Is the gospel more than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?
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Well, if you were to read what I wrote, you would understand. But seeing you do not want to read my lengthy post involving the Bible, I will give you a shorter explanation. I believe faith is a two sided coin. We see in Scripture of how one side of the coin of faith is defined as a “belief alone” whereby we can be initially saved by God’s grace by faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior and in trusting in the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We also see Scripture indicate that the other side of the coin of faith includes “living holy, doing good works, putting away sin as a part of the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit.”
So there is no such thing as…
Faith (Belief) + Works.
Both a belief in the Savior, and living holy by the Spirit are all under the umbrella of Faith. That’s what my whole lengthy post was about if you were to read my points with Scripture. But I am not really expecting you to go back and read my lengthy post involving the Bible (because you have not done so as yet). So I think it is best we agree and disagree in love and respect and move on, friend.
May God bless you.
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Would Abraham had been justified by his faith if he never went to the promised land as God had commanded him? James says no.
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The words faith, believe, and believer are all actually 3 different forms of the same Greek word pistis. Faith or pistis being the noun, believe or pisteuo being the verb, and believer or pistos being the adjective. The Greek words pisteuo (believe) pistos (believer) pistis (faith) all imply a certain level of faithfulness, trustworthiness, fidelity, and loyalty in their definition. These have to do with an individual’s motivation for salvation. Notice in the definition below there’s a number 1 in front of the first 3 descriptions for the word pisteuo, that’s because all three of these descriptions are included in the primary definition.
believe
G4100
Lemma:
πιστεύω
Transliteration:
pisteúō
Pronounce:
pist-yoo'-o
Part of Speech:
Verb
Language:
greek
Description:
1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a) of the thing believed
1) to credit, have confidence b) in a moral or religious reference
1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith
3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith
2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity a) to be intrusted with a thing
believers
G4103
Lemma:
πιστός
Transliteration:
pistós
Pronounce:
pis-tos'
Part of Speech:
Adjective
Language:
greek
Description:
1) trusty, faithful a) of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties b) one who kept his plighted faith, worthy of trust c) that can be relied on
2) easily persuaded a) believing, confiding, trusting b) in the NT one who trusts in God's promises
1) one who is convinced that Jesus has been raised from the dead
2) one who has become convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and author of salvation
faith
G4102
Lemma:
πίστις
Transliteration:
pístis
Pronounce:
pis'-tis
Part of Speech:
Noun Feminine
Language:
greek
Description:
1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it a) relating to God
1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ b) relating to Christ
1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God c) the religious beliefs of Christians d) belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
2) fidelity, faithfulness a) the character of one who can be relied on
This does not mean that our works in any way play a role in our salvation but the motivation behind those works is what counts. Is our desire self serving or God serving? Does is stem from a selfish desire like self righteousness and recognition or does it stem from love for others and love for God? Those who believe in Christ and desire to do good works out of love for God and others will be saved despite their imperfections but those who do good works as a means to earn self righteousness will not be saved regardless of whether they believe in Christ or not because the scriptures say that those who seek to justify themselves thru their works have denied the necessity of Christ’s sacrifice.
So when you view the word pisteuo as only pertaining to the definition of the English word believe verses like John 15:1-10 don’t make any sense because it completely eliminates any inner conviction or desire to actually serve God as being a necessity for receiving salvation. If a person has this inner conviction and desire to serve God then he will bear fruit and so long as he keeps this inner conviction he will abide in Christ. Simply acknowledging that Christ existed without any desire to serve God will save no one. This is why the definition of the English word believe does not fit the context of the scriptures and appears to contradict other verses.
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Yes, that is correct, but I don’t like to use the term faith alone because it is associated with Protestantism in that many (Not all of them) think it means exclusively a belief alone (Whereby many of them think they can sin and still be saved on some level). Yes, even the Bible uses the words faith alone (or faith only) to describe a belief in James 2:24. I do get that. But the Bible at times speaks from different perspectives on the same topic or things. So we have to look at the whole counsel of God’s Word to get a proper systemic understanding on this matter. That is what my lengthy post about the two sides of the coin of faith including Scripture is all about.
