What was Jesus’ purpose if sins were forgiven before His Incarnation?

pescador said:

Nobody's sins are forgiven by God? The all of Christianity is in error? Really?

Romans 3:16-18, " For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

Matthew 26:27-28, "And after taking the cup and giving thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood, the blood of the covenant, that is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

Mark 3:28, "I tell you the truth, people will be forgiven for all sins, even all the blasphemies they utter."

Luke 5:24, "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralyzed man—“I tell you, stand up, take your stretcher and go home.”

Acts 2:38, "Peter said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 10:43, "About him all the prophets testify, that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Acts 13:38, "Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you"

Ephesians 1:7, "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our offenses, according to the riches of his grace"

... and many more statements from Scripture.

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Brightfame52 said:

You didnt understand me. A poster stated that everyones sins have been forgiven, however thats not true, anyone who dies in their sins, as indicated in Jn 8:24, their sins were never forgiven .

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pescador said:

Wrong... Everyone's sins have been forgiven. That is precisely why Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the whole world. People die in their sins for one reason only: they have not accepted Jesus' sacrifice for their sins.

I would help if you actually quoted John 8:24. It says "Thus I told you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.” That's quite an "unless"!

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Brightfame52 said:

You wrong, those who die in their sins, their sins were never forgiven. You in error.

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pescador said:

Jesus died for everyone's sins. Read your Bible. You in error.

John 3:16-18, " For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

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Brightfame52 said:

No you in error, Christ could not have died for folk who shall die in their sins, because those who Christ died for have no sins to die in.

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fishmansf said:

Title says it all. Also, just to start off, I am a believer but I always have questions like these pop up in my head when I read the OT. I was reading the Psalms tonight and the Sons of Korah and David both talk about their delight in the Lord for his forgiveness of sins and how He makes those who love Him righteous. If God forgave the sins of those who love Him before sending His Son, and made people righteous, then why did we need Jesus in the first place?

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pescador said:

You clearly don't understand Christ's sacrifice. He was crucified, and thereby paid the price for all sins. Everyone's! It is up to each person to accept the sacrifice on their behalf.

Here is an analogy: you have committed a crime for which you must pay a penalty. You appear in court. The judge informs you that someone else has paid the penalty on your behalf, so you are free to go. However, if you don't appear in court, you are guilty.

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pescador said:

You clearly don't understand Christ's sacrifice. He was crucified, and thereby paid the price for all sins. Everyone's! It is up to each person to accept the sacrifice on their behalf.

Here is an analogy: you have committed a crime for which you must pay a penalty. You appear in court. The judge informs you that someone else has paid the penalty on your behalf, so you are free to go. However, if you don't appear in court, you are guilty.

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fishmansf said:

Title says it all. Also, just to start off, I am a believer but I always have questions like these pop up in my head when I read the OT. I was reading the Psalms tonight and the Sons of Korah and David both talk about their delight in the Lord for his forgiveness of sins and how He makes those who love Him righteous. If God forgave the sins of those who love Him before sending His Son, and made people righteous, then why did we need Jesus in the first place?

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jamiemb said:

To preach the Good News of the Kingdom/Reign/Kingship of God/Heaven, as God’s Chosen and Anointed Universal Son of Man and King; and to bring that Kingdom into the world (thereby casting out satan & his power).

To forgive wrongdoing is a kingly act.
So is saving one’s people
As the Kinsman of His People, Jesus is their Kinsman-Redeemer.
As the King descended from David, He, like David & Solomon, offers sacrifice.
As the David promised & raised up by God, Jesus is their Shepherd-King.
King Solomon was outstandingly wise with God-given wisdom - but Jesus is the Wisdom of God personified.
The king in Deuteronomy is to read the Law, & to study it - Jesus fulfils it
A great deal, perhaps everything, of what is said about Him, can be seen as an aspect of His Kingship.

Psalms 2, 45, 72, 110, Isaiah 52.12-53 (compare Psalm 89), are all applicable to Jesus the King.

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jamiemb said:

To preach the Good News of the Kingdom/Reign/Kingship of God/Heaven, as God’s Chosen and Anointed Universal Son of Man and King; and to bring that Kingdom into the world (thereby casting out satan & his power).

To forgive wrongdoing is a kingly act.
So is saving one’s people
As the Kinsman of His People, Jesus is their Kinsman-Redeemer.
As the King descended from David, He, like David & Solomon, offers sacrifice.
As the David promised & raised up by God, Jesus is their Shepherd-King.
King Solomon was outstandingly wise with God-given wisdom - but Jesus is the Wisdom of God personified.
The king in Deuteronomy is to read the Law, & to study it - Jesus fulfils it
A great deal, perhaps everything, of what is said about Him, can be seen as an aspect of His Kingship.

Psalms 2, 45, 72, 110, Isaiah 52.12-53 (compare Psalm 89), are all applicable to Jesus the King.

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Clare73 said:

Jesus came to die as a ransom for the sin of many (Matthew 20:28).

That is the gospel.

Yours is not orthodox Christianity.

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jamiemb said:

That is part of it - and only a part: Genesis 1:1 (NASB20)

It is not the main thing. The Gospel of the Kingdom is that God is King - the good we receive is a consequence of that. It is not - primarily - about us. God would still be King, even if we did not exist, or were not redeemed. The kingdom of God is at the heart of the gospel; our salvation is not. Matthew 20.28 is a consequence & an exercise of the Kingship of God; not the other way round.

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jamiemb said:

That is part of it - and only a part: Genesis 1:1 (NASB20)

It is not the main thing.

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eleos1954 said:

He provided the WAY sins could be forgiven.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Matthew 28:18

Berean Study Bible
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

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Brightfame52 said:

Could be forgiven ? Sins are forgiven for Christs sake. 1 Jn 2:12

12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

Again God forgives sins for Christs sake

Eph 4:32

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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eleos1954 said:

Judgement does not take place until Jesus returns and then we will experience the 1st resurrection (complete and eternal change) .... until then we can know we are forgiven and not live with guilt, nor fear of final destruction .... we can live in peace .... rest in Him ... while living in this chaotic world.

God makes promises (covenants) .... and all those promises (covenants) are fulfilled in Christ .... ours is to believe God will do what He said He would .... and that is faith.

Could be forgiven .... yes .... He provided the way .... but does not force people into His way .... people make choices. The gift is there for anyone, but one must decide to receive that gift ... or not.

Conditional ....

John 10:9
I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

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