Is the gospel more than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

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Not at all. You are assuming the disciples did not make mistakes or did things based on not fully understanding God's message completely. Peter was rebuked by the apostle Paul. The disciples misunderstood Jesus about His reference to a sword. The disciples misunderstood His reason in going to the cross. The disciples did not understand that Christ would be risen from the grave three days later. So there was much the disciples did not understand, and they had to play catch up with what our Lord meant involving the Great Commission when he told them to baptize all nations.

I believe Jesus was referring to Spirit baptism and not water baptism in Matthew 28:19, and that the disciples merely misunderstood Him (yet again). We see this Spirit baptism done by the apostle Paul in Acts of the Apostles 19:1-7.

Here are some great articles for reading (to help you to see where I am coming from).

biblestudying.net

What is True Baptism? | Truth Or Tradition?


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Oh, and I am strongly against Belief Alone-ism or Sin and Still Be Saved Type Beliefs. I believe Sanctification plays a part in our salvation after we are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. But we cannot redefine the gospel in what we like it to say vs. what the Bible says it means. Nowhere does any NT Scripture state that the gospel includes baptism. In my experience in attending the church of Christ, they are all about getting people baptized, but they are not for preaching the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-8. This is wrong.

Are you assuming the Apostles had it wrong about the great commission being water baptism? The fact water baptism was what was carried out (Acts of the Apostles 8:38-39, Acts of the Apostles 10:47-48) shows they understood correctly the baptism of the great commission is water baptism. In Acts of the Apostles 10:47-48 Peter was speaking by inspiration of the HS and the HS did not make a mistake in commanding water baptism.


Matthew 28:19 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

Acts of the Apostles 2:38 - Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Here are some verses that we need to add to these two above...

Acts of the Apostles 1:5 - for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:17 - But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.​

Here's the idea:

Foundationally baptism at it's core is a picture of immersion. When a person is baptized into the Spirit, it is a spiritual immersion. Baptism into the Father, the Word, and Holy Spirit is an individual receiving the Spirit after they believe in the gospel. It does not include water. Such a thing was John's baptism. Peter realized this truth in Acts between Acts 10 and 11.

Acts of the Apostles 11:15-17 says:

"And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, `John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?”​

The words bolded in red point us back to Acts of the Apostles 1:5.
The words bolded in blue points us back to Acts of the Apostles 2:38. Therefore, if we take this line of thinking back to Matthew 28, the Lord Jesus Christ is telling us that a person must be saved through faith by abiding in the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit as part of the great commission. We must be immersed in the name of the triune God. We must be immersed in God. Water only gets you wet.

None of the verses you cite above say anything at all about anyone today being baptized with the Holy Spirit. The CONTEXT of Acts 1:5 Jesus is speaking to His Apostles in that context promising them this baptism (which they received in Acts 2) but Jesus is not promising that baptism to anyone today.

In Acts 11:15-17 Peter is referring back to "the beginning" which would Pentecost in Acts 2 when the Apostles were baptized with the Holy Spirit. Hence Peter is saying the Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles (Acts 10) just as it did with the Apostles in "the beginning" (Acts 2). THe Apostles (Jews) and Cornelius (Gentile) are the only 2 NT times that people were baptized with the Holy SPirit fulfilling Joel's prophecy of Joel 2:28 " that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh".

----"All flesh" does NOT mean every single person would be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

----at that time they saw all flesh/mankind in two groups, you was either a 1) Jew or Non-Jew 2) a Gentile. The Apostles (Jews) and Cornelius (Gentile) were baptized with the Holy Spirit thereby FULFILLING Joel's prophecy about baptism with the Holy Spirit. Fulfill means to cease, come to an end meaning baptism with the Holy SPirit was fufilled, it ceased therefore the one baptism of Eph 4:5 is water baptism of the great comission.

----many many years passed from Acts 2 when the Apostles were baptized with the HS and when Gentiles were baptized with the HS in Acts 10. WHy did Peter have to go back all those years (to "the beginning") to find another example of baptism with the HS? IF baptism with the HS was a common occurance among all believers why did not Peter use those Jews he was speaking to in Acts 10 & 11 to remind them of their having been baptized with the HS? Because NONE of those Jews had been baptized with the HS. Again, the only two times baptism with the HS took place was Acts 2 with Apostles (Jews) and Acts 10 Cornelius (Gentile) fulfilling Joel's prophecy bringing that baptism to an end.

----Peter connects Joel's prophecy of baptism with the HS to the APostles being baptized with the HS in Acts 2:16. Then in Acts 11 Peter connects the Gentiles being baptized with the HS to Acts 2 ("the beginning") also. Showing Joel's prophecy of baptism with the Holy SPirit was fulfilled with the Jew and Gentile (all flesh) haven been baptized with the HS. Again, this baptism with the HS does not exist today having been a fulfilled prophecy. People today can CLAIM they have been baptized with the HS but cannot PROVE it in anyway, cannot provide any Bible evidence they were ever promised such a baptism. There is not one verse that promises anyone today baptism with the Holy Spirit.

