I'm supposed to believe that if I use a crutch, my Evolution is "over"? I can no longer adapt, the way the rest of the species is adapted?
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I am one of many.
Christians.
We are of one mind, together: a population.
How my brother evolves, I evolve?
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This forum is supposed to be discussing creation and evolution by natural selection. Your posts do not appear to discuss either.
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The ability to invent, build, and utilize crutches is the result of evolution. Our unique dexterity, intellect, and social connectedness in the animal kingdom has allowed us to develop technology that “adapts” us to problems in our environment and our own bodies that would otherwise prevent us from reproducing.
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You are confusing belief with scientific evidence.
It sounds like that your theory is something along the lines of "if you don't know everything, you know nothing.
Let's go with your metaphor of a bat and ball. It sounds like you want to play the game but don't want to do so with evidence.
I think the question of "mutually eliminating" is a philosophical one. There are many religious evolutionary scientists from all religions but there are also areas where evolution and creation conflict. I think the Catholic church has an optimal approach by not taking an official position on the theory of creation or evolution, leaving the specifics of either theistic evolution or literal creationism to the individual.
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That's what a lie is: knowingly stating a falsehood.
No, that isn't evolution works and that isn't how discovering evolution works.
Also, you are forgetting:
evolution isn't a choice
adaption isn't a choice
individuals don't evolve
individuals don't have an evolution
Humans learning about evolution isn't evolution.
The theory of evolution is the scientific explanation of the physical process of evolution.
Studying and defining the process is not the same as the process happening.
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Well... you obviously dont understand christianity either.
So what DO you understand?
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Come on guys: this is really easy...
...if crutches evolve, why do they need to be tailored to the height of the person using them?
The whole point is that evolving one way, does not eliminate creating another?
...if crutches evolve, why do they need to be tailored to the height of the person using them?
The whole point is that evolving one way, does not eliminate creating another?
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I am using conjecture, to tease out the possibility that "Evolution" might be interpreted differently - depending on how it is believed ("everything's relative" so people say, does that not apply to "Evolution"?).
That is what I have been at pains to say is not how Evolution and Creation work: one does not eliminate the other. Even if I peg you on something you don't know, by the same token it can be said "Creation should be ready to help".
You are saying changing the batting order, will change how the game is played? Structurally?
Mutual elimination is a stylistic question: it addresses whether species will adopt Evolution or Creation under different circumstances (in the sense that both sides of the difference have advantages that allow them to continue)
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Crutches do not evolve.
Crutches do not breed or reproduce themselves.
Crutches are manufactured artifacts. Not living beings.
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You insist on confusing belief with scientific evidence.
Yes evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive but evolution does exclude creationism.
It is you that wants to change the facts and evidence of evolution to correspond to your parcular beliefs.
The disadvantage for creation is that it is based on belief and not evidence. See my first response above.
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If I wanted to change the batting order, I would not expect the pitch to change.
That would mean there was no ultimate reason to believe it, but we both know that Creation is not claiming evidence for Evolution will disappear. The same evidence, is reason to help others in one respect and a reason to defend yourself, in another. You can't think about one thing in relation to Evolution, that would force you to stop defending it and yourself by it, right?
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Crutches don't become more efficient? Sticks, then cushioned, then adjustable - is not progress?
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Your comprehension of baseball is just as lacking as your comprehension of evolution. A pitcher will adjust his pitches to the batter.
People will believe what they will based on their own experiences.
But it wants to subject evolution to a non-scientific, mangled interpretation.
I am not arguing against faith. Faith is not based on evidence, nor does evidence need defending especially when there is overwhelming evidence that supports evolution.
You lack understanding of science in general and evidence in particular. I am persuaded by the evidence and at present there is no scientific evidence for the supernatural. If there were verifiable observations of organisms being created supernaturally it would go a long way to changing not only my mind but also many others.
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Are you saying every time a batter changes, the pitcher will change where he pitches from? And over time the pitcher learns to pitch from exactly the right place?
The faith, just wants you to acknowledge the faith. Without faith, getting it wrong can be disastrous.
I am not trying to convince you to believe Creation to the exclusion of Evolution, you should not be trying to convince me of Evolution to the exclusion of Creation.
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