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Exodus 3:1 And Moses was feeding the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he brought the sheep near to the wilderness, and came to the mount of Horeb. 2 And an Angel of the Yehovah appeared to him in flaming fire out of the bush, and he sees that the bush burns with fire, —but the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, “I will go near and see this great sight, why the bush is not consumed.” 4 And when Yehovah saw that he drew near to see, God called him out of the bush, saying, “Moses, Moses”; and he said, “What is it?” 5 And He said, “Do not draw near here. Loose your sandals from off your feet, for the place whereon you stand is holy ground.” 6 And He said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”; and Moses turned away his face, for he was afraid to gaze at God.

First, as I'm sure you already know, "God" in the passage above is Elohim, or the singular version, Eloah. Also, I used "Yehovah" which is the same as YHWH or Yahweh.

Second, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the burning bush, and God called to him out of the bush. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah = God. God = Angel of Yehovah.

Third, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the bush and then Yehovah saw Moses draw near. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is also named Yehovah. Therefore, Yehovah = Angel of Yehovah = God.

Fourth, since Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah have the same name, how are they related? In Genesis 6:4 (as well as Jubilees and Enoch) says the angels are the sons of God. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is the Son of Yehovah. Therefore, the relationship between Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah is Father and Son. Both have the name Yehovah.

Fifth, it is the Angel, the Son, who said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.”

Sixth, Yehoshua (Jesus) stated that He was the Son of God and did many miracles to prove it. Therefore, Yehoshua/Jesus IS the Angel of Yehovah that led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt. He has been the shepherd of Israel all these centuries. The same God that came in a great cloud, thundering, lightening, and a loud trumpet at Horeb, is the same God that gave Himself as an offering for the sins of Israel, and the world. How great is His love for His people?!

Seventh, since Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, how can any Jew "convert" to being a believer in Yehoshua Ha Moshiach, Jesus the Christ? Therefore, believing (and carefully studying) Moses makes plain who the God of Israel is, just as Jesus said.

John 5:45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

I have never heard any of this taught anywhere. I tried to be as brief as possible. How do you understand these things? Has anyone else learned or been taught about Jesus being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Discovery of these things has been a great faith booster to me and I think it could help many other as well. Do you agree with my analysis here? Thanks, John.
 

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Exodus 3:1 And Moses was feeding the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he brought the sheep near to the wilderness, and came to the mount of Horeb. 2 And an Angel of the Yehovah appeared to him in flaming fire out of the bush, and he sees that the bush burns with fire, —but the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, “I will go near and see this great sight, why the bush is not consumed.” 4 And when Yehovah saw that he drew near to see, God called him out of the bush, saying, “Moses, Moses”; and he said, “What is it?” 5 And He said, “Do not draw near here. Loose your sandals from off your feet, for the place whereon you stand is holy ground.” 6 And He said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”; and Moses turned away his face, for he was afraid to gaze at God.

First, as I'm sure you already know, "God" in the passage above is Elohim, or the singular version, Eloah. Also, I used "Yehovah" which is the same as YHWH or Yahweh.

Second, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the burning bush, and God called to him out of the bush. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah = God. God = Angel of Yehovah.

Third, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the bush and then Yehovah saw Moses draw near. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is also named Yehovah. Therefore, Yehovah = Angel of Yehovah = God.

Fourth, since Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah have the same name, how are they related? In Genesis 6:4 (as well as Jubilees and Enoch) says the angels are the sons of God. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is the Son of Yehovah. Therefore, the relationship between Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah is Father and Son. Both have the name Yehovah.

Fifth, it is the Angel, the Son, who said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.”

Sixth, Yehoshua (Jesus) stated that He was the Son of God and did many miracles to prove it. Therefore, Yehoshua/Jesus IS the Angel of Yehovah that led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt. He has been the shepherd of Israel all these centuries. The same God that came in a great cloud, thundering, lightening, and a loud trumpet at Horeb, is the same God that gave Himself as an offering for the sins of Israel, and the world. How great is His love for His people?!

Seventh, since Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, how can any Jew "convert" to being a believer in Yehoshua Ha Moshiach, Jesus the Christ? Therefore, believing (and carefully studying) Moses makes plain who the God of Israel is, just as Jesus said.

John 5:45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

I have never heard any of this taught anywhere. I tried to be as brief as possible. How do you understand these things? Has anyone else learned or been taught about Jesus being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Discovery of these things has been a great faith booster to me and I think it could help many other as well. Do you agree with my analysis here? Thanks, John.
You are correct, considering that everything was created through Jesus and for Jesus.

Jesus is obviously YHWH.

No one has ever seen the Father, known the Father, or even heard the Father speak (John).

The only God in the Old Testament and the New Testament is Jesus Christ (the WORD).
 
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Whenever we see God or hear His Word, it is the Son. That's what it means that Jesus is the Logos, the Word of God. Jesus is YHWH in flesh. So throughout the Old Testament, whenever we see instances of God walking or talking, that is the pre-incarnate Jesus, who is one with the Father; one God.
 
