BLM gets Divisive Again

rturner76 said:

Accuse the writers of the Declaration of Independence and every Jim Crow law. That started the hearts and minds of merica being obsessed with race. It trickles down through the generations. My sister was 5 when the Civil rights law was passed. She's not retired yet so a lot of segregation-era racists are still alive, kicking, and running a lot of companies. It trickles down through the people they influence.

Click to expand...

That's why I keep saying that we'll have to see the Boomer generation pass before a real breakthrough is visible. We Boomers were the last generation raised in racial apartheid. I was in middle school before I ever knew a white person by name--until then, I had never so much as been on the same playground as a white child, never in the same movie seating, never in the same swimming pool. White Boomers older than me were well into adulthood when integration began to bring them face to face with blacks on an equal footing.

We didn't even see blacks and whites together on television to any significant extent. There were no blacks in The Flintstones or The Jetsons. None in Bewitched. None in Bonanza. No blacks lived in Mayberry. Disney movies--nope. I was in high school before the first African-American appeared in children's television programming.

The "normalcy" of segregation is inculcated into our psyches. It's like a child made drug-addicted in the womb. We feel it even when we don't think it, and it takes deliberate will to fight it.

RDKirk said:

That's why I keep saying that we'll have to see the Boomer generation pass before a real breakthrough is visible. We Boomers were the last generation raised in racial apartheid. I was in middle school before I ever knew a white person by name--until then, I had never so much as been on the same playground as a white child, never in the same movie seating, never in the same swimming pool. White Boomers older than me were well into adulthood when integration began to bring them face to face with blacks on an equal footing.

We didn't even see blacks and whites together on television to any significant extent. There were no blacks in The Flintstones or The Jetsons. None in Bewitched. None in Bonanza. No blacks lived in Mayberry. Disney movies--nope. I was in high school before the first African-American appeared in children's television programming.

The "normalcy" of segregation is inculcated into our psyches. It's like a child made drug-addicted in the womb. We feel it even when we don't think it, and it takes deliberate will to fight it.

Click to expand...

I remember my mom telling me in Floride, she kept going from the white to the colored fountain to see what the difference was. She got a doll called a "Pikaninny." Obviously a black doll. She showed the maid they had at the time (who was black) her doll and said "look, it's my little pikaninny). The maid had words with gramma and she quit. I've been told about a few incidents like that where she had no idea she was saying something racist. It's just what she was taught to say or call things. She said she always want to play with the little black kids but they were in a segregated part of town she wasn't allowed in.

It's been a long time but culture doesn't change overnight. Generations have to come and go before things really change. Much HAS changes but I thing our country still has a racist hangover from the old days.

RDKirk said:

More importantly, Asians came here with intact and functional cultures which were both a cushion and a springboard. They were able to sample American culture at their own pace and pleasure.

The kidnapped Africans had their cultures systematically and deliberately stripped away, and replaced by a deliberately dysfunctional slave culture.

Click to expand...

Amen

rjs330 said:

So BLM pushes a black Christmas to disrupt white supremacist capitalism.

You know I have NO issues with encouraging people to shop at black owned businesses. I think that's a good thing. If we can help black businesses get if the ground and do well that helps everyone.

HOWEVER, the way they go about this is nothing but divisive, racist and quite frankly nothing but being a big jerk.

With things like this:
As BLMLA organizer, Jan Williams, reminds us, 'Capitalism doesn’t love Black people.' In fact, white-supremacist-capitalism invented policing, initially as chattel-slavery-era 'paddy rollers,' in order to protect its interests and put targets on the backs of Black people," the post said.

"Let’s harness our economic power to disrupt white-supremacist-capitalism and build Black community. #BlackXmas is about being self-determined and dismantling existing structures by building new, and more viable, beneficial ones[ … ]in the names of our mightiest and most righteous warrior Ancestors, in the names of all those stolen by police violence, in honor of our community, and as a commitment to the generations to come," Black Lives Matter declared.

Good grief. How about we just say , "Let's all shop at black owned stores to support them. Let's use our shopping power to uplift black owners and make it more viable for businesses to come to our neighborhoods."

