If Roe vs Wade is overturned, will the GOP lose in 2022?

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I wasn't really trying to frame the argument. Just illustrating that argument isnt quite as simple as that.

I suppose most constitutional amendments have strong moral drivers but that's the real problem here. There is no amendment that guarantees a right to abortion. It was a bad judicial judgment that circumvented the legislative process.
Funny. The Supreme court voted 7-2 that the Constitution itself protect's women's liberty. No "circumventing" there.
 
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The Supreme court voted 7-2 that the Constitution itself protect's women's liberty. No "circumventing" there.
So essentially all they need to do is vote the constitution protect future citizens, or is that already the case?
 
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Killing or intentionally maiming yourself is usually illegal.
No it isn't. It's illegal to kill or maim someone else though, even if they ask you to.

Unnecessary amputation is not allowed.
There's nothing to prevent it legally. Most hospitals will refuse to do it on ethical grounds and to prevent liability though.

Nowadays, genetic modification is being required for government work.
Receiving a genetically-engineered vaccine does not modify your own genes any more than consuming genetically engineered produce does. And I guarantee that you've eaten genetically engineered produce.
 
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It was invited.
Not necessarily, if the sperm were supposed to stay in the condom or the ovum was supposed to stay in the ovary, or precautions were taken so they would not meet, then the pregnancy was not invited.

However, I don't want to derail this topic, so I won't be defending "covid vaccines are genetic modification" any further. I could just as easily have said vaccination in the first place but that would be boring.
I don't think honest and accurate is boring.
 
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So essentially all they need to do is vote the constitution protect future citizens, or is that already the case?

"Future citizens"? Oh, you mean like those people coming across the Southern border, right?
 
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Most experts now expect Republicans to retake the House next year and possibly the Senate as well. However, a huge uproar over the abortion issue could cause a shift in the odds and keep both chambers under Democratic control. What think ye?
It's an interesting question and there is a plausible scenario that says "yes," but there's also another which says "no."

If the Supreme Court were to leave Roe unchanged after all these years of voting in the hopes that a case like this one would finally reach the highest court and that the court would then amend or reverse Roe...

and after various Republican presidents put a "conservative" majority on the Court...

to get a ruling that doesn't change things much could well cause a backlash against the GOP. Republican and pro-life voters could conclude that the Party promised a lot and delivered nothing. A big letdown like that could be acted out on election day.
 
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Not necessarily, if the sperm were supposed to stay in the condom or the ovum was supposed to stay in the ovary, or precautions were taken so they would not meet, then the pregnancy was not invited.
Setting up unofficial detour signs does not guarantee the original intent of the journey may be diverted to one of self interest.
 
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"Future citizens"? Oh, you mean like those people coming across the Southern border, right?
If they willofficially become future citizens sure,. But I was sticking to the OP and referring to the new citizens at the woman's southern border
 
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Setting up unofficial detour signs does not guarantee the original intent of the journey may be diverted to one of self interest.
And if the original intent of the journey was other than to become pregnant while taking precautions against it, then your argument is moot - besides which, active precautions are not mere detour signs.
 
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If they willofficially become future citizens sure,. But I was sticking to the OP and referring to the new citizens at the woman's southern border
At her feet??
 
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Setting up unofficial detour signs does not guarantee the original intent of the journey may be diverted to one of self interest.

Pretty sure the existence of the condom dictates the "original intent" of the journey... unless we're claiming the will of the sperm overrules the will of the male...
 
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It's an interesting question and there is a plausible scenario that says "yes," but there's also another which says "no."

If the Supreme Court were to leave Roe unchanged after all these years of voting in the hopes that a case like this one would finally reach the highest court and that the court would then amend or reverse Roe...

and after various Republican presidents put a "conservative" majority on the Court...

to get a ruling that doesn't change things much could well cause a backlash against the GOP. Republican and pro-life voters could conclude that the Party promised a lot and delivered nothing. A big letdown like that could be acted out on election day.
A most interesting thought there, Albion, that probably escaped most of us, including myself.
 
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What secular organizations have their sights on criminalizing birth control?
Can't name one, but I am trying to be fair; there are pro lifers who claim to be secular; somebody there might be against artificial contraception.
 
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