----if baptism of the great commission is some kind of spirit baptism, then why did the Spirit in Acts 8 not just simply "spirit baptize" the eunuch? Why did the Spirit instead send for Phillip to teach and water baptize the Eunuch? Because water baptism is the baptism of the great commission administered by disciples as Phillip. Claiming people today are baptized with the HS creates 2 baptism in contradiction to there being just "one baptism" in effect today Ephesians 4:5.

----From John 3:5 Nicodemus had not been born again. If this new birth is baptism with the Holy Spirit, and this new birth is of God (John 1:13) then whose fault is it Nicodemus had not been born again? God's fault for failing to baptize Nicodemus with the HS. Yet the new birth is water baptism which has been commanded to man and men that are not water baptized of their own choice are held culpable.....not God.


-----the baptism of 1 Corithinas 12:13 therefore must be water baptism of the great commission, the new birth:
Jn 3:5-------------SPirit+++++++++Water>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1 Cor 12:13------SPirit+++++++++baptized>>>>>>in the body.

There is just one way to be saved (to get in the kingdom/body) no alternatives which means both verses MUST be speaking of the exact same thing. It is too obvious that both verses are referring to water baptism. Hence those not water baptized are culpable for their own choice in not being water baptized and not culpable for God having failed to baptize them with the HS. Paul water baptized some of those Corinthians himself, 1 Cor 1:14,16. THis eliminates any and all attempts of getting around the necessity of water baptism of the great commission.

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Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
TO enter the kingdom requires a "doing" on the part of man.

John 3:5-----born of water (water baptized) >>>>>>>>enter the kingdom
Matt 7:21----doeth God's will>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>enter the kingdom

Again, just ONE way to be saved, no alternatives meaning these verses cannot contradict but speak the same thing. It is God's will, God's command (Acts of the Apostles 10:47-48) that men be water baptized. Those that obediently submit to DOING God's will in being water baptized are the ones to enter the kingdom.


Ephesians 1:13 or 1 Cor 6:17 speak nothing at all about a baptism of any kind.
 
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I used to think there was an obedience aspect to the gospel whereby one would live holy. Now, while I believe Sanctification plays a part in our salvation after we are saved by God’s grace, I believe the gospel is only 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
 
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To all:

I believe there is only one gospel.
I believe the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

1st Corinthians 15:1-4

1 “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”​

Some believe there is more than one gospel, and others believe there are different aspects of the gospel message. For example: Some believe Revelation 14:6-7 is but one piece of the puzzle that makes up the whole picture of the gospel message.

I did a search at BlueLetterBible.org on the keyword “gospel” and looked at every occurrence in Scripture every time it appeared. According to my study: I found that at first glance it may appear to look like the gospel may be different in scope or meaning when reading different parts of Scripture, but this is not the case. The gospel is always 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. So the gospel is believing that Jesus died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later on our behalf for salvation.

Now, some may immediately protest and throw down Galatians 3:8 that says, “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.” However, how are all the nations of the Earth blessed? By the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ died for not only the Jew, but He died for the Gentile. Jesus will one day resurrect bodily those people in all nations after the likeness of His resurrection. So all the nations of the Earth would be blessed by this good news (i.e. by their believing that Christ died for their sins, He was buried, and He was risen 3 days later for their salvation). That is how all nations of the Earth will be truly blessed because they will live again (by the power of the resurrection), and be with the Lord for all eternity in His Kingdom. Abraham’s descendants will be like the stars of the sky because of the resurrection. Now, that truly is a blessing unto all nations indeed, and it is only possibly by what Christ has done for us.

Some may also protest that the gospel is not just 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 by bringing up Romans 2:16.

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” (Romans 2:16).

So is the judging of the secrets of men by Jesus Christ a part of the gospel message? I don’t believe so. The English word “accordance” can mean “agreement” or “harmony.”

Accordance | Definition of Accordance by Webster's Online Dictionary

In other words, Jesus will judge the secrets of men that is in agreement with the gospel message given by Paul. So men’s secrets will be judged by Jesus by their rejection of the gospel.

So Romans 2:16 is saying that Jesus will judge the secrets of men that is in agreement or harmony with Paul’s gospel (He received from God).

I would say that the two most challenging or unclear pieces of Scripture on the gospel is:

#1. Matthew 24:13-14, and
#2. Revelation 14:6-7.​

Matthew 24:13-14
13 “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”

Revelation 14:6-7
6 “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”

Again, Paul said the gospel is this:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”​

Paul says that even if themselves or an angel preach another gospel, let them be accursed.

Galatians 1:6-9
6 “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”​

If you were to notice, this gospel in Galatians 1 is grace centered. Verse 6 says that these Galatian believers were being removed from the grace of Christ unto another gospel. This was the gospel of circumcision (law) which is the opposite of grace.

So how do we reconcile passages like Matthew 24:13-14, and Revelation 14:6-7 with the gospel message revealed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

Matthew 24:13-14 and Revelation 14:6-7 do not sound grace centered at first glance or with a quick surface reading.

Well, in Matthew 24:13-14, I currently believe the gospel (or good news) of “he that endures to the end shall be saved” is referring to Jesus or Christ in you (the hope of glory). Jesus transforms our life and helps us to endure to the end. So the gospel is at the heart is Jesus here. For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). The gospel of Jesus being our Savior (with Him forgiving sins) is the proto-gospel or more basic primary gospel message preached before the cross (Before Paul revealed the more fuller gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We can only endure because Christ is our Savior.