But all this "we are against white people and capitalism cause they just put targets in our backs and we have to call capitalism white supremecy". Is nothing but a divisive message and does nothing to bring people together. It is designed to foster hatred, suspicion and promote disruption of society.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/black...eking-to-disrupt-white-supremacist-capitalism

Click to expand...

I don't think anyone cared about BLM since Biden took office. At least i have not heard anything substantial since January 2020.

rturner76 said:

You should read more

Click to expand...

I'm just going on the words of the founders themselves.

.Mikha'el. said:

I disagree because I've always taken BLM to prioritize the lives and affairs of that ethnicity over and above others.It might not be said directly, but I think it's implied.

Click to expand...

You mean like BLM burning down and looting black owned businesses?

.Mikha'el. said:

I disagree because I've always taken BLM to prioritize the lives and affairs of that ethnicity over and above others.It might not be said directly, but I think it's implied.

Click to expand...

That is extra baggage that you presumably have when you hear the phrase "Black Lives Matter"

I don't live in USA so don't really know the full picture of what goes on there.
My wife, I find often gets on the defensive and reads things beyond the words actually being said. I find it quite frustrating, because I get accused of saying things that I never said nor implied.
I guess it is just quite natural for people to look beyond the surface and trying to work out the "real" meaning behind something.

I'm a white guy.
I don't see someone saying "Black lives matter" as being an afront to me. I don't have a immediate response of "Hey, what about me, don't white lives matter too?"
Everything doesn't have to be about me. If someone says "Black lives matter", my initial response is "Yes, you are right. I'm 100% on board with that". It isn't a slight, or an attack or an afront or anything against me. Sure, Black lives do matter and they should matter, 100% agreement.

Do I also need to get that person to confirm that "White lives matter"?
No I don't. I don't feel that society or police or government or anyone is challenging whether white lives matter.

But I am interested as to why there is a movement on "Black lives matter"
Why do so many people feel they need to advertise that black lives matter?
So I show interest, I ask, I listen, I look...

And what do I see?
I see blacks over represented in poverty and crime and prisons
I see unarmed blacks getting killed by police
I see unarmed BLM protesters getting killed by armed civilians who are then praised on Fox News
I see a couple of whites brandishing weapons outside their house when a group of unarmed black protesters walk by, I see the white couple then hailed as heroes on Fox News.
I see black sporting stars being slammed on Fox news for taking a peaceful knee.
I see white anti mask, anti vaccination protesters being praised on Fox news for peaceful protests
I see peaceful protesters of BLM getting attacked, gassed in the streets of Lafayette by the police, they are protesting against brutality and then the police take to them and brutalise them.
I see BLM protests and riots getting slammed on Fox News and I see predominately white Trump supporters attacking the Capitol as being praised as patriots.

Maybe they have a reason to be aggrieved.
I don't feel the need to promote "White lives matter" but I am fully supportive of people promoting "Black lives matter" one doesn't begat or contradict the other.
This doesn't mean I support looting or violence and doesn't mean I think those protesters that went over the line shouldn't be punished. I am not a supporter of Antifa, and I don't profess to know if BLM management has any untoward ulterior motives.

IWalkAlone said:

The problem is some BLM have blamed the white man and the system. If you say I'm the problem don't I have a right to protest? BLM protested even justified police shootings. Is that right?

Click to expand...

The system does have problems and often minorities are disadvantaged by the system.
I can understand an aggrieved peoples being "here we go again" especially if they are already in an emotional state.

Something needs to be done to fix the system.

Oompa Loompa said:

I don't think anyone cared about BLM since Biden took office. At least i have not heard anything substantial since January 2020.

Click to expand...

Almost as if they finally served their purpose.

.Mikha'el. said:

The name BLM by its very nature is divisive.

Click to expand...

I don't think the name itself should be considered anything divisive, it's the semantic overload surrounding it that's become a point of contention.

If one is looking to draw attention to a cause or issue, that's fine. In a system where black people do experience a different justice system (with regards to implementation), it's fine to say "black lives matter".

The issue stems from the semantic overload factor I mentioned above.