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I have never heard any of this taught anywhere. I tried to be as brief as possible. How do you understand these things? Has anyone else learned or been taught about Jesus being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Discovery of these things has been a great faith booster to me and I think it could help many other as well. Do you agree with my analysis here? Thanks, John


It is called a 'theophany ' where as daniel9 says Jesus appears in the OT.

Talk to your minister why he doesn't, like the apostles, explain the gospel from the Torah, the OT.

If he doesn't understand move church.
 
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Exodus 3:1 And Moses was feeding the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he brought the sheep near to the wilderness, and came to the mount of Horeb. 2 And an Angel of the Yehovah appeared to him in flaming fire out of the bush, and he sees that the bush burns with fire, —but the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, “I will go near and see this great sight, why the bush is not consumed.” 4 And when Yehovah saw that he drew near to see, God called him out of the bush, saying, “Moses, Moses”; and he said, “What is it?” 5 And He said, “Do not draw near here. Loose your sandals from off your feet, for the place whereon you stand is holy ground.” 6 And He said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”; and Moses turned away his face, for he was afraid to gaze at God.

First, as I'm sure you already know, "God" in the passage above is Elohim, or the singular version, Eloah. Also, I used "Yehovah" which is the same as YHWH or Yahweh.

Second, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the burning bush, and God called to him out of the bush. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah = God. God = Angel of Yehovah.

Third, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the bush and then Yehovah saw Moses draw near. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is also named Yehovah. Therefore, Yehovah = Angel of Yehovah = God.

Fourth, since Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah have the same name, how are they related? In Genesis 6:4 (as well as Jubilees and Enoch) says the angels are the sons of God. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is the Son of Yehovah. Therefore, the relationship between Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah is Father and Son. Both have the name Yehovah.

Fifth, it is the Angel, the Son, who said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.”

Sixth, Yehoshua (Jesus) stated that He was the Son of God and did many miracles to prove it. Therefore, Yehoshua/Jesus IS the Angel of Yehovah that led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt. He has been the shepherd of Israel all these centuries. The same God that came in a great cloud, thundering, lightening, and a loud trumpet at Horeb, is the same God that gave Himself as an offering for the sins of Israel, and the world. How great is His love for His people?!

Seventh, since Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, how can any Jew "convert" to being a believer in Yehoshua Ha Moshiach, Jesus the Christ? Therefore, believing (and carefully studying) Moses makes plain who the God of Israel is, just as Jesus said.

John 5:45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

I have never heard any of this taught anywhere. I tried to be as brief as possible. How do you understand these things? Has anyone else learned or been taught about Jesus being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Discovery of these things has been a great faith booster to me and I think it could help many other as well. Do you agree with my analysis here? Thanks, John.
Yes, I started teaching this a couple of years ago and even did a sermon on it. Even so, this teaching is not common nor core to the gospel, so I tell my listeners that it's fine if they disagree with me.
 
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Let us forgive this error for the moment so that we could delve into the subject in more detail. We know that Yeshua was all in from the beginning and has been intimately involved through the centuries in the lives of the saints. What I am going to try to present is His involvement in the things of earth because that is His assignment.

John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although theworks were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of theworld: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
 
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It will be in every physical and political sense, a real kingdom of earth that Yeshua will rule. It will have a king, a government, a capital, and an international system of laws. God has already delegated `all power in heaven and in earth' to His own Son, our Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
 
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So when I read OT, and I read a statement like this I think of Yeshua.

1 Chronicles 29:11 Thine, O Lord is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all.
 
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We know Yeshua is fighting Satan to regain the kingdom that was lost by sin. But, was it Yeshua's kingdom to begin with?

Luke 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Ok, Yeshua said that He was already appointed this kingdom before He came to earth the first time. When Moses was introduced to God, it was explained to him this way.

Acts 7:31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, 32 Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.

Exodus 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Yeshua cleared up the matter by explaining that it was Him.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

And Yeshua is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob... Moses...etc.
 
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Have you ever asked yourself why Yeshua was willing to die for us? I believe it has a lot to do with the responsibility Yeshua took on His shoulders when given the kingdom. From before the foundation of the world, Yeshua planned on being the contingency plan should anything go wrong. He has planned it from the beginning. He is our alpha and omega. With all authority given to Him from the foundation of the world, finished, executed, and legally able to give to whom He will the inheritance.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
 
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With any kingdom, there are laws. Yeshua identified Himself with those laws as His.

John 14:15 If you love me, you will keep my commands…

And again in John 14:21 “Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me, and the one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.

Did you know that the Law of God in Exodus is slightly different that the one recorded in Deut? In the Sabbath command in Exodus, He identifies Himself as the Creator. In Deut, God identifies Himself as the redeemer.

Isaiah 44:6: Thus said the LORD, King of Israel and its Redeemer, the LORD, Master of Legions: I am the first and I am the last, and aside from Me there is no God.

Colossians 2:9: For in Him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is.

Isaiah 43:25: I, only I, am He Who wipes away your willful sins for My sake, and I shall not recall your sins.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things came to be through Him, and without Him nothing made had being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not suppressed it.

Psalm 118:22 There is salvation in no one else! For there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by whom we must be saved!