In Revelation 14:6-7, there are two possibilities of understanding this passage.

One possibility is that the angel is simply given an introductory message before revealing the gospel message. In other words, the words in verse 7 is not the actual gospel message, but it is an intro before the angel preaches the gospel that we do not get to hear in Revelation.

A second possibility (of which I lean more towards) is that the angel is giving us a coded message of the good news package (which is all about God working in our life), and believing the glorious gospel message.

1. “Fear God” would be by the conviction of the Holy Spirit (John 16:8-9) and the drawing of Christ (John 12:32).
2. “Give glory to Him [God]” would be by believing the glorious gospel message which is all about Jesus Christ - who is the image of God (2 Corinthians 4:4). For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; (2 Corinthians 4:5).
3. “Worship Him [God]” is only possible by the grace of God. Jesus is the grace of God. Jesus is GOD, and so we worship (praise) Him, and His redemption. We praise Jesus and His redemptive work. We glory in Jesus the good news message of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Romans 11:36 says, “FOR OF HIM, AND THROUGH HIM, AND TO HIM, ARE ALL THINGS: TO WHOM BE GLORY FOR EVER. AMEN.
It is God’s purpose “that no flesh should glory in His presence,” but “he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord” (1 Corinthians 1:29-31). Note: I am aware that worship can be done by the way we live for God. But in this case, I believe it is a form of praising the Lord Jesus Christ and His redemptive work. For it is written: “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,...” (Galatians 6:14).
We also fear GOD because Scripture warns that to obey not the gospel is fiery vengeance.

For 2 Thessalonians 1:8 says:
“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:”

Believing (or obeying) the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 also leads to further glory to God because it guides us to call upon the name of the Lord (seeking forgiveness over our sins with Jesus) for salvation saying “Lord Jesus” (See: Romans 10:12-13, and Romans 10:9). For every tongue will one day confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father (See: Philippians 2:11). We worship (praise) and glorify what the Lord did for us. We glorify and bow before Jesus in that He died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day. We stand in awe of our amazing God of grace (Jesus Christ) and His love or us. We praise Him, and sing to Him of His sacrifice.

So there is only one gospel and it has only one message as found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Side Note:

To see a deeper explanation (with more verses) on Matthew 24:13-14, see here.
For a further explanation on my alternate (or first) explanation on Revelation 14:6-7, see here.
For a further explanation on the gospel before the cross, see here.
 
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Here is a further explanation on my first alternative explanation on Revelation 14:6-7:

While the angel carried the everlasting gospel, it’s possible we don’t get to see the angel in Revelation speak the everlasting gospel message of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 in Scripture. It may be a possibility that the angel’s speech is a beginning speech or merely an introduction so as to ignite sparks in his listeners so that they can be led to the flame of the gospel message (that saves). For we know that Paul says, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8). Obviously the angel in Revelation was a good angel and not a bad one. But the point here is that we are not to trust any other gospel that is contrary to what Paul taught (Which would be the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). In fact, in Revelation 13:8, we get a bread crumb or clue ahead of time of the everlasting gospel message when it says, “…the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Revelation 13:8).

Just preaching Revelation 14:6-7 will not save a person (if they are not aware of the good news gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
Just preaching Romans 2:16 will not save a person.
We know the gospel saves. That is the purpose of the gospel.

“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Corinthians 4:4).

Only in believing that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and risen three days later for our salvation is what gets a person initially saved.
 
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Some may also protest that the gospel is more than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 because Paul says that Peter did not walk uprightly according to the truth of the gospel (Galatians 2:14). But Peter was behaving in a way that ran contrary to the gospel message. Christ died for our sins (i.e. the sins of all men). Yet, Peter acted like the Gentile believers were not worthy to have fellowship with over a meal while he ate with the Jews. He was alienating the brethren in whom Jesus died for. He was not walking according to the truth of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Christ died for all men, and yet Peter was acting contrary to that truth.
 
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Some may say that holy living is an extended part of the gospel message. Now, while I believe holy living by the Spirit (Sanctification) is the next step or stage in the salvation process, I don’t believe it is the gospel. I believe Sanctification is the CALL of the gospel (even though it is not the gospel). 2 Thessalonians 2:14 says that there is a call of the gospel, and this call is defined for us in 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Verse 13 says that God has chosen you to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit, and a belief of the truth. So we are first saved by the gospel, and then we continue in God’s plan of salvation by entering into the Sanctification Process by the Spirit and by continuing to believe the truth of God’s Word by faith. God has chosen us to salvation for these two things (And it is a call of the gospel). So 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 calls us out to live holy by the Spirit and to continue to believe God’s Holy Word (the Bible).
 
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Paul says that the gospel upon which they stand upon is the one in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. See, the problem I have with the gospel is more than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and it includes say…. Holiness….. if holy living is how I get initially saved and it is the foundation upon which I stand, then I am lost. For we cannot be first saved solely on holiness without God’s grace. Believing the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is all about God’s grace and that must be a person’s entrance gate, and foundation. If that is my foundation upon which I stand, then I have a sure anchor at sea. But there are people who want the gospel to be more than that. Sure, there are other things I can label as good news in the Bible, but it is not THE GOOD NEWS or the gospel that Paul talks about in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 that saves.


