Romans 8 agrees with James 2

Carl Emerson said:

I dont think that is correct...

OSAS does not mean sinless perfection.

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When OSAS preachers tell their congregations they no longer have need to repent of sin after having believed on Jesus, that is NOT what God's Word teaches, and is pretty much blasphemy against God's Holy Writ.

Carl Emerson said:

I don't think this is classical OSAS teaching at all but a modern deviation.

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No such thing as "classical OSAS teaching". The early Church fathers never... taught that Christians have no further need of repentance to The Father and His Son.

fli said:

Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. NIV

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Both 8:1 and 8: 4 are correct. Verse 8:1 states the same as John 3:18. Verse 2 the law of Spirit of life is: “if one has the Spirit of Jesus they have eternal life.” Paul ended chapter 7 by saying that in his mind he served the law. If a Christian agrees with God that the law is good and attempts to obey that law then the “law of sin and death” is fulfilled in them. In Chapter 8 we will see just what happens to a Christian that does not serve the law with his mind.

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Doesn't he say in v.2 that we are 'free from the law of sin and death?"
How can that (controlling power of the law of sin and death) from which I have been set free
(by the controlling power of the Spirit of life) also be fulfilled in me?

The "law of sin and death" (Romans 8:2) is not the same thing as the "righteous requirements of the law" (Romans 8:4).
The "law of sin and death" refers to the controlling power of sin in the unsaved, which produces death. The "righteous requirements of the law" refers to the law as an ethical guide for the saved.

The believer is freed from the law's power of sin, and freed to the law as an ethical guide by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. NKJV

You are correct if you say that Paul is describing an ungodly person.

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Actually, Paul is describing an unregenerate (not born again) person, an enemy of God (Romans 5:10), unable to obey the law because he has not been born again, he is of the flesh (of sinful Adam), not of the Spirit (of Holy God).
In Paul's writings, the flesh refers to the unregenerate, while the Spirit/spiritual refers to the regenerate (born again).

Romans 4:5 Paul stated that God justifies the ungodly. Paul is describing Christians that do not serve the law of S&D with their mind.

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Actually Paul is talking about the unregenerate, who become saved (from the wrath--Romans 5:9 of God's condemnation--Romans 5:18) and justified; i.e., declared righteous through faith apart from works. (Romans 3:21, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:5).

They have their heart set on carnal things. If you do not believe that Paul can be describing Christians read 1Corinthians. In chapter 5 of that epistle the young man engaged with immoral sex with his step mother was saved. If he was not Paul would not have said to turn him over to Satan. People who are unsaved cannot be turned over to Satan as they are already in his kingdom. In addition in chapter 11 Paul describes some Corinthians who were getting drunk and eating all the bread at the Lord's supper. They to were saved because Paul states they were being disciplined by God and some had “went to sleep” which is Paul's way of stating that Christians had died and are with the Lord.

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In verse 6 Paul stated to be carnal minded is death. This is true.

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To be carnal minded is death, because the carnal minded are not born again and are under the power of sin.
They are of the unregenerate sinful human nature, and not the regenerate (born again) of the Spirit .

Christians in 1Corinthians “went to sleep” under God's discipline. They died temporally -not eternal death.

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They did not die because of carnal-mindedness (no new birth), they died as God's disciplinary judgment of his own redeemed children.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin,

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10B but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. NKJV
Verse 10 every Christian has the Spirit of Christ or they are not saved. With the Spirit of Christ the body is dead because all Christians, even those who serve the law of S&D with their mind, still sin daily.

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However, the redeemed do not serve the law of sin and death, they are free from the law of sin and death.
Only the unsaved serve the law of sin and death.

Now in verse 2 above Paul stated the “law of the Spirit of life” has set us free of the law of S&D. As long as a person has the Spirit of Jesus they have eternal life even though the body might die. Verse 10B that is what Paul means by the Spirit is life because of righteousness. It's Jesus righteousness not ours.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." NKJV

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Paul could only be speaking to Christians in verse 13.

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Yes, the letter is to believers, and having addressed life according to the carnal (unregenerate) nature and life according to the (regenerate) spiritual nature, Paul returns to speaking to the believers and their life in the Spirit.

the life The Spirit does not work in unbelievers. By works of the law no flesh will be justified so they would need to accept Jesus and put to death the sins of the flesh. He could only be referring to believers. Therefore, Paul is speaking of temporal death. Verse 14 if a person is being led by the Spirit they are sons of God. These are the sons who will hear “well done good and faithful servant.” Those sons who die under discipline are sons that God is not so proud of.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe — and tremble!

