"Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob"

Douggg · Nov 29, 2021

jgr said:
What theory?

Do you think that DNA does not exist outside of the justice system?

The point is that DNA distinguishes people. Which is opposite from your argument that everyone's DNA is the same.

Douggg · Nov 29, 2021

jgr said:
Are you suggesting that an all knowing God distinguishes by genetics rather than by faith and obedience?

We ourselves distinguish people by different metrics including religion and race and ethnicity.

Israel over there right now is the fulfillment of bible prophecy, one nation again back in the land no longer two nations of north and south. And in the end times.

jgr · Nov 29, 2021

Douggg said:
We ourselves distinguish people by different metrics including religion and race and ethnicity.

Israel over there right now is the fulfillment of bible prophecy, one nation again back in the land no longer two nations of north and south. And in the end times.

God does not distinguish people by your metrics.

Israel is a secular nation of diverse ethnicities no different from any other nation.

It is no fulfillment of prophecy, but rather a fulfillment of geopolitical intrigue and genocidal terrorism, fomented by the most abominable crime syndicate in history, the Rothschild dynasty.

jgr · Nov 29, 2021

Douggg said:
The point is that DNA distinguishes people. Which is opposite from your argument that everyone's DNA is the same.

Abraham's DNA in me is the same as Abraham's DNA in you.

There are not two different Abrahams.

There are not seven billion different Abrahams.

jgr · Nov 29, 2021

DavidPT said:
Since the discussion involves Ezekiel 38 and 39, and that it is not until God executes His judgment on Gog and his multitude, where then shall they know that He is the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen, what else is there to conclude except that God is using genetics here?

Not one single person on this planet, past or present, can show that God has already executed His judgment on Gog and his multitude. If none of this involves any of those currently living in the land of Israel, yet, this judgment involving Gog and his multitude is still future, who do you propose it involves if none of them?

Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

How can the latter days not involve any of the latter days that began with Christ's first coming? Obviously, latter days have to have a last day eventually. If these latter days don't involve anything having to do with the last days recorded in the NT, when then was the last day of the latter days recorded in Ezekiel 38:16, and why is there still more days if the last day already came and went?

The nation of Israel was always comprised of both Jews and Gentiles (Genesis 17:12). What genetics do you think God was using?

keras · Nov 30, 2021

Douggg said:
Israel over there right now is the fulfillment of bible prophecy, one nation again back in the land no longer two nations of north and south. And in the end times.

It is quite evident to everyone that the Jewish State of Israel is not the nation that God wants in His holy Land.
Soon they will be thrown out, Jeremiah12:14, Jeremiah 10:18, and only the righteous faithful people of God will inhabit ALL of the holy Land. Some will be Jews, Jeremiah 12:15-16, but most will be people from every race, nation and language.
Who, as it will be revealed; ARE true descendants of Jacob, the people who received the Blessings promised to them by Jacob and Moses.

Timtofly · Nov 30, 2021

jgr said:
So neither the Holy Spirit nor Ezekiel knew what "now" meant. Imagine that.

Your Jews are a genetic fantasy, because all of humanity are genetic Jews.

I'm a genetic Jew. You're a genetic Jew. The entire human race is genetic Jews.

Your 1948 is a fantasy, fallacy and fraud, for it violates the most elemental principle of repatriation, which was spiritual repentance and rehabilitation before any return.

As seen in Israel's multiple exiles and returns.

You lose.

You use that word "Jew" very loosely. I thought you were strict in your word definitions?

If you don't call those in Israel today Israel, but the rest of the world Jews, what is your point?

jgr · Nov 30, 2021

Timtofly said:
You use that word "Jew" very loosely. I thought you were strict in your word definitions?

If you don't call those in Israel today Israel, but the rest of the world Jews, what is your point?

I have no idea what you're trying to talk about.

Timtofly said:
You use that word "Jew" very loosely.

Explain what a loose Jew is.

Timtofly said:
If you don't call those in Israel today Israel

I call them Israelis. Note that "Israel" is the root of "Israelis". What do you think I call them?

Timtofly · Nov 30, 2021

jgr said:
I have no idea what you're trying to talk about.

Explain what a loose Jew is.

I call them Israelis. Note that "Israel" is the root of "Israelis". What do you think I call them?

You called every human a Jew. That is a broad definition. A Jew is only 1/12th of Jacob, but I guess you believe we are all inbred?

jgr · Nov 30, 2021

Timtofly said:
You called every human a Jew. That is a broad definition. A Jew is only 1/12th of Jacob, but I guess you believe we are all inbred?

The Jews call every human a Jew.

So does the math.

Douggg · Dec 1, 2021

jgr said:
The Jews call every human a Jew.

The Jews do not call every human a Jew.

