The falling away, is primarily Israel, not the nations (but the nations must be ready)..

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Hi there,

So yes, just to allay the fears of some, I know Jesus said the tribulation would test all flesh, but it is important to put that in context: the Cross of Jesus tested all flesh, our generation has not fallen further away. They will be tested further, but they will not continue to fall away. This is the doing of the Holy Spirit, but it is in sense a mystery.

That mystery is a mystery of the nations, Israel will be tested first (as a nation) and other nations will be tested in spirit (as nations) and some will be tested in truth (being the spirits of nations). This will play out slowly, the mark will come, but not to every nation, the faith of those who are ready to die, in truth, will advance with one name - the name of Jesus, in mind - surrendering in unison, that if the anti-Christ wants to take one of them, then of God, he is free to take them. They will not take the mark, spiritually.

This surrender - not taking the mark, but being ready to die - will divert the anti-Christ's attention elsewhere, at first, but ultimately, finding no difference throughout the Earth, he will turn to Israel. At the sight of this, the Church will fall away, but in principle from Israel, not the nations (those that prove themselves in the face of his test). This is a spiritual sign, that the lives of those that remain in Israel, will not be tested for all time, but for a season, that the payment of blood and water, spirit and testimony, be fulfilled. This is not for the trangression of the Law, but the proving of Israel's Law, that they may believe as the anti-Christ does, which they will reject, in the Spirit of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of the Holy Spirit, will prepare people's hearts and minds, for this test, it will not cause panic, the leaders of the nations will begin to wait patiently, for Israel to come to an end - they will even be the first, to be recognized in Israel, having passed the test - it has every potential of going on too long, but this is the work of God, that no man doubt that God would pay, if Christ had not already done so. Some nations will develop their own mark, men will continue to get tattoos, some will simply speak as though the mark was there in the saying of it - but all these things will not interfere with God's timing, AND HE WILL COME. Woe to those who think nothing of God's Wrath, over a mere sign - a sign that only a wicked and evil generation would seek.

The time is coming when Jesus will speak for Himself, about the mark and the guillotine - may we be ready to surrender as He calls us to.

Yours Sincerely,
GS.
 

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The falling away, is primarily Israel, not the nations (but the nations must be ready)..
What is there for Israel ... to "fall away" from ???
 
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A large part of this falling away is when people believe and accept deceptions as being the truth. These are days of great deception and we need to test if what we are being told is true to scripture, we also need to be aware that there are often quite significant differences between different bible versions and that we should choose our bibles very carefully.

It is also very helpful to read both the old and new testaments of the bible as they both shed light on things, which we are to understand. I find it very helpful to have margin notes, which tell me where something in the new testament is quoted from the old and I like to look up both portions to be able to compare the two, as this is often very helpful to my understanding.

There is a very big difference between reading books about the bible and reading what the bible has to say directly. The best commentary you can get on the bible is the bible itself. Also the best road map for you to live your life is the bible, but make sure that it is a trustworthy version, so that you won't be easily deceived.
 
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Hi there,

So yes, just to allay the fears of some, I know Jesus said the tribulation would test all flesh, but it is important to put that in context: the Cross of Jesus tested all flesh, our generation has not fallen further away. They will be tested further, but they will not continue to fall away. This is the doing of the Holy Spirit, but it is in sense a mystery.

That mystery is a mystery of the nations, Israel will be tested first (as a nation) and other nations will be tested in spirit (as nations) and some will be tested in truth (being the spirits of nations). This will play out slowly, the mark will come, but not to every nation, the faith of those who are ready to die, in truth, will advance with one name - the name of Jesus, in mind - surrendering in unison, that if the anti-Christ wants to take one of them, then of God, he is free to take them. They will not take the mark, spiritually.

