Frustrated drivers at gas stations stick it to Biden with ‘I did that!’ decals

IWalkAlone · Nov 29, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
You did indirectly. You made the statement that there are Biden bumper stickers as some kind of evidence that stickers are not for children. You are making the claim that since there are Biden bumper stickers it is proof that stickers are not for children. But yoru assertion doesn't prove what you waned to prove. All those bumper stickers were put on by children. What makes you think it wasn't children who put those stickers on the cars?

No I didn't. Quote me

IWalkAlone · Nov 29, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Your entire post loses all its credibility from the first sentence. You lambaste AOC because of her hypocrisy but not her views? How do you do that? How can she be a hypocrite if not for her views? They go hand in hand.

And you demonstrate yet again that you don't understand her views. She isn't a hypocrite for being capitalistic when her views are not anti-capitalistic. But you think she's anti-capitalism because you are so far right you just believe the same as the rest of the reactionaries.

As a Christian, the belief I have is that man cannot serve two masters - I (we) cannot serve two masters, I will cling to one hate the other. We cannot serve God and mammon (money, i.e. capitalism). However, we live in a world where capitalism is part of our reality. The best we can do is leverage it while tempering it with social justice. That is my view as a Christian. I don't know what AOC's reasoning is but many non-Christians share this view. It is not anti-capitalism, it is an honest look and acceptance of capitalism in a certain context and recognizing the currently capitalism is out of control.

None of this will register with you though, as you've demonstrated time and again, including in the very post I'm responding to, where you bleat out the same old hackneyed stereotypes based on nothing more than reactionary radical right-wing lore about "the LEFT (oooooohhhh!!!!)".

AOC is anti capitalist.

Ocasio-Cortez: 'Capitalism is irredeemable'

ArmenianJohn · Nov 29, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
No I didn't. Quote me

Yes, you did - I quoted you when I replied to it. This is your game - you just repeat yourself and double down rather than provide any valid argument or proof.

ArmenianJohn · Nov 29, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
AOC is anti capitalist.

Ocasio-Cortez: 'Capitalism is irredeemable'

I responded to this already - here you are just repeating it because it appears to be your M.O. Good luck with that, LOL

IWalkAlone · Nov 29, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Yes, you did - I quoted you when I replied to it. This is your game - you just repeat yourself and double down rather than provide any valid argument or proof.

I asked if that included bumper stickers. That's all

IWalkAlone · Nov 29, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
I responded to this already - here you are just repeating it because it appears to be your M.O. Good luck with that, LOL

I missed it. Can you post a link?

Akita Suggagaki · Nov 29, 2021

"The reasons for the price spike are textbook supply and demand from an economics textbook: Americans have gotten back to driving more this summer as the pandemic has moderated, and a combination of domestic supply interruptions and trouble in energy markets overseas have made crude oil more expensive."

3 reasons why gas prices are so high right now

ThatRobGuy · Nov 29, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Your entire post loses all its credibility from the first sentence. You lambaste AOC because of her hypocrisy but not her views? How do you do that? How can she be a hypocrite if not for her views? They go hand in hand.

well, simple...hypocrisy is going against something you claim to stand for, a person's views are just that, their views.

For instance:
I can have an honest conversation with a person who claims to be a vegan, and lives the vegan lifestyle. I can't have that same honest conversation with a person who claims to be a vegan, and hosts a rib cookoff in the name of promoting vegan causes.

That's the difference between AOC and Bernie.

I disagree with Bernie on many a thing, but I never get the impression that he's phony or lying to me. I would gladly sit down with Bernie for an intellectual and spirited debate of the issues. AOC on the other hand...blasts 'the rich' while attending a $30k per ticket Met gala in a custom made "tax the rich" dress.

ArmenianJohn said:
And you demonstrate yet again that you don't understand her views. She isn't a hypocrite for being capitalistic when her views are not anti-capitalistic. But you think she's anti-capitalism because you are so far right you just believe the same as the rest of the reactionaries.

Again, her espoused views are anti-capitalistic. You can't call capitalism "irredeemable" and "sacrificing humans and the environment in the name of profit" without considering it a "bad thing".

Gotta pick one...can't have it both ways here... if her own words don't define her position on it, then she is, as I said, a hypocrite.

If someone calls something "irredeemable", then there's no other logical conclusion than they're "anti" that thing.

ArmenianJohn said:
None of this will register with you though, as you've demonstrated time and again, including in the very post I'm responding to, where you bleat out the same old hackneyed stereotypes based on nothing more than reactionary radical right-wing lore about "the LEFT (oooooohhhh!!!!)".

I did none of that, you simply couldn't come up with a productive rebuttal to what I said, so you resorted to blatant strawman arguments.

IWalkAlone · Nov 29, 2021

ThatRobGuy said:
Again, her espoused views are anti-capitalistic. You can't call capitalism "irredeemable" and "sacrificing humans and the environment in the name of profit" without considering it a "bad thing".

otta pick one...can't have it both ways here... if her own words don't define her position on it, then she is, as I said, a hypocrite.

If someone calls something "irredeemable", then there's no other logical conclusion than they're "anti" that thing.

I did none of that, you simply couldn't come up with a productive rebuttal to what I said, so you resorted to blatant strawman arguments.

She badmouths capitalism while profiting from it. If it's not hypocrisy what is it?