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Again, I believe Sanctification of the Spirit (to live a holy life) plays a part in the salvation process (after we are saved by God’s grace or the gospel), but that is the CALL of the gospel (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14), and it is not the gospel as found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
 
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Paul says that the gospel upon which they stand upon is the one in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. See, the problem I have with the gospel is more than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and it includes say…. Holiness….. if holy living is how I get initially saved and it is the foundation upon which I stand, then I am lost. For we cannot be first saved solely on holiness without God’s grace. Believing the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is all about God’s grace and that must be a person’s entrance gate, and foundation. If that is my foundation upon which I stand, then I have a sure anchor at sea. But there are people who want the gospel to be more than that. Sure, there are other things I can label as good news in the Bible, but it is not THE GOOD NEWS or the gospel that Paul talks about in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 that saves.


Side Note:

Again, I believe Sanctification of the Spirit (to live a holy life) plays a part in the salvation process (after we are saved by God’s grace or the gospel), but that is the CALL of the gospel (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14), and it is not the gospel as found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

You are backloading works into the gospel message, rather than front loading.
 
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You are backloading works into the gospel message, rather than front loading.

But you are appealing to what you think is moral and good by your point here, right? But the problem is that your belief does not uphold a standard of morality. For you break the very standard of morality you claim to uphold. How so? Well, from our previous conversations, I got the impression that a believer can practice extreme amounts of sin and still be saved. So what you offer sounds absolute wrong and gross. For if a person does not have to do anything after they are saved then they are… Turning God’s grace into a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). So in this obviously false view of a sin and still be saved type belief: Practicing murders, rapists, child abusers who claim to believe in Jesus will be saved. No thanks. I will stick with what God’s Word says. God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).
 
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But you are appealing to what you think is moral and good by your point here, right? But the problem is that your belief does not uphold a standard of morality. For you break the very standard of morality you claim to uphold. How so? Well, from our previous conversations, I got the impression that a believer can practice extreme amounts of sin and still be saved. So what you offer sounds absolute wrong and gross. For if a person does not have to do anything after they are saved then they are… Turning God’s grace into a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). So in this obviously false view of a sin and still be saved type belief: Practicing murders, rapists, child abusers who claim to believe in Jesus will be saved. No thanks. I will stick with what God’s Word says. God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

No, I am trying to say, if you want to be upfront about it, don't backload works into the gospel.

You should be confident enough to front load works into the gospel, by saying salvation requires faith AND works.
 
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No, I am trying to say, if you want to be upfront about it, don't backload works into the gospel.

You should be confident enough to front load works into the gospel, by saying salvation requires faith AND works.

Sorry. My assessment is correct. If holiness is optional, then people will turn God’s grace into a license for immortality. This is what will result when you seek to eliminate in being good as a part of salvation (After one is saved by God’s grace).

Besides faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. Check out this CF thread to learn more with Scripture.

The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith
 
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Sorry. My assessment is correct. If holiness is optional, then people will turn God’s grace into a license for immortality. This is what will result when you seek to eliminate in being good as a part of salvation (After one is saved by God’s grace).

Besides faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. Check out this CF thread to learn more with Scripture.

The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith

So to be clear, are you indeed saying

Salvation = Faith AND works?
 
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If you answer my question first, I will answer that question of yours

If you were to check out my thread on the two sides of the coin of faith, you will see where I am coming from. You may not agree, but at least you see what I believe the Bible teaches.

See again post #71.
 
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If you were to check out my thread on the two sides of the coin of faith, you will see where I am coming from. You may not agree, but at least you see what I believe the Bible teaches.

See again post #71.

My question is a yes or no.

There is neither yes nor no, in that post.
 
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My question is a yes or no.

There is neither yes nor no, in that post.

But sometimes questions are loaded. For example: If I asked, which cats do you like? The green cats that breath fire or the purple cats the fly? So as you can see, these questions would be loaded because they are based on a false premise.

In other words, it’s a matter of perspective of what one means by the definition of faith. I believe there are…

Two Sides of the Coin of Faith:

The 1st Side of the Coin of Faith:

Faith starts off as a belief or trust in Jesus Christ as one's Savior (John 3:16). We are first saved by God's grace through faith without the deeds of the law or works ALONE (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are saved initially and foundationally by God's grace and mercy like the receiving of a gift. We believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We call upon the name of the Lord seeking forgiveness with Him (Romans 10:13, Luke 18:9-14). We receive or invite Christ into our life (John 1:12, Revelation 3:20). If a believer stumbles into sin on rare occasion, they do not do a good work to redeem that sin; But they go to God's grace by confessing their sins to Jesus Christ in order to be forgiven of it (See: 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1, Hebrews 4:16). This is all a part of how we are saved by God's grace through faith. No man can save themselves by Works Alone without God's grace. Many people who believe in God, and yet they have not accepted Jesus as their Savior think that God will outweigh their good deeds over their bad deeds. Salvation does not work like that. For they do not realize that their bad deeds will condemn them. They need to have their past slate of sins wiped out. This is where God's grace through faith in Jesus comes in.

