US birthrate continues to decline

eleos1954 said:

Unreported crime causes measurement errors that skew the perception of the true crime rate.

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If it is unreported, how do you know about it? What is true is that the perception of an increase in violence has increased. The figures show a different picture in almost every advanced country. Peak crime was 1995 or thereabouts almost everywhere figures are available.

Whyayeman said:

If it is unreported, how do you know about it? What is true is that the perception of an increase in violence has increased. The figures show a different picture in almost every advanced country. Peak crime was 1995 or thereabouts almost ever

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well there are some surveys out there about it .... we know it goes on, just really don't know to what degree ... some examples ...

child abuse ..... how many children report this?
rape .... how many go unreported?
domestic violence
Emotional abuse (of various kinds)
Slavery -
There are an estimated 21 million to 45 million people trapped in some form of slavery today. It's sometimes called “Modern-Day Slavery” and sometimes “Human Trafficking." At all times it is slavery at its core.

So are you saying if it isn't reported then it is non existent? It doesn't become a crime unless it's reported?

Again .... this is looking at the worldview.

eleos1954 said:

So are you saying if it isn't reported then it is non existent?

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With no measure of it or data about it, it's speculation in the face of all data showing a multi decade downward trend in violent crime.

eleos1954 said:

we know it goes on, just really don't know to what degree

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That is in my view the epitome of prejudiced opinion.

Whyayeman said:

That is in my view the epitome of prejudiced opinion.

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and or course that's just your opinion ;o)

So are you saying if it isn't reported then it is non existent? It doesn't become a crime unless it's reported?

eleos1954 said:

So are you saying if it isn't reported then it is non existent?

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No. I am saying that if it is not reported you cannot know about it. Making an assumption such as this without knowing the facts is pre-judging. What other definition for prejudice is there?

However, you, like me, are entitled to your opinion, even when your opinion runs counter to the history of violence in the developed world..

eleos1954 said:

Depends on how one defines and measures violent behavior, much violent behavior goes unreported .... that is .... many crimes not being reported.

Unreported crime causes measurement errors that skew the perception of the true crime rate.

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if crimes are unreported then how do you know about them since and let me keep this as simple as possible they are not being reported according to you. frankly that is asinine logic.

Whyayeman said:

No. I am saying that if it is not reported you cannot know about it. Making an assumption such as this without knowing the facts is pre-judging. What other definition for prejudice is there?

However, you, like me, are entitled to your opinion, even when your opinion runs counter to the history of violence in the developed world..

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Victimizations Not Reported to the Police, 2006-2010

and this is just the U.S.

There we are! There is a difference between not reporting to the police and not reported at all. Your source is impeccable and makes it quite clear that these incidents were reported - just not to the police.

WASHINGTON – More than half of the nation’s violent crimes, or nearly 3.4 million violent victimizations per year, went unreported to the police between 2006 and 2010, according to a new report published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).

For some reason some people want to believe what cannot be demonstrated by the facts. Let this be an end of this exchange and return to the topic.

eleos1954 said:

So are you saying if it isn't reported then it is non existent?

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If it is unreported how do you know it has happened? There are an infinite number of things that have not been reported.

How do you think evidence works?

Tanj said:

Growing share of childless adults in U.S. don’t expect to ever have children

Some 44% of non-parents ages 18 to 49 say it is not too or not at all likely that they will have children someday, an increase of 7 percentage points from the 37% who said the same in a 2018 survey. Meanwhile, 74% of adults younger than 50 who are already parents say they are unlikely to have more kids.
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Nearly half of young adults without kids say they'll never have any children. 75% of those with kids say they wont have any more. Should be an interesting world in 20 years

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Buying a house is expensive, wages aren't getting any higher, and the hospital bills for a simple delivery are through the roof. Not everyone can afford children.

Larnievc said:

If it is unreported how do you know it has happened? There are an infinite number of things that have not been reported.

How do you think evidence works?

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There's info out there about it (take your pick of what you deem "credible") ... we KNOW it goes on .... difficult to figure out to what degree ... and if one thinks it's not going on then they are fooling themselves.

There are an infinite number of things that have not been reported.

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Yes and crimes not being reported is one of them. That does not mean they don't exist.

eleos1954 said:

we KNOW it goes on

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Elios knows, but cannot say how. He just does.

[Now, please, to the topic. Or start one about non-evidential knowledge of the crime rate.]

jayem said:

This isn’t just an American phenomenon. It’s my understanding that all of the technologically advanced 1st world nations have low birthrates. That’s why immigration should not be seen as a threat. Some may think it undesirable, but to maintain our economy and way of life, we need immigrants (legal, of course) as workers, consumers, and tax payers.

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Its very hard to be a legal immigrant to the USA. I read about it recently.

To get a Green Card one would need:
a) to find a US employer who is willing to sponsor him, which is very hard before one will actually get there
b) to marry a US citizen, which is quite a weird way to get there and not for everybody
c) to win in the diversity lottery, but chances are quite low for Europeans
d) to get asylum because of persecution, again, quite impossible for people from normal countries

So, this puts the USA immigration to the position where it is frequently illegal and/or from very poor or bad countries.

Whyayeman said:

Elios knows, but cannot say how. He just does.

[Now, please, to the topic. Or start one about non-evidential knowledge of the crime rate.]

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No eleos uses past experience and I know I wasn't the only one who had experiences.

Not that it is anyones business and I won't go into it ..... but over the course of my lifetime (especially during my childhood years) crimes against me occurred and I did not report them .... also saw same in my friends lives.

not that it matters but I am not a he ... I am a she. Now do you accept that as fact or do you take my word for it?

Now, please, to the topic. Or start one about non-evidential knowledge of the crime rate.

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Open it yourself if you want

eleos1954 said:

I am a she

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OK. I will remember.

myst33 said:

Its very hard to be a legal immigrant to the USA. I read about it recently.

To get a Green Card one would need:
a) to find a US employer who is willing to sponsor him, which is very hard before one will actually get there
b) to marry a US citizen, which is quite a weird way to get there and not for everybody
c) to win in the diversity lottery, but chances are quite low for Europeans
d) to get asylum because of persecution, again, quite impossible for people from normal countries

So, this puts the USA immigration to the position where it is frequently illegal and/or from very poor or bad countries.

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I agree. There has always been an ugly element of nativism in this country opposed to immigration. But immigration is what made us a world power.. In 1870, our population was about 39,000,000. In the 1920 census, just a half century later, we had over 106,000,000 people. (These numbers can be easily confirmed on-line.) There's no way that any nation's population can triple in 50 years by the natural birth rate alone. Our population boom resulted from immigration--especially from central, eastern, and southern Europe. It wasn't easy for these folks. They weren't always trusted or treated fairly, and too often were abused. But immigration is how the US became the planet's economic, political, and military leader. If we have any intelligence, humanity, and any understanding of history, we would welcome immigrants--not malign, disparage, or reject them.

Belk said:

If it is not being reported how do you know about it?

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A poster just ... knows.... these things.....

Belk said:

If the degree is unknown then we can not claim it has increased.

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Well, we just know so much more about what we don't know that we know that is unknown. Got it?

cow451 said:

Well, we just know so much more about what we don't know that we know that is unknown. Got it?

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An orange, because a vest has no sleeves?