Actually that is not a problem of my view at all. I agree completely. In fact you will note I have been arguing they are completed by the first century, which Adventists deny. But then Ellen White says that satan pays the final penalty for our sins, which she sees completed at his death. So while I have consistently said the blood sacrifice was done by the first century, Ellen White still has satan bearing the penalty. When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, must bear the final penalty.
No that is not what was shared with you at all. You micro-quoting my comments and taking them out of context does not support your view. As already shown through the scriptures I believe your mixing up the
daily ministration of the Priesthood and sin sacrifice for the individual sins of the people of God with the
yearly ministration of the Priesthood (great day of atonement) for the collective final atonement of Gods' people through "the Lords goat" and the removal of all sin from the presence of God through "the scapegoat" who pays the final penalty for all sin which has been atoned for by "
the Lords goat". Note, it is "the scapegoat" that is kept alive until the 1000 years and then after the 1000 years are completed all the wicked are cast into the lake of fire to atone for their own sins.
Yes, Hebrews 1:3 notes He made purification for sins in the first century.
No. Jesus made blood sacrifice through his death on the cross
opening the way into the Holy places of the heavenly Sanctuary so that sin atonement could be made in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man. As shown through the scriptures already sitting down at the right hand of God is being seated at the right hand of God in power and status.
Hebrews 9:6-12
[6], Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
[7], But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
[8], The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
[9], Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
[10], Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
[11], But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
[12], Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:19-26
[19], For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[20], Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God has enjoined to you.
[21], Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[22], And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
[23], It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24], For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
[25], Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place every year with blood of others;
[26], For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world has he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Jesus death on the cross in the first century simply opened up the way for him to start His work in the heavenly Sanctuary under the new covenant in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus is now our great high Priest who ever liveth to make intercession for us *see Hebrews 7:1-25.
Of course not, because the scapegoat isn't showing more sacrifice in my view, only in Ellen White's view where satan pays the final penalty. When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, must bear the final penalty. I see Jesus as finishing the blood work in the first century, atoning for sins, and the later work is removing all the taint that sin caused from His kingdom.
Of course not. As posted earlier your view trying to make Jesus as "the scapegoat" is not biblical. This is because "the scapegoat" does not make blood atonement and it is kept alive
after blood atonement has been made by "the Lords goat". As shown from the scriptures earlier, both goats have a different role in the yearly atonement in the yearly ministration of the great day of atonement.
Only "the Lords goat" was for blood sacrifice for the final atonement and the cleansing of the Sanctuary from all the sins of Gods' people brought into the sanctuary throughout the daily ministration of the Priesthood. Final atonement through blood sacrifice was already completed before "the scapegoat" was brought into the presence of God to make final atonement with God *see Leviticus 16:10; Leviticus 16:20-22). The scapegoat was for the removal of all sin from the presence of God that was led away into the wilderness (desert) by a strong man.
This has no application to the work and ministration of Jesus and you have not been able to show this from scripture. The final penalty of the sins of God's people are carried out through "the Lords goat" not the scapegoat as it is kept alive and led captive into the wilderness until it finally atones for all sin that is transferred onto it from Jesus as our great High Priest. (Hebrews 7:1-25; Leviticus 16:20-22). A view that makes Jesus the scapegoat is not only unbiblical and not supported by the scriptures it makes a mockery of blood sacrifice and atonement of Jesus and his death on the cross for our sins.
LoveGodsWord wrote: Christs sacrifice however and blood atonement for all of God's people was complete, finished by the time all sin was transferred to transferred to "the scapegoat" by the Great High Priest (Jesus). No supplement, no other sacrifice, could be required. - "
When he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting and the altar, he shall bring the live goat" (
Leviticus 16:20).
your response here...
Agreed, which is exactly why Ellen White speaking of satan paying the final penalty is so egregious. When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, must bear the final penalty.
Not really. I do not read it the way you are trying to read it or wish to read it. In application to Leviticus 16, Satan as "the scapegoat" as perfect application after the final atonement of Gods' people and the cleansing of the sanctuary is completed. At this time "the scapegoat" is brought in to make atonement for with God and the Great high Priest (Jesus) confesses all the sins of Gods' people and all sin is then transferred onto the scapegoat.
All sin is then removed from the presence of God and "the scapegoat" is led away from the presence of God into the wilderness by a strong man. I see this as the fulfillment of the second coming Revelation 22:11-15 and the scriptures of Revelation 20:1-3 where an angel will lead Satan away captive into the bottomless pit for 1000 years and Gods people are delivered. After the 1000 years however all the wicked including Satan and his angels are thrown into the lake of fire to atone for their sins and all sin and death are finally destroyed and the earth is made new. So at the end Satan who has all the sins of God's people transferred to him pays the penalty of all sin in the Lake of fire.
I have considered it. I note both were for a sin offering. And satan cannot be a sin offering. He could not be represented by a ceremonially clean animal.
Then what is your problem? Both are indeed sin offerings. They are not really Jesus or not really Satan only representations of them. "The Lords goat" representing Christ through sin sacrifice through blood atonement is different to "the scapegoat" who has all sin transferred to and is
kept alive to remove all sin from the presence of God and led captive by a strong man into the wilderness that eventually atones for all sin in the lake of fire. Your view here that Jesus is "the scapegoat" is not supported by scripture.
Note, I do not claim satan is a blood atonement. But I do note the text says the scapegoat makes atonement
I think you are missing the point here. I only state this because it is only blood sacrifice that purchases the sins of God' people by both paying the penalty for sin (death) and the blood being collected by the Priest interceding on our behalf receiving Gods' forgiveness. This is the many reasons shown from the scriptures, why "the scapegoat"
does not represents Christ.
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Ok the rest of your post is repetition of the above so will stop here.
Take Care