But faith does not end with being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

The journey of faith continues with...​

The 2nd Side of the Coin of Faith:

#1. Faith manifests itself with the “work of faith” mentioned by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:3, and 2 Thessalonians 1:11. Protestants seem to separate works from faith in a way that goes beyond how James describes them. Yet, the apostle Paul mentions that there is a “work of faith.” The Bible talks about the “work of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 15:58) (1 Corinthians 16:10), and I imagine if I asked a Protestant Christian if the “work” within the “work of the Lord” is separate from “the Lord,” they most likely would say they are not separated. But when it comes to the “work of faith,” they will say that works and faith are separate things (Which in my view is not being consistent or honest with oneself).


#2. The word “faithful” is also mentioned 54 times in the New Testament King James Bible. The dictionary defines faithful as:

Faithful:
(adjective):

1. true to one's word, promises, vows, etc.
2. steady in allegiance or affection; loyal; constant: faithful friends.
3. reliable, trusted, or believed.
4. strict or thorough in the performance of duty: a faithful worker.
Source:

Definition of faithful | Dictionary.com

This definition is supported by the context in many verses in the Bible. It does not take a detective to figure out that the word “faithful” derives from the word “faith.” They are related and connected to each other. A person is loyal (or faithful) to their master based on their faith in him in what he says. For example: 2 Thessalonians 3:3 says, “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.” So the Lord is said to be faithful in this verse. How is the Lord faithful? Is it by a belief alone? No. The Lord is faithful to strengthening us (or in establishing us) to keep us from evil. The Lord does something when He is faithful. Revelation 2:10 says to a particular church, “be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Many Protestants have tried to come up with tricky ways to not apply this verse to their own life. I believe they do not accept what this verse plainly says because it contradicts their “Faith Alone” teaching that was handed down to them from Martin Luther (the founder of Protestantism).

#3. Romans 10:17. It says,

“So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.”
(Romans 10:17).
How do we get our faith? According to Romans 10:17, we get our faith by hearing the Word of God. I believe that the “Word of God” can refer to either Jesus, and or the Bible (depending on the context) (Note: See this thread here to see the connection in Scripture between the Living Word and the Bible). Anyways, in this particular instance in Romans 10:17: I believe the “Word of God” refers to the words of Jesus (which are found in the Holy Bible). We must receive the words of Jesus because if we do not, His words will judge us on the last day (See: John 12:48). This would also include the words of His apostles, as well. For Jesus says, “He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” (Matthew 10:40). So faith is basically everything in my New Testament because it gives us an account of the words of Jesus and His followers. We get our faith by believing and obeying what Jesus and His apostles said. Faith is everything in your New Testament, and faith is not just a belief alone in Jesus.


#4. Hebrews 11.
Hebrews 11 gives us an account of what faith does. “By faith Noah, ... prepared an ark to the saving of his house;...” (Hebrews 11:7). “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:” (Hebrews 11:17). “By faith Moses, ... refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;” (Hebrews 11:24-25). So by faith, the great men of God obeyed God and or put forth holy actions (or the “work of faith”). So in Hebrews 11, the word “faith” is used to represent something a believer does. This faith also rejects sin in one's life, for Moses suffered with the affliction of God's people rather than enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

#5. Peter failed to continue to walk on the water (Which is a work of God).
What was the reason why Peter later failed to continue to walk on the water? Jesus said, “O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” (Matthew 14:31). This again proves that the work of God that can operate in our life is tied to our faith. For in Ephesians 2:9 it refers to Man Directed Works ALONE Salvationism (without God's grace) because it is the kind of work that a man would boast in himself by doing it. But Ephesians 2:10 talks about an entirely different kind of work. It is the work of God done through the believer. These are the works that we are created unto Christ Jesus to do. They are the works of God done through us. For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). For it is God who works in us to do of His good will and pleasure (Philippians 2:13). So any good we do, all praise, glory, thanks, and honor is given to our Lord Jesus Christ and or to the glorious Trinity (or Godhead).

#6. Paul also mentions that there is an “obedience to the faith" (or obedience of faith) at the beginning and end of the book of Romans (See: Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26). Romans 6 says,

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16).
So we have to have obedience unto righteousness. For Romans 6 also says, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22). So our obedience unto righteousness is being servants of God and having fruit unto holiness with having the end of everlasting life. This is all a part of the obedience to the faith. There is no such thing as the disobedience of the faith. For Ephesians 5 says, “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” (Ephesians 5:3-6).


#7. John 3:36 (The Greek word “apeitheō” used in John 3:36 for the English words: “believeth not” (KJB) is translated as “obey not” or “disobedient” in other English bible verses. For example: 1 Peter 3:1, and 1 Peter 3:20 translates apeitheō as “obey not” or “disobedient” and it is used context to being disobedient in regards to one’s righteous conduct (Whereas John 3:36 is translated as believeth not” in the King James Bible). Some translations render the KJB’s John 3:36 “believeth not" as “obey not” in other Translations (NLT, ESV, BLB, NASB, ASV, EXB, GNT). In other words, sometimes the words “believeth not” is synonymous with “obey not” (depending on the context). In fact, you can check this Greek word for yourself and it's usage here at BlueLetterBible.