ThatRobGuy · Nov 29, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
She badmouths capitalism while profiting from it. If it's not hypocrisy what is it?

The response from the other person to my post that you saw is the exactly the mentality that drove voters into the welcoming arms of the GOP.

I'm not swayed by "mean words on the internet" and don't let it influence how I vote, but most people can certainly see how someone being accused of being "far, far radical right" (simply for the cardinal sin of criticizing AOC) could make some people bitter.

It's a symptom of the tribalism in our system.

And certainly explains the gubernatorial election outcomes in places like Virginia.

The idea that if you don't agree "lock stock and barrel" with everything that the one of the furthest left members of congress likes, you're by default, far far radical right" is going to be a turn off to a lot of people.

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2021

bekkilyn said:
If these stickers really catch on around here, they would have their work cut out for them considering the number of Trump/Pence signs I'm still seeing in people's yards.

You might be surprised. Even in deeply rate counties, 10-20 percent of people vote for the democratic party. Things aren't so neatly divided as a simple election map suggests.

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2021

ThatRobGuy said:
Unless Biden is driving his car to that same gas station that they frequent (and let's be honest, he's the president, he's got people for that), and given that the kind of people who would go out of their way to do that type of thing already live in areas where it's already a majority of people who are of their same mindset.

I think the sticker-message isn't going to find it's intended recipient.

But I will say, nothing says "I'm full of it, and a right wing troll" quite like claiming that paying an extra $12 to fill your tank is "putting you in the poor house" and "destroying the economy", while simultaneously showing the world that you have enough excess income to go shopping for silly stickers on the internet to vandalize gas stations with.

It's not "an extra 12 dollars".

It's another 12 dollars, on top of rising prices for food, for electricity, for heating, for any commodity that is scarce right now. Almost everything you buy in stores has to be carried by truck, so an increase in gas prices also increases logistic costs, which increase the price in the store. And of course, the clerk also has to fill his tank to go to work.

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
Yes I know what she believes. She's right, capitalism is not redeemable. She believes that for different reasons than I do but as a Christian I know it's not redeemable - it's based in mammon. What needs to be done with capitalism is that it needs to be tempered by social policy.

I wish she were more anti-capitalism. She's not. She's not for getting rid of private ownership. She just talks big to appeal to a certain part of her base. She can't go full socialist because even her base is not like that. She brands herself as a social democrat and that's not an anti-capitalist political vein.

When you are a radicalized right-winger you see everyone to your left as communist, that's the problem that the conservatives have when it comes to understanding AOC and others like her.

Seems to me like you are the person who sees everyone slightly to the right of you as "far far radical right wing".

cow451 · Nov 30, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I just wish AOC knew how to say the word "woman".

She doesn’t need to.

HARK! · Nov 30, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
By the time prices change democrats will have all the stickers peeled off.

Trump might be back in office by then. We'll have to wait and see if they tape the pieces back on.

NxNW · Nov 30, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
So I can go paint public property if its for civil rights?

By public property, you mean asphalt?

And what civil rights are we fighting for?

The right to not be murdered by the police.

We passed civil rights decades ago

But the GOP and the Supreme Court are taking them away.

NxNW · Nov 30, 2021

Nithavela said:
Art on property you don't own without the consent of the owner is vandalism.

The difference between slapping a sticker on something, painting a mural on it and burning it down is a matter of degrees.

Yes, a mural is art. A sticker is vandalism, and burning things down is something Republicans do at a BLM protest.

NxNW · Nov 30, 2021

IWalkAlone said:
Your claim that Democrats don't complain about prices or buy stickers is much more unlikely and unbelievable than mine

Democrats complain about medical debt bankrupting people, which Republicans are just fine with. Republicans complain about paying an extra $1.50 for a tank of gas, which isn't a big deal. It's hypocritical for Republicans to buy stickers to put on the gas pumps, because it proves that extra $1.50 isn't a big deal at all. They're just pretending to complain when they've got plenty of money in the trust fund their parents gave them.

cow451 · Nov 30, 2021

Gas in my area is about $.03 per gallon cheaper this week. Put that on your sticker.

Brihaha · Nov 30, 2021

ThatRobGuy said:
The response from the other person to my post that you saw is the exactly the mentality that drove voters into the welcoming arms of the GOP.

I'm not swayed by "mean words on the internet" and don't let it influence how I vote, but most people can certainly see how someone being accused of being "far, far radical right" (simply for the cardinal sin of criticizing AOC) could make some people bitter.

It's a symptom of the tribalism in our system.

And certainly explains the gubernatorial election outcomes in places like Virginia.

The idea that if you don't agree "lock stock and barrel" with everything that the one of the furthest left members of congress likes, you're by default, far far radical right" is going to be a turn off to a lot of people.

There is a simple explanation why Youngkin beat McAuliffe for governor of Virginia. We had a term with Terry as governor and preferred someone else. Same deal as the trump defeat. Often the simplest explanation is correct. Virginia is considered a purple state because we rotate our leadership so one party cannot exploit us continuously. It seems to work for all us citizens. I'm not discounting the chance your claims aren't true and contributed to Youngkin being elected. I almost didn't vote myself because McAuliffe hasn't earned my vote again. That is the benefit to being an independent voter. I am free to choose a candidate based on qualifications and competence rather than the counterproductive practice of voting for letters.

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