The Jews will tell you that a Jew is someone who's mother (not the father) is a Jew. Or someone who has gone through a rigid conversion process under the guidance of a rabbi to Judaism.

jgr · Dec 1, 2021

Douggg said:
The Jews do not call every human a Jew.

The Jews will tell you that a Jew is someone who's mother (not the father) is a Jew. Or someone who has gone through a rigid conversion process under the guidance of a rabbi to Judaism.

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Douggg · Dec 1, 2021

keras said:
Soon they will be thrown out, Jeremiah12:14, Jeremiah 10:18,

Jeremiah 12:14 (as well as Jeremiah 10:18) has already been fulfilled and Jeremiah 12:15 is in effect, as well as, Ezekiel 37 the dry bones..

15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.

keras · Dec 1, 2021

Douggg said:
Jeremiah 12:14 (as well as Jeremiah 10:18) has already been fulfilled and Jeremiah 12:15 is in effect, as well as, Ezekiel 37 the dry bones..

15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.

Typical Dougggishnesss!
You avoided Jeremiah 12:16 IF they, the Jews; will learn the way of My people, the Christian peoples......THEN they will establish families among My people.
This verse plainly means that only those Jews who have accepted Jesus now, will be allowed the join with their Christian brethren in all of the holy Land.
When Jeremiah 10:18 ....This time I shall throw out the whole population of the Land..... this has happened, Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 10:23, then it will be given to new owners, Jeremiah 8:10; the Christian peoples. Jeremiah 50:4-5

Obviously too; Ezekiel 37:15-28 has not been fulfilled. His Sanctuary is not yet in Jerusalem and the citizens of Israel remain defied with their idols.

Douggg · Dec 1, 2021

keras said:
This verse plainly means that only those Jews who have accepted Jesus now, will be allowed the join with their Christian brethren in all of the holy Land.

A rapture to Israel is not going to happen. It is the resurrection of them who sleep in Christ, and them who are alive raptured to heaven event.

In Zechariah 14, the Jews in Jerusalem escape in similitude as their forefathers in days of Uzziah king of Judah.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

keras · Dec 1, 2021

Douggg said:
A rapture to Israel is not going to happen

Right. We must travel there ourselves, with the Lord's help as Psalms 107 and Isaiah 66:20 describe.

Douggg said:
It is the resurrection of them who sleep in Christ, and them who are alive raptured to heaven event.

Sheer unscriptural nonsense.
There is no general resurrection until after the Millennium. Only the Trib martyrs are brought back to life; Revelation 20:4
No one goes to heaven; John 3:13, eventually God and heaven come to us. Revelation 21:1-7

Douggg said:
In Zechariah 14, the Jews in Jerusalem escape in similitude as their forefathers in days of Uzziah king of Judah.

The Jews face Judgment, only a remnant of Christian Jews and their brethren from every race, nation and language, will be there when Jesus Returns.

Douggg · Dec 1, 2021

keras said:
Only the Trib martyrs are brought back to life; Revelation 20:4

Where are their souls during the time that their bodies have been killed ?

Douggg · Dec 1, 2021

keras said:
The Jews face Judgment, only a remnant of Christian Jews and their brethren from every race, nation and language, will be there when Jesus Returns.

Then why doesn't it say persons from every race, nation and language - and instead specifically refers to them who escape - "as ye did" in the days of Uzziah king of Judah ?

keras · Dec 1, 2021

Douggg said:
Where are their souls during the time that their bodies have been killed ?

Kept under the Altar in heaven, with all the martyrs since Stephen. But only those who will be killed during the GT, will be brought back to life when Jesus Returns. Revelation 20-4-5....the rest must wait for the GWT Judgment.

Douggg said:
Then why doesn't it say persons from every race, nation and language - and instead specifically refers to them who escape - "as ye did" in the days of Uzziah king of Judah ?

The 'ye' refers to God's holy people. In King Uzziah's time, they were the Israelites, now they are the Christians.

Douggg · Dec 2, 2021

keras said:
Kept under the Altar in heaven, with all the martyrs since Stephen. But only those who will be killed during the GT, will be brought back to life when Jesus Returns. Revelation 20-4-5....the rest must wait for the GWT Judgment.

So their souls are in heaven. What about a Christian who dies today of natural causes, where will his soul go after death ?

keras said:
The 'ye' refers to God's holy people. In King Uzziah's time, they were the Israelites, now they are the Christians.

The "ye" back in Uzziah's time did not refer to people of other nations, races, languages. But to the Jews. No-one becomes a Jew, nor an Israelite, by virtue of becoming a Christian. That's faulty doctrine proven so by the nation of Israel over there right now, which everyone can see. But some are in denial of. To me, it is amazing, that some will deny it.

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