Premillennialism ignores the tenses in the original Greek in order to sustain its teaching

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

claninja said:
I believe the 1,000 years are symbolic for Christ’s resurrection. Christ’s resurrection bound Satan, who had the power over death, and cast him out.

Yet, satan doesn't remain bound until he is cast into the LOF, he is loosed before he is cast into the LOF. If Christ’s resurrection bound Satan, what does Christ’s resurrection do to satan once he is loosed? When he is loosed he couldn't possibly still be bound as well. This argument that Amils use, that Christ's resurrection bound satan makes zero sense when you factor in that satan doesn't stay bound until he is cast into the LOF.

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

Timtofly said:
Why not just post your own verses to validate more detail?

There is Ezekiel 38 and 39 that might fill in the missing details. And if so, it wouldn't help to prove Premil, it would help to prove Amil instead. Neither of those chapters involve a time 1000 years after Christ's return. Yet, those chapters involve the holy city being surrounded, and God devouring them with fire.

Ezekiel 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Edited to add: I just thought of something, though. Don't know why I didn't think about this earlier. Revelation 20:7-9 involves the camp of the saints being surrounded. Ezekiel 38-39 involves the house of Israel being surrounded while God is still hiding His face from them, thus they don't fit the camp of saints at that time. And here I have been thinking that Ezekiel 38-39 maybe supports Amil which doesn't appear to be the case at all.

claninja · Nov 29, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
So Satan's little started at Satan's casting out in association with Christ’s resurrection and ascension and ends at Christ's literal physical future climactic parousia?

1.) Please provide an example where i do not understand Amil, Otherwise the readers can see your statement is just a false smokescreen.

2.) my understanding, because I was raised Amil ( church and Christian Amil grade school and high school), is that the traditional Amil position, in regards to revelation 20:4, is about souls reigning in heaven prior to the resurrection. Where is your other scriptural evidence of this: souls reigning in heaven, just as you demand premils produce other scripture of a literal 1,000 year reign?

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

claninja said:
2.) my understanding, because I was raised Amil ( church and Christian Amil grade school and high school), is that the traditional Amil position, in regards to revelation 20:4, is about souls reigning in heaven prior to the resurrection. Where is your other scriptural evidence of this: souls reigning in heaven, just as you demand premils produce other scripture of a literal 1,000 year reign?

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

If the thousand year reign continues upon death but prior to the bodily resurrection, well this verse indicates that they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. We can't divorce this part from the thousand year reigning---but they shall be priests of God and of Christ. What we end up with is total nonsense, something that is not supported by one single Scripture in the entire Bible---souls without bodies reigning in heaven being priests of God and of Christ while in that state. As if heaven is in need of priests like that. Jesus is a priest in heaven, yet He has a body and that He can still communicate with ppl back on earth via the Spirit of God. No human while in a bodiless state can communicate with anyone back on earth.

When I bring things like this up, I usually get, have you been to heaven? How then do you know they aren't priests of God and Christ while in that state? That works both ways, though. Those asking me this, have they been to heaven in order to verify this is so? In the meantime all we have is the Bible in order to try and sort these things out. There is nothing in the Bible anywhere that supports souls without bodies reigning in heaven being priests of God and Christ while in that state.

sovereigngrace · Nov 29, 2021

claninja said:
1.) Please provide an example where i do not understand Amil, Otherwise the readers can see your statement is just a false smokescreen.

2.) my understanding, because I was raised Amil ( church and Christian Amil grade school and high school), is that the traditional Amil position, in regards to revelation 20:4, is about souls reigning in heaven prior to the resurrection. Where is your other scriptural evidence of this: souls reigning in heaven, just as you demand premils produce other scripture of a literal 1,000 year reign?

So, Satan's little season started at Satan's casting out in association with Christ’s resurrection and ascension and ends at Christ's literal physical future climactic parousia?

sovereigngrace · Nov 29, 2021

DavidPT said:
When I bring things like this up, I usually get, have you been to heaven? How then do you know they aren't priests of God and Christ while in that state? That works both ways, though. Those asking me this, have they been to heaven in order to verify this is so?

claninja · Nov 29, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
So Satan's little started at Satan's casting out in association with Christ’s resurrection and ascension and ends at Christ's literal physical future climactic parousia?