#8. Works makes a person’s faith perfect (James 2:22).

This connects in with 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Doctrine and instruction in righteousness is profitable so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works. Anyways, the point here is that your faith is perfected by works. Thus, this shows us that there is a symbiotic relationship between faith and works that cannot be separated.

#9. 2 Corinthians 5:7 says: “We walk by faith.” So faith is not something whereby you do nothing but believe. We are to walk by faith. Walking is an action.

#10. Examine whether you be in the faith - 2 Corinthians 13:5. How do we do this? Well, this is by proving Christ is in you. How can we show that we know the Lord? By keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). However, the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). So keeping His commands is tied to knowing the Lord, and knowing the Lord is in us is a part of our examination of whether we are in the faith or not (2 Corinthians 13:5).

#11. Galatians 5:6 says, “faith which worketh by love.”
Paul says in context within Galatians:

“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Galatians 5:13-14).
So faith works by love. It works in love by loving one another. Faith is not just a belief alone.


#12. Philippians 2:17 talks about “the service of your faith.” Service is a form of work. So our faith will have service or work attached. So there is no faith that is alone or remains as a belief alone. True faith will have it's service.

#13. 2 Thessalonians 3:2 says, “And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.” This is suggesting that faith is not a belief alone whereby we can live wickedly. For it says that we may be delivered from wicked men for (because) all men have not faith. So the opposite of wickedness is holiness. So this verse is implying indirectly that our good and moral conduct is tied to the faith.

#14. 1 Timothy 5:8 says, “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” An infidel is an unbeliever. If faith is exclusively a belief alone then how can a person deny the faith by their misconduct?

#15. 1 Timothy 6:12 says, “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,” We have to FIGHT the good fight of faith in order to lay hold on eternal life. So faith is something we have to fight for and it is not a belief alone.

#16. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describes those who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. They are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. These types are said to be reprobate concerning the faith (See: 2 Timothy 3:8). So faith is not a belief alone in Jesus whereby one’s conduct is not in line with true godliness.

#17. James 2:1 says, “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.” This means faith is not a belief alone in Jesus, but it also includes one’s actions in not neglecting to love the poor brethren while one shows favor to the rich brethren.

#18. Jude says:

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 1:3-4).
Verse 3 says that we are to contend for the faith and verse 4 says there are certain ungodly men who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness. Meaning, they are teaching that a person can sin and still be saved by God’s grace. But we are told to contend for the faith.


#19. Revelation 13:10 says,

“Anyone who is destined for prison will be taken to prison.
Anyone destined to die by the sword will die by the sword.
This means that God’s holy people must endure
persecution patiently and remain faithful.”
(Revelation 13:10) (NLT).

“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:
he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
(Revelation 13:10 (KJB).
In other words, this is saying that believers can sometimes go to prison and or be killed as a part of the faith (or in being faithful, i.e. the faith).


#20. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17). Can a dead faith save anyone?

#21. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). The same word “justified" is used for both faith and works. Most Christians will not argue against how we are justified by faith in regards to salvation. But this same word “justified" is used in reference for works, too.

#22. James says he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18).
For James says,

“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith,
and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works,
and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
(James 2:18).
James appears to criticize the person who has faith without works by saying show me your faith without works, and I will show my faith by my works. This means faith and works are tied together because works is how one shows their faith.
So in conclusion:

Faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. The first side of the coin of faith is trusting or believing in God's grace and seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus and believing the gospel, and the second side (or other side) of the coin of faith is the “work of faith.” (that is a part of the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit that helps us to live a holy life).

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Hebrews 12:14).

“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).
 
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But sometimes questions are loaded. For example: If I asked, which cats do you like? The green cats that breath fire or the purple cats the fly? So as you can see, these questions would be loaded because they are based on a false premise.

In other words, it’s a matter of perspective of what one means by the definition of faith. I believe there are…

Two Sides of the Coin of Faith:

The 1st Side of the Coin of Faith:

Faith starts off as a belief or trust in Jesus Christ as one's Savior (John 3:16). We are first saved by God's grace through faith without the deeds of the law or works ALONE (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are saved initially and foundationally by God's grace and mercy like the receiving of a gift. We believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We call upon the name of the Lord seeking forgiveness with Him (Romans 10:13, Luke 18:9-14). We receive or invite Christ into our life (John 1:12, Revelation 3:20). If a believer stumbles into sin on rare occasion, they do not do a good work to redeem that sin; But they go to God's grace by confessing their sins to Jesus Christ in order to be forgiven of it (See: 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1, Hebrews 4:16). This is all a part of how we are saved by God's grace through faith. No man can save themselves by Works Alone without God's grace. Many people who believe in God, and yet they have not accepted Jesus as their Savior think that God will outweigh their good deeds over their bad deeds. Salvation does not work like that. For they do not realize that their bad deeds will condemn them. They need to have their past slate of sins wiped out. This is where God's grace through faith in Jesus comes in.

