Another Diplomatic Crisis - are we positioning for war?

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It seems unlikely that the Afghan army would give up their new toys without a struggle.
Some people prefer the simplicity of rocks. It was that mentality that defeated both the Russians and the DSA.
 
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I fail to see how equipping our allies is a "flub".

Equipping our allies is never flub. Abandoning our citizens by pulling out our troops in the middle of the night because the countries government was collapsing was ...... well I just can't give it a descriptor without breaking forum rules.

I have a feeling you know as well as I do that we certainly could have destroyed the weaponry on or before leaving. Storehouses of weapons, ammunition and explosives are not exactly difficult to detonate.
 
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Hence the topic of the impending war between Russia and the Ukraine. Will all the talk of wanting Ukraine as an allied nation be backed up by actions?

I'm not sure if it was ever discussed as wanting Ukraine as an allied nation - that might be indicated by them never becoming a member of NATO.

Regardless, the West and the US are acting on their own best self interest in keeping them an independent nation.
 
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Equipping our allies is never flub. Abandoning our citizens by pulling out our troops in the middle of the night because the countries government was collapsing was ...... well I just can't give it a descriptor without breaking forum rules.

I have a feeling you know as well as I do that we certainly could have destroyed the weaponry on or before leaving. Storehouses of weapons, ammunition and explosives are not exactly difficult to detonate.

I agree the withdrawal was poorly handled. The destruction of military equipment under US control is a SOP. I don't know about destruction of ally equipment. Not a situation I have had experience with.
 
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Hence the topic of the impending war between Russia and the Ukraine. Will all the talk of wanting Ukraine as an allied nation be backed up by actions?

What actions do you propose? {other than equipping NATO with 2nd rate arms we provided to the Afghan Army....}

btw, the only way to avoid an Afghanistan scenario in the Ukraine is to insert NATO/US troops with weapons designed to fight the Russian army (not Taliban guerrilla fighters).
 
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the only way to avoid an Afghanistan scenario in the Ukraine is to insert NATO/US troops with weapons designed to fight the Russian army (not Taliban guerrilla fighters).
So as that is the topic, is there a war brewing?
 
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What actions do you propose? {other than equipping NATO with 2nd rate arms we provided to the Afghan Army....}

btw, the only way to avoid an Afghanistan scenario in the Ukraine is to insert NATO/US troops with weapons designed to fight the Russian army (not Taliban guerrilla fighters).
NATO, like most world organizations, is useless when it comes to really putting-up, weren't you paying attention when Trump pointed all that out and at least made many pay a fair share. Biden has probably refunded it all though.
 
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NATO, like most world organizations, is useless when it comes to really putting-up, weren't you paying attention when Trump pointed all that out and at least made many pay a fair share. Biden has probably refunded it all though.

What is your solution? Or do you only have sound bites to offer?
 
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NATO, like most world organizations, is useless when it comes to really putting-up, weren't you paying attention when Trump pointed all that out and at least made many pay a fair share. Biden has probably refunded it all though.

NATO Peace keeping forces have been 'putting up' for decades and are far from useless.
 
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