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But what was Paul referring to when he said to him that works not? I believe he was fighting against Circumcision Salvationism (Which is a heresy that said you had to first be circumcised in order to be initially saved). Romans 4:9-12 talks about the problem of circumcision. In Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24, we learn that the Jews were trying to deceive Christians into thinking they had to be circumcised to be saved and to keep all of the Old Law. They concluded that the Gentile believers did not have to do these things. Paul says if you seek to be circumcised Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2). Think. If a person thought they had to be circumcised to be initially saved instead of having faith in Jesus, they would be making the Law or a Work the basis (or foundation) of their salvation. This is why Paul said to him who does not work. His whole focus here is in how we get saved and not in the second aspect of salvation of which he talks about in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Romans 8:13, Titus 1:16, etc.
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Jesus told a parable along those lines in Matthew 21:28-32. The issue in James isn't that Abraham wouldn't be justified by his faith, but that faith isn't lip-service. :
28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
“The first,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
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The odd thing is that most Christians believe that being justified by faith alone in regards to salvation, but when James uses the same word “justified” in James 2:24 as in relation to refer to both faith and works.
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We are not under the whole package deal of the Law of Moses (i.e. the 613 Laws of Moses) because these laws were given to Israel. Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed. So we follow the commands that come from Jesus and His followers. Yes, some laws have appeared to repeat themselves in the New Covenant or New Testament, but we follow Jesus and not Moses. For the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
We are still under the Law of God or the Law of Christ. Why? Paul said so himself.
“To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.” (1 Corinthians 9:21).
You said:
Romans 3:1 says, “What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?”
Why would Paul say this?
This is why your not getting it. Read the following verses VERY SLOWLY in Acts 15. Please. I will even quote the verses for you.
“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).
So Jews were trying to get Christians to be circumcised as a part of salvation.
“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).
So a certain sect of Pharisees wanted the Christians to be circumcised and to keep the Law of Moses (the 613).
But listen to what the elders said in response.
“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).
“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:19-20).
“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:19-20).
Now, Paul says a similar thing in regards to circumcision.
“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” (Galatians 5:2).
Then Paul ties this same thing in within Romans 4:9-12.
“Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.” (Romans 4:9-12).
Did you read this passage above? Please do so now if you have not. So why again is Paul talking about circumcision here? Obviously because there were Christians being deceived by the Pharisees into thinking they had to be circumcised in order to be saved. Put it together now. Connect the dots. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out, friend. For if a person thought they had to be circumcised to be saved, they would be making a Law or a work the basis of their salvation (and that would be Works ALONE Salvationism without God’s grace). That’s why Paul spoke in the way that he did. But of course, you want a sin and still be saved plan of salvation to be true, don’t you? That’s the easy way out, right? You can keep believing that despite it being contrary to the Holy Scriptures. But I will place my trust on how God is good and just in everything He does.
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When we read Romans 7:14-24, we also have to read Romans 8:2, as well. Paul says that the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the Law of sin and death. So keeping one Law (i.e. the New Covenant Law) makes us free from the Old Law (the Law of Moses or the Law of sin and death). The law of Moses is called the Law of sin and death because you could be stoned (killed) for not keeping certain aspects of the Old Law. This is not the case with the New Covenant Law because Jesus said he that is without sin cast ye the first stone. Jesus also said to love our enemies, as well.
What is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus in Romans 8:2?
It’s Romans 8:1.
Romans 8:1 says there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh (sin), but who walk after the Spirit. So you cannot walk after sin. Otherwise there is condemnation. In fact, the condemnation is further defined for us in John 3:19-21.
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” (John 3:19-21).
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Before Paul, faith always require a work of some kind from the recipients. The various examples in Hebrews 11 made that clear.
But after the mystery was revealed to Paul, he tells us now that we are justified by the faith OF Christ (Galatians 2:16).
To put it simply, Paul revealed to us the true significance of the cross, Christ did all the work necessary for our justification, and if we accept what he did, we are imputed with Christ's righteousness.