But faith does not end with being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

The journey of faith continues with...​

The 2nd Side of the Coin of Faith:

#1. Faith manifests itself with the “work of faith” mentioned by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:3, and 2 Thessalonians 1:11. Protestants seem to separate works from faith in a way that goes beyond how James describes them. Yet, the apostle Paul mentions that there is a “work of faith.” The Bible talks about the “work of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 15:58) (1 Corinthians 16:10), and I imagine if I asked a Protestant Christian if the “work” within the “work of the Lord” is separate from “the Lord,” they most likely would say they are not separated. But when it comes to the “work of faith,” they will say that works and faith are separate things (Which in my view is not being consistent or honest with oneself).


#2. The word “faithful” is also mentioned 54 times in the New Testament King James Bible. The dictionary defines faithful as:

Faithful:
(adjective):

1. true to one's word, promises, vows, etc.
2. steady in allegiance or affection; loyal; constant: faithful friends.
3. reliable, trusted, or believed.
4. strict or thorough in the performance of duty: a faithful worker.
Source:

Definition of faithful | Dictionary.com

This definition is supported by the context in many verses in the Bible. It does not take a detective to figure out that the word “faithful” derives from the word “faith.” They are related and connected to each other. A person is loyal (or faithful) to their master based on their faith in him in what he says. For example: 2 Thessalonians 3:3 says, “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.” So the Lord is said to be faithful in this verse. How is the Lord faithful? Is it by a belief alone? No. The Lord is faithful to strengthening us (or in establishing us) to keep us from evil. The Lord does something when He is faithful. Revelation 2:10 says to a particular church, “be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Many Protestants have tried to come up with tricky ways to not apply this verse to their own life. I believe they do not accept what this verse plainly says because it contradicts their “Faith Alone” teaching that was handed down to them from Martin Luther (the founder of Protestantism).

#3. Romans 10:17. It says,

“So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.”
(Romans 10:17).
How do we get our faith? According to Romans 10:17, we get our faith by hearing the Word of God. I believe that the “Word of God” can refer to either Jesus, and or the Bible (depending on the context) (Note: See this thread here to see the connection in Scripture between the Living Word and the Bible). Anyways, in this particular instance in Romans 10:17: I believe the “Word of God” refers to the words of Jesus (which are found in the Holy Bible). We must receive the words of Jesus because if we do not, His words will judge us on the last day (See: John 12:48). This would also include the words of His apostles, as well. For Jesus says, “He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” (Matthew 10:40). So faith is basically everything in my New Testament because it gives us an account of the words of Jesus and His followers. We get our faith by believing and obeying what Jesus and His apostles said. Faith is everything in your New Testament, and faith is not just a belief alone in Jesus.


#4. Hebrews 11.
Hebrews 11 gives us an account of what faith does. “By faith Noah, ... prepared an ark to the saving of his house;...” (Hebrews 11:7). “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:” (Hebrews 11:17). “By faith Moses, ... refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;” (Hebrews 11:24-25). So by faith, the great men of God obeyed God and or put forth holy actions (or the “work of faith”). So in Hebrews 11, the word “faith” is used to represent something a believer does. This faith also rejects sin in one's life, for Moses suffered with the affliction of God's people rather than enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

#5. Peter failed to continue to walk on the water (Which is a work of God).
What was the reason why Peter later failed to continue to walk on the water? Jesus said, “O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” (Matthew 14:31). This again proves that the work of God that can operate in our life is tied to our faith. For in Ephesians 2:9 it refers to Man Directed Works ALONE Salvationism (without God's grace) because it is the kind of work that a man would boast in himself by doing it. But Ephesians 2:10 talks about an entirely different kind of work. It is the work of God done through the believer. These are the works that we are created unto Christ Jesus to do. They are the works of God done through us. For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). For it is God who works in us to do of His good will and pleasure (Philippians 2:13). So any good we do, all praise, glory, thanks, and honor is given to our Lord Jesus Christ and or to the glorious Trinity (or Godhead).

#6. Paul also mentions that there is an “obedience to the faith" (or obedience of faith) at the beginning and end of the book of Romans (See: Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26). Romans 6 says,

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16).
So we have to have obedience unto righteousness. For Romans 6 also says, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22). So our obedience unto righteousness is being servants of God and having fruit unto holiness with having the end of everlasting life. This is all a part of the obedience to the faith. There is no such thing as the disobedience of the faith. For Ephesians 5 says, “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” (Ephesians 5:3-6).


#7. John 3:36 (The Greek word “apeitheō” used in John 3:36 for the English words: “believeth not” (KJB) is translated as “obey not” or “disobedient” in other English bible verses. For example: 1 Peter 3:1, and 1 Peter 3:20 translates apeitheō as “obey not” or “disobedient” and it is used context to being disobedient in regards to one’s righteous conduct (Whereas John 3:36 is translated as believeth not” in the King James Bible). Some translations render the KJB’s John 3:36 “believeth not" as “obey not” in other Translations (NLT, ESV, BLB, NASB, ASV, EXB, GNT). In other words, sometimes the words “believeth not” is synonymous with “obey not” (depending on the context). In fact, you can check this Greek word for yourself and it's usage here at BlueLetterBible.

#8. Works makes a person’s faith perfect (James 2:22).

This connects in with 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Doctrine and instruction in righteousness is profitable so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works. Anyways, the point here is that your faith is perfected by works. Thus, this shows us that there is a symbiotic relationship between faith and works that cannot be separated.