1.) Please provide an example where i do not understand Amil, Otherwise the readers can see your statement is just a false smokescreen.

2.) my understanding, because I was raised Amil ( church and Christian Amil grade school and high school), is that the traditional Amil position, in regards to revelation 20:4, is about souls reigning in heaven prior to the resurrection. Where is your other scriptural evidence of this: souls reigning in heaven, just as you demand premils produce other scripture of a literal 1,000 year reign?

claninja · Nov 29, 2021

DavidPT said:
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ.

Well, we know the body of Christ is currently a royal priesthood, as Peter tells us so in 1 Peter 2:9

DavidPT said:
What we end up with is total nonsense, something that is not supported by one single Scripture in the entire Bible---souls without bodies reigning in heaven being priests of God and of Christ while in that state.

agreed, there is no scriptural support for souls going to heaven to live and reign prior to the resurrection.

claninja · Nov 29, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
What Amil has ever asked this?

see quote below from spiritualjew:

Spiritual Jew said:
Have you been to heaven? Have you seen the souls of the dead in Christ there? If not, then don't try to tell me what they're doing up there.

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

claninja said:
agreed, there is no scriptural support for souls going to heaven to live and reign prior to the resurrection.

Yet, Revelation 20:4 and verse 6 indicate that everyone that has part in the first resurrection, they live and reign with Christ a thousand years. In verse 4 that is being applied to the martyred saints not saints who are still physically alive and haven't even died yet. Therefore, a bodily resurrection of the martyrs recorded in verse 4 makes far better sense. Otherwise we have to assume they are reigning in heaven a thousand years. These martyrs have to be reigning somehere a thousand years with Christ. There is no getting around that since that is what the text indicates. We then have to ask ourselves, which makes better sense in regards to these martyrs recorded in verse 4? They reign in heaven as souls without bodies, being priests to God and Christ while in that state? Or they reign on earth in bodies, being priests to God and Christ while in that state?

sovereigngrace · Nov 29, 2021

claninja said:
1.) Please provide an example where i do not understand Amil, Otherwise the readers can see your statement is just a false smokescreen.

2.) my understanding, because I was raised Amil ( church and Christian Amil grade school and high school), is that the traditional Amil position, in regards to revelation 20:4, is about souls reigning in heaven prior to the resurrection. Where is your other scriptural evidence of this: souls reigning in heaven, just as you demand premils produce other scripture of a literal 1,000 year reign?

I have showed you different examples over the years of your misunderstandings. Why will you not answer a simple question that most Christians are happy to address?

So, Satan's little season started at Satan's casting out in association with Christ’s resurrection and ascension and ends at Christ's literal physical future climactic parousia?

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
I have showed you different examples over the years of your misunderstandings. Why will you not answer a simple question that most Christians are happy to address?

So, Satan's little started at Satan's casting out in association with Christ’s resurrection and ascension and ends at Christ's literal physical future climactic parousia?

If one is going to be honest here, there is nothing recorded in the book of Revelation, meaning before ch 20, that fits a 2000 thousand year period where satan is in the pit at the time. It all appears to fit with a time when satan is not in the pit. There are only two times when satan is not in the pit. Either before the thousand years or after. The question is, the chapters that precede ch 20, are they involving a time before satan is in the pit, or are they involving a time after he is loosed from the pit? If after, why would the book of Revelation record his little season after the thousand years, but not record his binding during the thousand years? Can any Amil point out anything in the book of Revelation, meaning before ch 20, where it fits with a time that satan is bound rather than loosed?