This surrender - not taking the mark, but being ready to die - will divert the anti-Christ's attention elsewhere, at first, but ultimately, finding no difference throughout the Earth, he will turn to Israel. At the sight of this, the Church will fall away, but in principle from Israel, not the nations (those that prove themselves in the face of his test). This is a spiritual sign, that the lives of those that remain in Israel, will not be tested for all time, but for a season, that the payment of blood and water, spirit and testimony, be fulfilled. This is not for the trangression of the Law, but the proving of Israel's Law, that they may believe as the anti-Christ does, which they will reject, in the Spirit of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of the Holy Spirit, will prepare people's hearts and minds, for this test, it will not cause panic, the leaders of the nations will begin to wait patiently, for Israel to come to an end - they will even be the first, to be recognized in Israel, having passed the test - it has every potential of going on too long, but this is the work of God, that no man doubt that God would pay, if Christ had not already done so. Some nations will develop their own mark, men will continue to get tattoos, some will simply speak as though the mark was there in the saying of it - but all these things will not interfere with God's timing, AND HE WILL COME. Woe to those who think nothing of God's Wrath, over a mere sign - a sign that only a wicked and evil generation would seek.

The time is coming when Jesus will speak for Himself, about the mark and the guillotine - may we be ready to surrender as He calls us to.

Yours Sincerely,
GS.
Israel has a lower divorce rate than the U.S. and some churches.
 
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A dead "Heaven".

Without the risen Christ, everything but falling falls.

We have the promise of rising again, but not as we were.

They are already fallen. This does not make sense.
 
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You all just don't understand. It is the psudochristians that will fall away.There are people who say they are Christians but deny the diety of Jesus Christ. There are people who say they are Christian but do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit. There are people who say they are Christian but have no relationship with the risen Christ or even want to be possessed by the Holy Spirit. But, the Bible is plain.
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

So, to guard against falling away, be full of the Spirit of God.
 
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Hi there,

So yes, just to allay the fears of some, I know Jesus said the tribulation would test all flesh, but it is important to put that in context: the Cross of Jesus tested all flesh, our generation has not fallen further away. They will be tested further, but they will not continue to fall away. This is the doing of the Holy Spirit, but it is in sense a mystery.

That mystery is a mystery of the nations, Israel will be tested first (as a nation) and other nations will be tested in spirit (as nations) and some will be tested in truth (being the spirits of nations). This will play out slowly, the mark will come, but not to every nation, the faith of those who are ready to die, in truth, will advance with one name - the name of Jesus, in mind - surrendering in unison, that if the anti-Christ wants to take one of them, then of God, he is free to take them. They will not take the mark, spiritually.

This surrender - not taking the mark, but being ready to die - will divert the anti-Christ's attention elsewhere, at first, but ultimately, finding no difference throughout the Earth, he will turn to Israel. At the sight of this, the Church will fall away, but in principle from Israel, not the nations (those that prove themselves in the face of his test). This is a spiritual sign, that the lives of those that remain in Israel, will not be tested for all time, but for a season, that the payment of blood and water, spirit and testimony, be fulfilled. This is not for the trangression of the Law, but the proving of Israel's Law, that they may believe as the anti-Christ does, which they will reject, in the Spirit of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of the Holy Spirit, will prepare people's hearts and minds, for this test, it will not cause panic, the leaders of the nations will begin to wait patiently, for Israel to come to an end - they will even be the first, to be recognized in Israel, having passed the test - it has every potential of going on too long, but this is the work of God, that no man doubt that God would pay, if Christ had not already done so. Some nations will develop their own mark, men will continue to get tattoos, some will simply speak as though the mark was there in the saying of it - but all these things will not interfere with God's timing, AND HE WILL COME. Woe to those who think nothing of God's Wrath, over a mere sign - a sign that only a wicked and evil generation would seek.

The time is coming when Jesus will speak for Himself, about the mark and the guillotine - may we be ready to surrender as He calls us to.

Yours Sincerely,
GS.
The article in the Greek means that "the falling away"/apostasia is referring to a particular event that occurs, and must occur, before the man of sin can be revealed. For a general idea of what this is, its basically a unified rejection of God and His Word as seen in Genesis 11 with the building of the Tower of Babel. God sent the flood to destroy mankind, and following the "reboot" of mankind, their response was to rebel & build a tower that reached into the heavens, as if it could be built high enough to avoid a second flood(which of course in their ignorance, they didn't seem to know that God promised never to flood the whole earth again). So I would think that it would follow a similar manifestation of trying to rebel against/replace God, which will ultimately fail.
 
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