#9. 2 Corinthians 5:7 says: “We walk by faith.” So faith is not something whereby you do nothing but believe. We are to walk by faith. Walking is an action.

#10. Examine whether you be in the faith - 2 Corinthians 13:5. How do we do this? Well, this is by proving Christ is in you. How can we show that we know the Lord? By keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). However, the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). So keeping His commands is tied to knowing the Lord, and knowing the Lord is in us is a part of our examination of whether we are in the faith or not (2 Corinthians 13:5).

#11. Galatians 5:6 says, “faith which worketh by love.”
Paul says in context within Galatians:

“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Galatians 5:13-14).
So faith works by love. It works in love by loving one another. Faith is not just a belief alone.


#12. Philippians 2:17 talks about “the service of your faith.” Service is a form of work. So our faith will have service or work attached. So there is no faith that is alone or remains as a belief alone. True faith will have it's service.

#13. 2 Thessalonians 3:2 says, “And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.” This is suggesting that faith is not a belief alone whereby we can live wickedly. For it says that we may be delivered from wicked men for (because) all men have not faith. So the opposite of wickedness is holiness. So this verse is implying indirectly that our good and moral conduct is tied to the faith.

#14. 1 Timothy 5:8 says, “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” An infidel is an unbeliever. If faith is exclusively a belief alone then how can a person deny the faith by their misconduct?

#15. 1 Timothy 6:12 says, “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,” We have to FIGHT the good fight of faith in order to lay hold on eternal life. So faith is something we have to fight for and it is not a belief alone.

#16. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describes those who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. They are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. These types are said to be reprobate concerning the faith (See: 2 Timothy 3:8). So faith is not a belief alone in Jesus whereby one’s conduct is not in line with true godliness.

#17. James 2:1 says, “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.” This means faith is not a belief alone in Jesus, but it also includes one’s actions in not neglecting to love the poor brethren while one shows favor to the rich brethren.

#18. Jude says:

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 1:3-4).
Verse 3 says that we are to contend for the faith and verse 4 says there are certain ungodly men who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness. Meaning, they are teaching that a person can sin and still be saved by God’s grace. But we are told to contend for the faith.


#19. Revelation 13:10 says,

“Anyone who is destined for prison will be taken to prison.
Anyone destined to die by the sword will die by the sword.
This means that God’s holy people must endure
persecution patiently and remain faithful.”
(Revelation 13:10) (NLT).

“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:
he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
(Revelation 13:10 (KJB).
In other words, this is saying that believers can sometimes go to prison and or be killed as a part of the faith (or in being faithful, i.e. the faith).


#20. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17). Can a dead faith save anyone?

#21. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). The same word “justified" is used for both faith and works. Most Christians will not argue against how we are justified by faith in regards to salvation. But this same word “justified" is used in reference for works, too.

#22. James says he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18).
For James says,

“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith,
and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works,
and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
(James 2:18).
James appears to criticize the person who has faith without works by saying show me your faith without works, and I will show my faith by my works. This means faith and works are tied together because works is how one shows their faith.​
So in conclusion:

Faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. The first side of the coin of faith is trusting or believing in God's grace and seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus and believing the gospel, and the second side (or other side) of the coin of faith is the “work of faith.” (that is a part of the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit that helps us to live a holy life).

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Hebrews 12:14).

“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).

Instead of cutting and pasting the above, why not just say Salvation, to you, is faith AND works?

If that is what you believe in, be confident in stating it simply and clearly, as I have said.
 
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Instead of cutting and pasting the above, why not just say Salvation, to you, is faith AND works?

If that is what you believe in, be confident in stating it simply and clearly, as I have said.

The work is my own and so it’s not an article I grabbed off the internet, but it is my own thoughts on the topic with Scripture. I think the real issue here is not that I reposted one of my writings here for you (as if it was somehow wrong to do that), but it has to do with you not wanting to deal with the truth of what God’s Word says. For I know, that if you were to look at the verses, it would demolish your belief back where it originated from. For I made a really solid argument on how faith is not how people generally think it to be.

For you have in your mind what the word “faith” means, and the Bible has it’s own terminology on what that word means. For you… works and living holy (i.e. the Sanctification Process of the Spirit) can only mean works and it cannot include it in being a part of the faith. Also, God does the work through the believer, and so it’s not exactly their work alone whereby they would seek to pat themselves on the back. Fruit is the proof that God lives in a person. But if my memory serves me correctly by your own words: You are implying we do not need proof that God lives in a person and they can live like the devil and be saved by having a belief alone in Jesus. Sorry, I will stick with what the Bible says and not what you teach. I will stick by the goodness of God and not the popular sin and still be saved theology that has grown like a cancer in these last days.
 
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Instead of cutting and pasting the above, why not just say Salvation, to you, is faith AND works?

If that is what you believe in, be confident in stating it simply and clearly, as I have said.

I am here to talk about the Bible and to study His Word with others. I provided lots of Bible verses for you to discuss. It seems like you just want to push your own unbiblical beliefs rather than discuss God’s Word. So the ball is in your court if you wan to truly have a Bible discussion.
 
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