Let's look at some of Revelation 12 since some of that involves the past 2000 years.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

If none of that involves the past 2000 years, the same 2000 years Amils insist are meaning the thousand years, then I give up.

sovereigngrace · Nov 29, 2021

DavidPT said:
If one is going to be honest here, there is nothing recorded in the book of Revelation, meaning before ch 20, that fits a 2000 thousand year period where satan is in the pit at the time. It all appears to fit with a time when satan is not in the pit. There are only two times when satan is not in the pit. Either before the thousand years or after. The question is, the chapters that precede ch 20, are they involving a time before satan is in the pit, or are they involving a time after he is loosed from the pit? If after, why would the book of Revelation record his little season after the thousand years, but not record his binding during the thousand years? Can any Amil point out anything in the book of Revelation, meaning before ch 20, where it fits with a time that satan is bound rather than loosed?

Let's look at some of Revelation 12 since some of that involves the past 2000 years.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Is this meaning before he is in the pit, while he is in the pit, or after he is released from the pit?

If none of that involves the past 2000 years, the same 2000 years Amils insist are meaning the thousand years, then I give up.

You do not seem to grasp what the abyss is. What is more, Revelation 9 shows the devil to be in the pit before the second coming. You carefully ignore that because it exposes your position.

You are also overlooking some key symbolic variables. We are viewing a dragon being threw into a prison. The dragon symbolically represents Satan. But it is a figurative portrayal. The prison is a spiritual condition rather than a geographical location. What is more, this occurs in the intra-Advent period until Satan is released at the end for his final assault upon the saints.

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

NM meant to edit not repost. Let me try that again.

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
You do not seem to have any concept of what the abyss means. What is more, Revelation 9 shows the devil to be in the pit before the second coming. You carefully ignore that because it exposes your position.

You are overlooking some key symbolic variables. We are viewing a dragon being threw into a prison. The dragon symbolically represents Satan. But it is a figurative portrayal. The prison is a spiritual condition rather than a geographical location.

Let's look at something in Revelation 20 for a moment.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

To battle involves warfare, right? If this is something that he does not set out to do until after he is released, shouldn't this be telling us that while he is bound he is not waging war on anyone at the time? Yet, in Revelation 12, as soon as he sees he is cast unto the earth he sets out to persecute the woman. That sounds like some warfare going on per his part. Then the last verse in that ch shows him going to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. When do you think the beginning of that is meaning?

sovereigngrace · Nov 29, 2021

DavidPT said:
Let's look at something in Revelation 20 for a moment.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

To battle involves warfare, right? If this is something that he does not set out to do until after he is released, shouldn't this be telling us that while he is bound he is not waging war on anyone at the time? Yet, in Revelation 12, as soon as he sees he is cast unto the earth he sets out to persecute the woman. That sounds like some warfare going on per his part. Then the last verse in that ch shows him going to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. When do you think the beginning of that is meaning?

Why are Premils always so keen to elevate the power and influence of Satan and denigrate and denounce the power and influence of Christ? This is another reason why all Bible-believing Christians should question Premil.

Please read it. Satan is limited and restrained in Revelation 12 to what he can do. He is overcome by the Church. God's people are protected.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

What resulted?

This passage demonstrates that the devil is a loser. In fact, it portrays him as a five-time loser. He had five unsuccessful assaults upon Christ, His angels and His people. This is the story of history.

Attack 1

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Attack 2

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The angels of heaven fought with Satan and his angels after Christ conquered sin, death, and hell. They marvelously defeated him and evicted him from heaven; Satan proved himself once again to be a loser.

Attack 3

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Attack 4

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth

Attack 5

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

We know Satan is overcome because Christ overcame him. He can no longer accuse us before the throne of God, so he has to come to us direct down here and point the finger at us - that is if we listen him!

Through the casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over.

Amil have a victorious and all-conquering Christ. Premil portrays the opposite. They are fixated with the person and works of Satan and antichrist. This is seen in their constant rebukes of Amils for exalting Christ and their constant lauding of the achievements of Satan.

DavidPT · Nov 29, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
Why are Premils always so keen to elevate the power and influence of Satan and denigrate and denounce the power and influence of Christ? This is another reason why all Bible-believing Christians should question Premil.

Please read it. Satan is limited and restrained in Revelation 12 to what he can do. He is overcome by the Church. God's people are protected.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

What resulted?