That was not available to those described in Hebrews 11. That mystery was also not revealed to James when he was writing his epistle to the 12 tribes which was sometimes during Acts 8, when many believing Jews were scattered away from Jerusalem (James 1:1)
That is why Paul urged us to study scripture, rightly dividing the word of truth, that is what is approved unto God. (2 Timothy 2:15)
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Paul did not teach
Perpetual Belief Alone-ism for Salvation:
Many believe that Paul taught to believe in Jesus alone and nothing else to be saved;
But this is not true. For Paul also says...
- “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16). (Note: To know God is a part of salvation (See: John 17:3, and 1 John 2:3-4, 1 John 5:12).
- "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing," (1 Timothy 6:3-4). (Note: James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble).
- “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
- “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
- “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).
- "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema [accursed] Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).
- “But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
- “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
- “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).
- “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).
- “...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).
- “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19-21).
- “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:12).
- “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” (Galatians 5:4).
- “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.” (Ephesians 5:3-7).
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While we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace through faith in Christ, the Bible also teaches that works of faith also play a part in the salvation process. For both Jesus and Paul taught and or implied that works of faith play a part in eternal life.
#1. Both Jesus and Paul essentially say you can deny God by one's works.
For Jesus said,
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matthew 7:23).
Jesus said,
"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).
Paul said,
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matthew 7:23).
Jesus said,
"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).
Paul said,
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
#2. Both Jesus and Paul essentially say you need to drink of (walk in) the Spirit as a part of everlasting life.
Jesus said,
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." (John 4:14).
Jesus said,
"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." (John 7:38).
John said this of Jesus's words,
"(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" (John 7:39).
Paul said,
“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
Paul said,
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
Paul said,
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).
"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." (John 4:14).
Jesus said,
"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." (John 7:38).
John said this of Jesus's words,
"(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" (John 7:39).
Paul said,
“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
Paul said,
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
Paul said,
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).
#3. Both Jesus and Paul say that the judgment involves those being condemned or punished in the afterlife for doing evil vs. doing good leading to glory or life as a part of God's kingdom.
Jesus said,
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Paul said,
"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
Paul said,
19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Paul said,
"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
Paul said,
19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).
#4. Both Jesus and Paul taught that we have to continue to abide in the good works of the Lord or we will be cut off and or burned in the fire.
Jesus said,
4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned" (John 15:4-6).
Paul said,
“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned" (John 15:4-6).
Paul said,
“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
#5. Both Jesus and Paul essentially say that the fear of the Lord is a part of salvation.
Jesus said,
"Fear not them who can kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him (The Lord, i.e. Jesus) who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire) (Matthew 10:28).
Paul said,
"...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12).
"Fear not them who can kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him (The Lord, i.e. Jesus) who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire) (Matthew 10:28).
Paul said,
"...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12).
#6. Both Jesus and Paul taught that laboring for the right kind of food relates to everlasting life.
Jesus says,
"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you..." (John 6:29).
Jesus says,
"My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." (John 4:34).
Paul said,
“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).
"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you..." (John 6:29).
Jesus says,
"My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." (John 4:34).
Paul said,
“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).
#7. Both Jesus and Paul spoke of a time in the last days of where false prophets shall arise who are faithless and who do not love (i.e. they will have a form of godliness).
Jesus said,
"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8).
Jesus said,
"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:12).
Jesus said,
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:11).
Paul said,
1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."
(2 Timothy 3:1-9).
Side Note:"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8).
Jesus said,
"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:12).
Jesus said,
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:11).
Paul said,
1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."
(2 Timothy 3:1-9).
Please take note that James says he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18). So the faithless that Jesus talks about are those who are fruitless or those who do not have any truly good works. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 is also a revealing passage, as well. Basically it is saying what you are not supposed to be like. For this passage describes those who have a form of godliness and they are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. This means that a Belief Alone Type Gospel (that leads to one not being concerned about sin or not treating it as seriously) is simply not true. For the moment I tell someone that all they need to do to be saved is to believe in Jesus and nothing else, they are going to not be concerned with living holy (because they do not think it is necessary to enter God's Kingdom).
Again, Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (See: 1 Timothy 6:3-4).
So yeah, I would say you need to study more to show yourself approved unto God and rightly divide, my friend. Your view on God’s Word has to ignore all these verses and turn God’s grace into a doctrine for immorality that the Bible warns us against (Jude 1:4).
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