When a group calls themselves a noble sounding name, but then bundles in a bunch of controversial and unrelated ideologies in with it, and then when (predictably) people object to those extraneous ideologies, they're met with accusations of "oh, so you disagree with BLM, that must mean you don't think black lives matter then!", that's where it becomes contentious.

On many of their chapter home pages, they explicitly state the goals of "ending the nuclear family unit" and "abolishing capitalism"...those two things have nothing to do with how black people are treated by the criminal justice system, and everyone with half a brain knows those two ideas are going to be contentious and not well received.

It's basically the equivalent of forming a new group and calling it "Stop punching grandmothers" #SPG, and then on the home page, listing one of the side-objectives as being 'lowering the age of consent to 12', and then when people understandably object to that, taking an accusatory tone and saying "oh, well you don't support this group, so I guess you're okay with grannies getting punched!"

ThatRobGuy said:

I don't think the name itself should be considered anything divisive, it's the semantic overload surrounding it that's become a point of contention.

If one is looking to draw attention to a cause or issue, that's fine. In a system where black people do experience a different justice system (with regards to implementation), it's fine to say "black lives matter".

The issue stems from the semantic overload factor I mentioned above.

When a group calls themselves a noble sounding name, but then bundles in a bunch of controversial and unrelated ideologies in with it, and then when (predictably) people object to those extraneous ideologies, they're met with accusations of "oh, so you disagree with BLM, that must mean you don't think black lives matter then!", that's where it becomes contentious.

On many of their chapter home pages, they explicitly state the goals of "ending the nuclear family unit" and "abolishing capitalism"...those two things have nothing to do with how black people are treated by the criminal justice system, and everyone with half a brain knows those two ideas are going to be contentious and not well received.

It's basically the equivalent of forming a new group and calling it "Stop punching grandmothers" #SPG, and then on the home page, listing one of the side-objectives as being 'lowering the age of consent to 12', and then when people understandably object to that, taking an accusatory tone and saying "oh, well you don't support this group, so I guess you're okay with grannies getting punched!"

Click to expand...

I've said that before.

For most black people, "Black lives matter" is a sentiment that the lives of black suspects should be treated by police with the same respect as white lives are treated by police *

That's all it means to most black people, and the #blacklivesmatter hashtag is just a means for using social media to advise people of local events to promote that sentiment.

Frankly, the BLM organization is not a thought for most black people.

But, indeed, "BLM" is so muddied now by the precepts of the organization that I've given up trying to rehabilitate the term for its original sentiment.

Same for CRT. Critical Race Theory is an academic process that is not taught in any public schools. However, CRT theorists have developed theorems that are being taught...at least public school teachers and the NRA claim to be teaching them. Unless what they're calling "CRT" is actually "Culturally Relevant Teaching," which is also a thing.

It's entirely possible that many teachers don't even know that there are two different "CRT" concepts that might have a bit of overlap but aren't the same thing.

BLM the organization is such a threat to American democracy and white people that you must disregard any other interests or principles that would restrain you from voting R come next election.

durangodawood said:

BLM the organization is such a threat to American democracy and white people that you must disregard any other interests or principles that would restrain you from voting R come next election.

Click to expand...

BLM is not the biggest threat to democracy in the US. There is a far greater threat.

Critical race theory is currently the most dangerous and deceptive tool of socialist/leftist ideology (and embraced among many academics). BLM was an symptom of this kind of race based causality. Even though there needn't be an official affiliation among thieves, they are of the same mind set.

zelosravioli said:

Critical race theory is currently the most dangerous and deceptive tool of socialist/leftist ideology (and embraced among many academics). BLM was an symptom of this kind of race based causality. Even though there needn't be an official affiliation among thieves, they are of the same mind set.

Click to expand...

CRT is not the biggest threat to democracy in America.

Ana the Ist said:

Almost as if they finally served their purpose.

Click to expand...

For some strange reason, the only people who didn't see this coming were the BLM activists and supporters. Even politicians like Biden and Pelosi pandered to them when they were politically advantageous to their agendas. But that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. The whole "defund the police" thing backfired as expected too.