Is All Life Wanted?

Hello @anoymous51, starting at the end of your post, I'm interested in knowing why you are making the argument that you did in your last sentence, because it could be taken to mean that you believe Jews deserve to suffer. If that's the argument that you are making, why do you think that's true? Thanks!

As for the argument of unwanted children, we adopted our son 23 years ago this coming Saturday. At the time we were told by our adoption agency not to get our hopes up too high, because for every baby available in the US for adoption at that time, there were 100+ qualified adoptive parents who wanted to adopt (him or her).

This was at a time when there were almost no single parent and/or LGBTQ+ adoptions happening, so I suspect that the number of available parents looking to adopt a baby today is even greater than it was 23 years ago (when my wife and I decided to try to adopt).

The long and the short of it is this, there are NO unwanted babies (even babies with problems of one kind or another will always find parents who very much want to adopt, love and support them). We, in fact, need more birth moms to put their newborns up for adoption (rather than aborting them) as there is a GREAT desire for more babies to adopt (as I hope the stats have already made clear to you). So, no birth mom should ever worry that her baby will be "unwanted" and, therefore, better off aborted, as they will always find an adoptive family to love them and a home for them to grow up in

As for suffering, all people suffer to one degree or another, it seems to our lot in life (in this one anyway). I believe that it would be far better to leave the decision to live or to die up to the individual in the womb when they are old enough to make that decision (don't you?), rather than having the audacity to believe that we can make a decision of that magnitude for them

God bless you

--David

anoymous51 said:

What this person said kind of shocked my and challenged my beliefs. He said that maybe black people should not be born if they have to suffer racism and discrimination in all of its ugly forms. After that, I started thinking is all life truly wanted if it has to suffer discrimination and persecution over something that they have no control over.

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It depends where one starts from.
As a Christian we beleve that human life is in Gods image and as such is valuable.
If atheistic rvolution is ones starting point then racist beliefs are for them rational.

There are definitely, without any questions, times when a fetus must be aborted. Primarily, some fetuses are unable to function on their own if the pregnancy goes to term. A baby with malformed lungs, for example, that will be unable to breathe, or one without kidneys. The other condition is when there is a real possibility that the mother would not survive either the pregnancy or the birth.

These are among the many conditions that a pregnancy should be terminated for medical reasons. And this doesn't even touch on the problems of pregnancies due to rape and/or incest.

anoymous51 said:

The overturning of Roe V Wade will not immediately mean the end of all abortion. It will just go to the states.

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While abortion was illegal in the United States, people were killing their own unborn children. It was not stopped by being illegal.

I was told that a number of women even died trying to do their own abortions. They were that desperate, that they were willing to risk dying trying to do their own illegal abortions.

pescador said:

There are definitely, without any questions, times when a fetus must be aborted. Primarily, some fetuses are unable to function on their own if the pregnancy goes to term. A baby with malformed lungs, for example, that will be unable to breathe, or one without kidneys. The other condition is when there is a real possibility that the mother would not survive either the pregnancy or the birth.

These are among the many conditions that a pregnancy should be terminated for medical reasons. And this doesn't even touch on the problems of pregnancies due to rape and/or incest.

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Here's the thing Pescador, abortions performed because of a possible medical necessity (IOW, the health or the life of the mother), rape and/or incest, amount to less than 1% of the now approximately 2 billion abortions that we know have been performed (worldwide) since Roe.

The other 99% of the abortions performed each year are never addressed, well, by those on the Pro-Choice side of things anyway (which I suppose is hardly surprising).

The question posed by the OP is, "Is All Life Wanted?". The answer to that question, at least up until this point in time, is a resounding, "YES".

God bless you!

--David
p.s. - there is an answer, for moms who 1. become pregnant due to rape and/or incest, but who 2. cannot or do not want to keep their unborn child (but who do not want to have to kill them .. their unborn child being totally innocent of the crime that was committed against them), and that answer is adoption

pescador said:

There are definitely, without any questions, times when a fetus must be aborted. Primarily, some fetuses are unable to function on their own if the pregnancy goes to term. A baby with malformed lungs, for example, that will be unable to breathe, or one without kidneys. The other condition is when there is a real possibility that the mother would not survive either the pregnancy or the birth.

These are among the many conditions that a pregnancy should be terminated for medical reasons. And this doesn't even touch on the problems of pregnancies due to rape and/or incest.

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The US has aborted approximately 63 Million babies since Abortion on Demand became Law in 1973.
About 0.5% are from rape - that accounts for around 315,000.
About 7.0% are health related - which accounts for around 4,441,000.

1,890,000 + 315,000 = 2,205,000. Which still leaves 56 + Million.

Percentage Reason
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Tolworth John said:

It depends where one starts from.
As a Christian we beleve that human life is in Gods image and as such is valuable.
If atheistic rvolution is ones starting point then racist beliefs are for them rational.

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This is false. Evolution is not a rational basis for racism. It is not atheistic either, evolution says nothing about a belief in a god or not. It could be that a god designed evolution. The evidence that evolution is true is overwhelmingly good.

As an atheist I believe human life is valuable too. Christians don't have the monopoly on that belief.

Clizby WampusCat said:

This is false. Evolution is not a rational basis for racism. It is not atheistic either, evolution says nothing about a belief in a god or not. It could be that a god designed evolution. The evidence that evolution is true is overwhelmingly good.

As an atheist I believe human life is valuable too. Christians don't have the monopoly on that belief.

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Darwin argued that the advanced civilised white races would drive out the less evolved black races.
Look at the illistration showing the acent of man, it starts with black apes and ends with white man.

Evolution was devisedby people who were racist, has been and still is used by racists to justify there racism.

There is nothing in evolution that says that racism is wrong.

Also is explaining that there is no need for a creator God it is atheistic.

Tolworth John said:

Darwin argued that the advanced civilised white races would drive out the less evolved black races.

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That has nothing to do with evolutionary theory today.

Look at the illistration showing the acent of man, it starts with black apes and ends with white man.

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So what, that picture is wrong anyway. Evolution is just evolution. It makes no moral judgements.

Evolution was devisedby people who were racist, has been and still is used by racists to justify there racism.

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Evolution was discovered not devised. It does not matter what people thought about race as to the validity of evolution. The overwhelming good evidence is what supports the theory.

There is nothing in evolution that says that racism is wrong.

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Correct. It is not a theory about race. There is nothing in the theory of gravity that says that racism is wrong either.

Also is explaining that there is no need for a creator God it is atheistic.

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Evolution does not say anything about a creator god. A god could exist and evolution is true as well. If evolution is true then the bible is incorrect on the creation of humans. Plenty of religious people including most Christians in the world believe that evolution is real.

Clizby WampusCat said:

Evolution is just evolution. It makes no moral judgements.

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And as a result is used by those who want 'science' to back up there beliefs, which if one looks at history has been tojustify mass killing.

Tolworth John said:

And as a result is used by those who want 'science' to back up there beliefs, which if one looks at history has been tojustify mass killing.

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Ok, that is on them not science or evolution. Religion has been used to justify mass killings as well.