Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

Taodeching said:

I will take @Antoni advice and leave this thread of a dead horse. I had a very wonderful view of Eastern Orthodoxy at one time but seeing this thread choke full of conspiracy nonsense and acting like those who get the shots are demons themselves you all can keep Eastern Orthodoxy if that is how it is. Goodbye.

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Yep, I'll keep Orthodoxy, thank you. The people are usually far from perfect, for sure, but in the end there's really no where else to go: Christ is here.

truefiction1 said:

Yep, I'll keep Orthodoxy, thank you. The people are usually far from perfect, for sure, but in the end there's really no where else to go: Christ is here.

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Right now you could feel me with this thread which has pushed a new poster away and she may have to seek treatment, treating another long time poster like he is the worst and acting like those who got vaccinated as near Satan's kids. Where is Christ in all that?

Taodeching said:

Right now you could feel me with this thread which has pushed a new poster away and she may have to seek treatment, treating another long time poster like he is the worst and acting like those who got vaccinated as near Satan's kids. Where is Christ in all that?

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Have you ever read in the Gospels what Christ said to those who believed that He came to bring peace in the world? What did He say to them?

"Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn

‘a man against his father,

a daughter against her mother,

a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man’s enemies will be the members

of his own household.’ Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39)

There is a peace inside of me that Christ gives, that the world cannot know, but this does not mean that there will always be peace between people when there are controversial matters of belief at hand. The Christian "iconoclast" controversy lasted the better part of 100 years, causing much division and conflict in people's lives. An important question was at hand and needed to be settled, and so there had to be conflict. There's no avoiding it, and that is why Christ told us not to expect there to always be peace.

Our calling is to follow Him, and in order for us to do this we must work on learning just what He means by this calling. I know my calling and the exact form that my own "following" of Him is: I am called to be an apostle to little children - to babies. I am to be their guide and protector. That is why I have positioned myself along side of all the little children who are regularly slain in the womb (by abortion). I don't receive vaccines that were made using fetal tissues from electively aborted fetuses. I refuse, and would rather be slain by the sword, or die from a disease, than comply with the destruction of "these little ones" by agreeing with the immoral practices of modern science.

I'm not the judge of others, or even of myself for that matter. God is the only righteous judge, so I'll leave it to God to take care of all things pertaining to the salvation of others. But I reject immorally developed vaccines. If this causes a problem for others, I can't help this. The Lord did say there would be divisions on account of belief. Ought we just agree with whatever anyone else does so as not to be responsible for creating divisions? I don't see how this is even possible.

Orthodoxy isn’t like that. Differences of opinion. I think everyone here would agree you should stay and not take private opinions as gospel dogma that could run you off. Please reconsider. I consider these folks my internet family. Rus, Dorothea, Prodromos, they’re all top notch folks. It’s ok to disagree with them or me on this issue!

Taodeching said:

I will take @Antoni advice and leave this thread of a dead horse. I had a very wonderful view of Eastern Orthodoxy at one time but seeing this thread choke full of conspiracy nonsense and acting like those who get the shots are demons themselves you all can keep Eastern Orthodoxy if that is how it is. Goodbye.

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I never said you made the Beelzebub comment, Antoni. Read closely. Another poster made that claim in the thread waaaayyy back. You’re internalizing.

I maintain my concern that this thread is damaging to inquirers. It’s over the top. When you say you’re praying for the vaccinated, perhaps you should pray for the unvaccinated also. 90% of our local COVID deaths were unvaccinated patients. Dead. Memory eternal to them as well. No one is trying to silence you. You view yourself as the brave town crier on the horse shouting the warnings of Noah while the vaccinated are pitiable wretches given to ignorance. For the vaccinated visitor to TAW, it’s beyond a tad much.

