of His "rest" from human tradition since Joshua?

Oh I'd much rather confess my sin to God in prayer and side with Him in His current effort to restore and proclaim all of His truth than worry about obeying the law.

I think that's what Jesus was getting at when He talked about fulfilling the Law and the Prophets.

guevaraj · Dec 13, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Oh I'd much rather confess my sin to God in prayer and side with Him in His current effort to restore and proclaim all of His truth than worry about obeying the law.

Brother, like God's truth taught in the Promised Land of how to remember His "rest" on the seventh day of creation week in Hebrews 3 and 4. I share this truth because I obey it! Our prophetess has written that the Sabbath will separate those who obey God from those who do not when Jesus returns. As God told us beforehand in Hebrews 3 and 4!

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)

Leaf473 said:
I think that's what Jesus was getting at when He talked about fulfilling the Law and the Prophets.

What Jesus was rejecting is the idea that His sacrifice eliminates the law of God or the law of Moses! His sacrifice is to keep the law while He provides a way to save His children from Satan tempting our first parents to rebel. God has found a way shown in the temple to reverse Satan's contribution and restore us to our former holiness before Satan polluted our world with His rebellion.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 14, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, like God's truth taught in the Promised Land of how to remember His "rest" on the seventh day of creation week in Hebrews 3 and 4. I share this truth because I obey it! Our prophetess has written that the Sabbath will separate those who obey God from those who do not when Jesus returns. As God told us beforehand in Hebrews 3 and 4!

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)

What Jesus was rejecting is the idea that His sacrifice eliminates the law of God or the law of Moses! His sacrifice is to keep the law while He provides a way to save His children from Satan tempting our first parents to rebel. God has found a way shown in the temple to reverse Satan's contribution and restore us to our former holiness before Satan polluted our world with His rebellion.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

When you say:

guevaraj said:
His sacrifice is to keep the law...

Are you saying God wants us to keep the entire law of Moses?

guevaraj · Dec 14, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Are you saying God wants us to keep the entire law of Moses?

Brother, I mean all the laws that show sin, like "you must not covet".

Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.” (Romans 7:7 NLT)

The New Testament is more demanding than the Old Testament on these laws that show sin. Given the faster forgiveness cycle with our High Priest in the heavenly temple, we can more easily deal with more sins than before possible with animal sacrifices.

“You have heard the commandment that says, ‘You must not commit adultery.’ But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. (Matthew 5:27-30 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Leaf473 · Dec 15, 2021

guevaraj said:
Brother, I mean all the laws that show sin, like "you must not covet".

Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.” (Romans 7:7 NLT)

The New Testament is more demanding than the Old Testament on these laws that show sin. Given the faster forgiveness cycle with our High Priest in the heavenly temple, we can more easily deal with more sins than before possible with animal sacrifices.

“You have heard the commandment that says, ‘You must not commit adultery.’ But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. (Matthew 5:27-30 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Okay... Are there some laws that don't show sin, then?

Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

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