Paul as he was walking down the Damascus road to kill Christians believed in one God. He believed that he was doing that one God's work. We believe that the one God sent His Son to save the world. We put our trust in Jesus. Yes! The demons believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the savior of the world. They rubbed elbows with Jesus before He kicked them out of heaven for disobedience. Hebrews 2: 16 Jesus does not save the angels, good or bad.

James 2: 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. 23 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. NKJV

Genesis 15:6 Abraham was justified prior to Ishmael's birth. Romans 4: 10 Abraham was circumcised at age 99 and Ishmael was 13. Then it was many more years before he offered Isaac on the altar. So Abraham was righteous long before offering Isaac. Verse 22 Abraham's faith was perfected by his act. Verse 23 Abraham's faith was fulfilled the same as in Roman's 8: 4 where the requirements of the law are fully met (fulfilled) in those who believe in Jesus and walk in the Spirit. So Abraham was righteous prior to offering Isaac.

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Because he listened to God, walked in the Spirit, he fully met the law of sin and death.

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1) The law of sin and death is the principle/power of sin which produces death.
2) Abraham's obedience had nothing. . .zero. . .zippo. . .nada. . .to do with God crediting/imputing righteousness to him, it was only because of faith and faith alone (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:1-3), as it is with all the saved (Romans 4:5), God justifies the ungodly/wicked by faith alone.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. NKJV

Paul explained the process in Romans 8: 9-13 without the Spirit of the Father a Christian dies. When a Christian dies they go to be with the Lord. Faith has done it's work. We see what we hope for. Faith is dead.

James and Paul are in agreement.

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A believer that has no works is walking according to the flesh.

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Not quite. . .no works means no true faith, only a counterfeit faith.

The professing Christian who has no works of faith does not have genuine faith and is not saved.

God will discipline the person. If they do not repent discipline will result in death and faith is dead. In James 2: 14 he asks if faith without works can save a person. The answer is yes.

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That would be faith apart from works justifies.
Clarification is needed here between salvation and justification in regard to faith.

Salvation is past (rebirth), present (sanctification) and future (glory).
That salvation is by grace through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9), but has works of obedience to sanctification.
If your faith is not producing works, it is not genuine faith, it is counterfeit faith and does not save.
It is the counterfeit faith of Matthew 7:21-23, "Lord, Lord," which does not save.

Justification, on the other hand, is a one-time declaration of righteousness by the imputed/credited righteousness of Jesus Christ through faith, apart from works (Romans 5:18-19), as Abraham's righteousness from God (Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21-22) was credited/imputed to him apart from works (Romans 4:1-3, Romans 4:5).

What justifies is faith apart from its works. . .not faith without works.
It is the faith only that justifies, not faith's works.

Faith without works is counterfeit (dead).

Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, NKJV

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And his saving faith will produce works.

Davy said:

When OSAS preachers tell their congregations they no longer have need to repent of sin after having believed on Jesus, that is NOT what God's Word teaches, and is pretty much blasphemy against God's Holy Writ.

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I totally agree, I don't think however that Calvin would approve of such teaching.

Davy said:

No such thing as "classical OSAS teaching". The early Church fathers never... taught that Christians have no further need of repentance to The Father and His Son.

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I totally agree, and my point is that Calvin didn't teach that - it is a modern aberration.

Maria Billingsley said:

Absolutely! We can fall away temporarily and come back however the unforgivable sin is to deny the Holy Spirit until death. I'm hoping my niece has only a temporary condition.

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If an unbeliever deny Satan until death, does he still remain an unbeliever?

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If an unbeliever deny Satan until death, does he still remain an unbeliever?

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Satan? An unbeliever of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is an anti-Christ thus in the clasp of Satan even though they deny such an entity.

fli said:

Those are servants of Jesus and definitely saved. Being saved they are free of the law of sin and death.

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I'd consider what happened to the wicked and lazy servant in the Parable of the Talents. Christianity is not a religion that excuses or allows the sin that rightfully earns man death, but is the cure for that sin that condemns him. Yes, God knows that we will comtinue to sin, but there are sins, some identified in Scripture, that are so opposed to love of God and neighbor by their nature that, if persisted in, will lead us to death. The statement, "God justifies the ungodly" means that God, alone, can make man right, the being he was created to be. And man wasn't created to sin.

Clare73 said:

Doesn't he say in v.2 that we are 'free from the law of sin and death?"
How can that (controlling power of the law of sin and death) from which I have been set free (by the controlling power of the Spirit of life) also be fulfilled in me?