This passage demonstrates that the devil is a loser. In fact, it portrays him as a five-time loser. He had five unsuccessful assaults upon Christ, His angels and His people. This is the story of history.

Attack 1

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Attack 2

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The angels of heaven fought with Satan and his angels after Christ conquered sin, death, and hell. They marvelously defeated him and evicted him from heaven; Satan proved himself once again to be a loser.

Attack 3

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Attack 4

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth

Attack 5

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

We know Satan is overcome because Christ overcame him. He can no longer accuse us before the throne of God, so he has to come to us direct down here and point the finger at us - that is if we listen him!

Through the casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over.

Amil have a victorious and all-conquering Christ. Premil portrays the opposite. They are fixated with the person and works of Satan and antichrist. This is seen in their constant rebukes of Amils for exalting Christ and their constant lauding of the achievements of Satan.

Can you at least answer as to when you think the beginning of this is meaning---and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ?

If you think the beginning of that parallels any of the thousand years, rather than all of it paralleling satan's little season after the thousand years, not that I agree with either conclusion, that alone makes your position that less convincing. At least there would be some logic to it if the beginning of that is meaning satan's little season after the thousand years. There is no logic to it if any of that parallels any of the thousand years.

In Revelation 12:17 for war and in Revelation 20:8 for battle the same Greek word is used--polemos.

sovereigngrace · Nov 29, 2021

DavidPT said:
Can you at least answer as to when you think the beginning of this is meaning---and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ?

If you think the beginning of that parallels any of the thousand years, rather than all of it paralleling satan's little season after the thousand years, not that I agree with either conclusion, that alone makes your position that less convincing. At least there would be some logic to it if the beginning of that is meaning satan's little season after the thousand years. There is no logic to it if any of that parallels any of the thousand years.

In Revelation 12:17 for war and in Revelation 20:8 for battle the same Greek word is used--polemos.

Please do not lecture Amils about logic. There is nothing about Premil that adds up. The banishment of Satan is linked to the resurrection/ascension. I would appreciate it if you would read my posts before responding.

claninja · Nov 29, 2021

DavidPT said:
Yet, Revelation 20:4 and verse 6 indicate that everyone that has part in the first resurrection, they live and reign with Christ a thousand years. In verse 4 that is being applied to the martyred saints not saints who are still physically alive and haven't even died yet. Therefore, a bodily resurrection of the martyrs recorded in verse 4 makes far better sense. Otherwise we have to assume they are reigning in heaven a thousand years. These martyrs have to be reigning somehere a thousand years with Christ. There is no getting around that since that is what the text indicates. We then have to ask ourselves, which makes better sense in regards to these martyrs recorded in verse 4? They reign in heaven as souls without bodies, being priests to God and Christ while in that state? Or they reign on earth in bodies, being priests to God and Christ while in that state?

the greek structure (nouns and verbs) of vs 4 allows for 3 groups:

1.) those who sat upon thrones
2.) the souls of those who were beheaded.
3.) those who did not worship the beast

these, possibly up to 3 groups, are those that live and reign with the Christ for 1,000 years.

The location of these saints is not given in revelation 20.

But Other scriptures seem to indicate heaven is the location of the resurrected saints:

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

2 Corinthians 5:1 1Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is dismantled, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Hebrews 11:13-16 These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. 15If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one.

While, we are presently a royal priesthood to God according to 1 Peter 2:9, agreed, there is no mention of souls going to reign prior to the resurrection in scripture.

claninja · Nov 29, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
I have showed you different examples over the years of your misunderstandings.

Ah, another classic blanket statement, with no evidence to back it up…..

sovereigngrace said:
Why will you not answer a simple question that most Christians are happy to address?

And why can’t you answer a simple request that actually relates to the OP, instead of a deflecting?

Just as you demand premils to provide other scriptures, outside revelation 20, to support a literal 1,000 year reign, why can’t you provide other scripture, outside revelation 20, to support souls going to heaven to reign prior to the resurrection?

you usually jump at the bit to provide paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph of scriptural support…..

Premillennialism ignores the tenses in the original Greek in order to sustain its teaching

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