The truth is all lives matter

IWalkAlone · Dec 2, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Indeed -- and I feel for any officer who finds themselves in that rare situation... because the truth is the majority of police can go years, even entire careers, without drawing their service weapon, let along firing it.

Personally, I think not firing should be the default training -- be we have people around here who seem to believe (or perhaps prefer) the police to be trained killers.

How do you train someone to stop a person from killing them? You only have a second or two to do something, how do you deescalate that?

TLK Valentine · Dec 2, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
I'm just saying. Our lives matter too. No reason to get upset.

Not upset at all -- just pointing out that "All Lives Matter" is less of a movement and more of a counter-movement... and you might want to ask what they're trying to counter.

As I said, if you want to stand up for the white race, that's your prerogative -- but you might not get along with the people you end up standing with... and that could be a problem...

...or maybe you'll get along just fine -- which might be worse.

TLK Valentine · Dec 2, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
How do you train someone to stop a person from killing them? You only have a second or two to do something, how do you deescalate that?

It's about what you do before those seconds... it's about making sure it never gets to that point in the first place.

Ana the Ist · Dec 2, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
It's about what you do before those seconds... it's about making sure it never gets to that point in the first place.

Magic? Hypnosis?

The old "look out behind you!"?

Ana the Ist · Dec 2, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Indeed -- and I feel for any officer who finds themselves in that rare situation... because the truth is the majority of police can go years, even entire careers, without drawing their service weapon, let along firing it.

Personally, I think not firing should be the default training -- be we have people around here who seem to believe (or perhaps prefer) the police to be trained killers.

Police are involved in hundreds of active shooter situations every year.

You're misinformed about reality.

Ken-1122 · Dec 2, 2021

Belk said:
Our military is trained to kill, not our police force. Police are trained in the use of force only in self defense.

Part of that self defense training includes the use of deadly force. That's why they have shooting ranges where they shoot guns at targets in the shape of a human torso, and they are trained to shoot center body mass. Police are trained to do a lot of things, among them the use of deadly force; and when a criminal behaves the way Tamir Rice behaved, there is nothing else they can do but enact deadly force.

Ken-1122 · Dec 2, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
You train killers, you get killers.

Being trained to kill does not make you a killer

Parmallia · Dec 2, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Part of that self defense training includes the use of deadly force. That's why they have shooting ranges where they shoot guns at targets in the shape of a human torso, and they are trained to shoot center body mass. Police are trained to do a lot of things, among them the use of deadly force; and when a criminal behaves the way Tamir Rice behaved, there is nothing else they can do but enact deadly force.

Kyle Rittenhouse got to run down a street with a REAL weapon fully loaded (he'd killed two people already with it) and the police didn't have a problem with him.

Cliven Bundy and his friends actually got to point loaded weapons AT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMNT officials and that was OK too.

TLK Valentine · Dec 2, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Magic? Hypnosis?

The old "look out behind you!"?

If those are the only things you can think of to prevent a person from using a firearm, perhaps the responsibility of gun ownership is a bit much to ask for...

Ken-1122 · Dec 2, 2021

Parmallia said:
Kyle Rittenhouse got to run down a street with a REAL weapon fully loaded (he'd killed two people already with it) and the police didn't have a problem with him.

Kyle had his rifle holstered and his hands raised high in the air, so he was not a threat to the police.

Parmallia said:
Cliven Bundy and his friends actually got to point loaded weapons AT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMNT officials and that was OK too.

Not familiar with this case, but from the way you discribe it, he should have gotten shot.

TLK Valentine · Dec 2, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Police are involved in hundreds of active shooter situations every year.

You're misinformed about reality.

Hundreds of thousands of police. You're misinformed about mathematics.

TLK Valentine · Dec 2, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Being trained to kill does not make you a killer

How about being encouraged to kill? #whenthelootingstartstheshootingstarts

Belk · Dec 2, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Part of that self defense training includes the use of deadly force. That's why they have shooting ranges where they shoot guns at targets in the shape of a human torso, and they are trained to shoot center body mass. Police are trained to do a lot of things, among them the use of deadly force; and when a criminal behaves the way Tamir Rice behaved, there is nothing else they can do but enact deadly force.

Tamir Rice was not a criminal, and there were many other options that could of been employed.

IWalkAlone · Dec 2, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Not upset at all -- just pointing out that "All Lives Matter" is less of a movement and more of a counter-movement... and you might want to ask what they're trying to counter.

As I said, if you want to stand up for the white race, that's your prerogative -- but you might not get along with the people you end up standing with... and that could be a problem...

...or maybe you'll get along just fine -- which might be worse.

They protest justified shootings of black criminals.

IWalkAlone · Dec 2, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
It's about what you do before those seconds... it's about making sure it never gets to that point in the first place.

No its not. The cop didn't get it to that point. He did nothing wrong that would cause the person to pull a gun on him

IWalkAlone · Dec 2, 2021

Parmallia said:
Kyle Rittenhouse got to run down a street with a REAL weapon fully loaded (he'd killed two people already with it) and the police didn't have a problem with him.

Cliven Bundy and his friends actually got to point loaded weapons AT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMNT officials and that was OK too.

Cops could see a mob was attacking him. And Kyle never pulled his weapon on police. The two incidents are not comparable

IWalkAlone · Dec 2, 2021

Belk said:
Tamir Rice was not a criminal, and there were many other options that could of been employed.

Cops didn't know he wasn't going to shoot them.

TLK Valentine · Dec 2, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
They protest justified shootings of black criminals.

White ones too, one would hope.

IWalkAlone · Dec 2, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
White ones too, one would hope.

Not that I have seen

Belk · Dec 2, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
Cops didn't know he wasn't going to shoot them.

Then perhaps they should not driven right up on him? I fail to see why we should hold the lives of government workers higher then that of citizens.

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