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We're set free from the slavery of sin unto the righteousness that fulfills the law by its nature, without regard to the law. This righteousness comes by union with God, established by faith-it's the real thing, accomplishing what the law could not: fulfilling its own righteous requirements. This is the life of grace, by the Spirit who pours love into our hearts, a life defined by faith in, hope in, and love of God-with fruit that follows.

You maintain that sanctificaction (holiness) is guaranteed for a believer, but unnecessary for salvation. The church has always maintained that sanctification is a processs that begins with justification and that's worked out with man throughout a life now in union with God, as long as he remains in Him, but that this sanctification is not guaranteed, while necessary for salvation.
"But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life." Rom 6:22

You also maintain that the regenerated will still sin, but that no sin is ever counted against him, no matter how grave or heinous or outright opposed to love? Or is there a line drawn on that matter? If so, by what criteria? The church teaches that persistence in grave sin constitutes not remaining in Him.

Romans 8:1- starts off with the fact that there’s no condemnation for those IN Christ Jesus.


But Verse 4 makes clear that having no condemnation and being IN Christ, is conditional on NOT walking after the flesh, but after the spirit.


The fact that having no condemnation in verse 1 is dependent on not walking after the flesh, but after the spirit in verse 4, is so evident that the KJV translators added verse 4 to the end of verse 1, to make the passage more understandable:


Rom 8:1- There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


That’s a conditional statement, as having no condemnation is dependent on not walking after the flesh - meaning carnal and sinful works of the flesh - but walking in the spirit, meaning living spiritually and not worldly.


Romans 8- then goes on to explain the consequences of death if we let our flesh win the conflict between our Spirit and flesh:


Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Rom 8:5 - For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 - For to be carnally minded is DEATH, but to be spiritually minded is LIFE and peace.


Rom 8:7 - Because the carnal mind is ENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 - So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


In Galatians 5, Paul lists the works of the flesh, which DEFINES what is meant in Romans 8- about walking after the flesh, instead of after the spirit, and warns that committing those sins of the flesh will keep believers out of heaven:


Gal 5:16 - This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 - For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 - But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 - Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 - Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 - Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told you in time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.

(Will not make it into heaven).


Romans 8- is therefore clear that having no condemnation is conditional on living righteously as a believer and walking spiritually and not sinfully, after the flesh, and that if we choose to walk after the flesh instead of after the spirit we will die SPIRITUALLY and will not enter the kingdom of heaven.


Romans 8- explains the consequences of death if we let the flesh win the conflict between our Spirit and flesh:


Rom 8:5 - For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 - For to be carnally minded is DEATH, but to be spiritually minded is LIFE and peace.


Rom 8:7 - Because the carnal mind is ENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 - So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Romans 8:6, above, is talking about spiritual death - not physical death - as proven by the Galatians 5 text just given, and confirmed by the story of the prodigal son, who died spiritually while he was out in the world sinning:


In the prodigal son story, the father represents God, the son represents believers.


He’s already a son when the story starts.


He leaves the father to live in sin


When he returns to the father in repentance, the father says: this is my son WHO WAS DEAD, but is now alive AGAIN, he WAS LOST, but now IS FOUND.


Luke 15:32- It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother *was dead*, and is *alive again*; and *was lost*, and *is found*.


He obviously wasn’t dead physically and then resurrected.


How then was he dead?


He was dead in his sins:


Ephesians 2:1 - And you hath he quickened,who WERE DEAD in *trespasses and sins*


Thus the son was alive, left his Father to live a sinful life, became DEAD in his sins, then returned in repentance, and became alive AGAIN.


Therefore Romans 8- instead of proving unconditional eternal security, has a warning to the brethren not to live carnally, after the flesh, or they will die spiritually, as the prodigal Son did.


And Verse 8:7 of Romans warns us that believers having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.


So does James:


James 4:4- Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God? whosoever therefore will be a FRIEND OF THE WORLD is the ENEMY of God.


The verse above says sexual sins and being worldly, makes you Gods ENEMY.


Will God let those who as believers have become His enemy into heaven?


No.

chad kincham said:

Therefore Romans 8- instead of proving unconditional eternal security, has a warning to the brethren not to live carnally, after the flesh, or they will die spiritually, as the prodigal Son did.

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Please give scriptural support for the claim that the prodigal son was spiritually dead.

I contend that he was never not a son (status)

But was totally lost (condition)

Carl Emerson said:

Please give scriptural support for the claim that the prodigal son was spiritually dead.