I know many of these verses are so familiar to you, but look at them again to see Yeshua has been our God, since the beginning.

What was Yeshua proof?

Matthew 9:6-7: "But look! I will prove to you that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” He then said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, pick up your mattress, and go home!” 7 And the man got up and went home.

Yeshua is demonstrating to the people that He has been given the power to forgive sins, something that only God can do.

Mark 2:7 “How can this fellow say such a thing? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins except God?”
 
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Exodus 3:1 And Moses was feeding the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he brought the sheep near to the wilderness, and came to the mount of Horeb. 2 And an Angel of the Yehovah appeared to him in flaming fire out of the bush, and he sees that the bush burns with fire, —but the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, “I will go near and see this great sight, why the bush is not consumed.” 4 And when Yehovah saw that he drew near to see, God called him out of the bush, saying, “Moses, Moses”; and he said, “What is it?” 5 And He said, “Do not draw near here. Loose your sandals from off your feet, for the place whereon you stand is holy ground.” 6 And He said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”; and Moses turned away his face, for he was afraid to gaze at God.

First, as I'm sure you already know, "God" in the passage above is Elohim, or the singular version, Eloah. Also, I used "Yehovah" which is the same as YHWH or Yahweh.

Second, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the burning bush, and God called to him out of the bush. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah = God. God = Angel of Yehovah.

Third, the Angel of Yehovah appeared in the bush and then Yehovah saw Moses draw near. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is also named Yehovah. Therefore, Yehovah = Angel of Yehovah = God.

Fourth, since Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah have the same name, how are they related? In Genesis 6:4 (as well as Jubilees and Enoch) says the angels are the sons of God. Therefore, the Angel of Yehovah is the Son of Yehovah. Therefore, the relationship between Yehovah and the Angel of Yehovah is Father and Son. Both have the name Yehovah.

Fifth, it is the Angel, the Son, who said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.”

Sixth, Yehoshua (Jesus) stated that He was the Son of God and did many miracles to prove it. Therefore, Yehoshua/Jesus IS the Angel of Yehovah that led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt. He has been the shepherd of Israel all these centuries. The same God that came in a great cloud, thundering, lightening, and a loud trumpet at Horeb, is the same God that gave Himself as an offering for the sins of Israel, and the world. How great is His love for His people?!

Seventh, since Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, how can any Jew "convert" to being a believer in Yehoshua Ha Moshiach, Jesus the Christ? Therefore, believing (and carefully studying) Moses makes plain who the God of Israel is, just as Jesus said.

John 5:45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

I have never heard any of this taught anywhere. I tried to be as brief as possible. How do you understand these things? Has anyone else learned or been taught about Jesus being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Discovery of these things has been a great faith booster to me and I think it could help many other as well. Do you agree with my analysis here? Thanks, John.
The Targum says that it is the memra that did the creating, which is also translated as "logos" or "word":

Genesis 1:26-27 "And the Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence of the Lord He created him, the male and his yoke-fellow He created them."

Deuteronomy 33:27 The habitation of Eloha is from eternity, and the world was made by His Word; and He will drive out thy enemies from before thee, and will say, Destroy.

If you study the actions of the memra in the Targum and keep in mind that the book of John identifies Yeshua as the memra, then it is without question that he was saying that the actions of God in the OT were taken by Yeshua.
 
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He is Lord over the angels.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
 
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This is His Kingdom, His rule, and His decision. He is King of Kings, Lord of Lords, our Heavenly Father.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
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How many places declare Yeshua God? I know a few.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Hebrews 1:8 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
 
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MEMRA is considered to
have six attributes, which John then attributed to Yeshua one after the other, so the parallels are extremely strong:

  1. "The memra is individual and yet the same as God (John 1:1-“and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”).
  2. The memra was the instrument of creation (John 1:3-“All things were made by Him” and John 1:10-“the world was made by him”).
  3. The memra was the instrument of salvation (John 1:12-“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name”).
  4. The memra was the visible presence of God or Theophany (John 1:14-“And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us”).
  5. The memra was the covenant maker (John 1:17-“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ”).
  6. The memra was the revealer of God (John 1:18-“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him”)."

Memra (The Word) - THE BIBLE CHURCH ONLINETHE BIBLE CHURCH ONLINE
 
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Deuteronomy 4: 39 ...know today, and establish it in your heart, that ADONAI is God in heaven above and on earth below - there is no other.

Isaiah 45: 5 I am ADONAI; there is no other; besides me there is no God.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

John 14:9:
Whoever sees me sees the Father....
 
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It is called a 'theophany ' where as daniel9 says Jesus appears in the OT.

Talk to your minister why he doesn't, like the apostles, explain the gospel from the Torah, the OT.

If he doesn't understand move church.
When Yeshua said
Luke 6:5 The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath

His hearers would have recalled that God gave them the fourth commandment with the words

Ex 20:10 the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord, your God.

So once again Yeshua identified Himself as God, when He said He is "Lord of the Sabbath."
 
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Yeshua is the first and the last, He is the alpha and Omega. There is no one besides Him.

Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isa.43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that
I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Rev.1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ....11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: ...17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: .....18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Rev.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
 
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