Of more than 390 million doses of COVID-19 shots administered in the U.S. up to Sept. 27, VAERS received 8,164 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who were vaccinated. And those cases aren’t necessarily all related directly to the vaxx. Most people who are hardcore anti-Moderna/Pfizer will say the truth just isn’t being reported. Doctors are hiding the truth. Many urban legends are flying around that hospitals pay doctors to bury the truth or they’re afraid to be fired.

I’ve seen the project veritas video exposes. They’re disturbing indeed. I think a mandate is dumb and asking kids to get vaxxed is absurd. It’s all unnecessary most likely. You’re painting anyone opposed to you as out to slander, while you’re out to save. That’s where I truly part company with you. You’re creating a good guy bad guy paradigm here that I find silly. I think you’re going overboard and possibly overstating things, but by no means do I think you’re slandering, have ill intentions, or doing the devils work. I do think you’re overplaying the hero card and the forum Noah sounding the alarm. Let’s stop this good guy bad guy nonsense. Stop seeing yourself as a brave sojourner of truth whom those with other perspectives are trying to silence. The question isn’t should Antoni shut up. The question is, how far should this thread go and how helpful is it really? Have your posts truly saved a host of lives in here? Is it healthy for visitors to see this stuff when we really shouldn’t be playing doctor in TAW? Is this thread consistent with our forum rules about health advice? Is it consistent with the great history we have in TAW of keeping politics out as much as possible?

I’m fine with debating the vaccine. I just don’t think a spiritual and historically healthy and mature place like TAW is the proper venue? I’ve seen this same topic on a couple of progressive rock forums to which I belong as well as a gun forum im a part of. Ironically, on those three sites I argued that they need to stop their out of control PRO-vaccine debates!!

Antoni said:

For the record, I have never said that the vaccine is “guaranteed to make your heart burst”. That is hyperbole. My point of mentioning people feeling scared about what is being revealed on this thread is not hyperbole. I believe it is actually the case for some, even if it may not be the case for you. But my intention is not to scare but to warn.

Neither have I ever said that those who have received it should feel “that they’re demonic fools worshipping at the toes of Beelzebub.” That is simply a lie. I have never even implied such a thing. I may believe they may have been deceived however, and I say a prayer rope every night for the vaccinated.

I am saddened that people are here making others the target for their “destabilizations requiring hospitalizations”, or that they are the cause of defaming Orthodoxy and scaring off inquirers simply because they are trying to warn others of dangers they are perceiving. Look how quick an “inquirer” latched onto that sentiment and have thrown away their stated interest in Orthodoxy because of the warnings of some about the potential dangers of an experimental vaccine which has caused more deaths in one year than all vaccines combined in the last 30 years. A concern which is shared with Nobel winning scientists and a growing number of experts. If that is enough to make one turn from Orthodoxy, than I remain suspicious of how much interest they actually ever had. These are tactics to silence the opposing view.

But while I am sad such statements are being made to slander, even while the intentions of mine are out of sincere concern, I am not going to allow that to cause me to cower from what I believe is the truth, what I am seeing every day, and will continue to warn even if it may benefit one soul. The easy thing (and dramatic way) would be to say “I shake the dust from my feet” and move on to those who are more willing to see another perceptive. I am not at that point yet and by God’s help, I will not succumb to such temptation when I believe in my heart that many of those who wish to attack and slander me do so in ignorance, and yes, on account of fear. “It is easier to deceive someone than to convince them they have been deceived.” This pandemic will continue to prove that adage correct.

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Taodeching said:

I will take @Antoni advice and leave this thread of a dead horse. I had a very wonderful view of Eastern Orthodoxy at one time but seeing this thread choke full of conspiracy nonsense and acting like those who get the shots are demons themselves you all can keep Eastern Orthodoxy if that is how it is. Goodbye.

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It's really unfair to take what one or two members have said and act as if we all talk like that. I've been insisting from the beginning that extreme views of that sort either way, pro- or anti-, go too far.
But if you do go, God bless you! These divisions are everywhere all across what was once Christendom.

As my polite request has been ignored , as an emergency, I am locking this thread until it has been seen by Staff

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