I contend that he was never not a son (status)

But was totally lost (condition)

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In my understanding the condition of being lost, sick, asleep, dead is the condition or state of all fallen men.

fli said:

I will break this down in small steps. There is no sense going completely through if you disagree with the first.

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. NIV

There is no condemnation for those who believe in Jesus. Therefore the NIV is the correct statement.

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But "belief" has criteria; i.e., obedience.
If you're not obeying, you're not really believing, you're just signing up for fire insurance, and that doesn't save.

Rom 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. NIV

Everyone who believes in Jesus is set free from the law of sin and death.
Even the ungodly that God justifies are free.

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I think you may be misunderstanding "God who justifies the ungodly" (Romans 4:5).

They are ungodly before God justifies them, after justification--where the righteousness of Jesus Christ is imputed/credited to them (Romans 5:18-19) because of faith, as God's righteousness (Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21-22) was credited/imputed to Abraham because of faith (Romans 4:3; Genesis 15:6)--the justified are not ungodly, they are righteous in the eyes of God.

If you do not believe that God justifies the ungodly:

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Yes, God justifies the ungodly/wicked, but they are no longer the ungodly/wicked after justification by faith, they are righteous with the imputed/credited righteousness of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:18-19).

Rev 2:20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. NKJV

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Is Jezebel, and followers, saved or not? We know that her followers are saved because Jesus calls them “my servants.” Jezebel is saved but we will just stick to those who commit sexual immorality with her and etc. Those are servants of Jesus and definitely saved. Being saved they are free of the law of sin and death.

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However, that's not what "free of the law of sin and death" means.

"The law of the Spirit of life setting one free from the law of sin and death" means the power of the Holy Spirit, who gives eternal life, has set one free from the power of sin, which leads to physical death.
It's about power to be holy instead of sinful, it's not about avoiding physical death.

Because they are acting ungodly Jesus says He will cast them into great tribulation and sickness unless they repent. Because they are not walking in the Spirit they will die of their sins unless they repent. Therefore. the law of sin and death is not fulfilled in them. They will die physically but because they are Jesus' servants (saved) they are free of the law of sin and death.

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So you're saying the law of sin and death does not apply to them, the law being "he who sins shall die."

However, "the law of sin and death" is about physical death, and it does apply to them, it applies to all, the saved and the unsaved.
For the "law of sin and death" is "the wages of sin is (physical, Romans 1:32) death," (Romans 6:23), which is why Adam died physically, which he would not have, had he not sinned.

What does not seem to be "fulfilled" in them, and of which they seem to be "free," is the power of the Holy Spirit setting them free from the power of sin, which is what "free from the law of sin and death" really means.

So. . ."free from the law of sin (principle/fact of the controlling power of sin) and death (which produces physical death--Romans 6:23). . .means the "law of sin and death" is about the necessary consequences of sin's power, and being free from that power, not free from death.

They do not die eternally, go to Hades, they will go to heaven. God is dealing with them as children and disciplining them.

Because the rest of the church who are walking in the Spirit the law of sin and death is fulfilled in them. We know that they sin but because they are observing the law as best they can God allows them to continue to live physically. He is fulfilling what they lack to be completely sinless. They do not observe the law to be justified. They observe the law to walk in the Spirit. By doing so they bring Jesus glory and honor. They are also building treasure in heaven.

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fhansen said:

In my understanding the condition of being lost, sick, asleep, dead is the condition or state of all fallen men.

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Yet, Jesus speaks of finding a lost sheep who was part of the flock...

fhansen said:

We're set free from the slavery of sin unto the righteousness that fulfills the law by its nature, without regard to the law. This righteousness comes by union with God, established by faith-it's the real thing, accomplishing what the law could not: fulfilling its own righteous requirements.

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According to the word of God, this righteousness is Christ's righteousness imputed (Romans 5:18-19) by faith to us in justification, as was Abraham's righteousness from God (Romans 4:3; Genesis 15:6), that God may fellowship with us without defiling his pure and holy presence. . .followed by a life of obedience in the Holy Spirit which leads to righteousness (Romans 6:16) leading to holiness (Romans 6:19).

This is the life of grace, by the Spirit who pours love into our hearts, a life defined by faith in, hope in, and love of God-with fruit that follows.
You maintain that sanctification (holiness) is guaranteed for a believer, but unnecessary for salvation.

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It is the word of God in Ephesians 2:8-9 that states "salvation is by grace through faith. . .not by works."
And faith means genuine faith, which obeys (i.e., sanctification), so if you're not obeying, your faith is not genuine, it is counterfeit, and it did not save you.
It is the faith, apart from faith's works, that saves, it is not the works.

The church has always maintained that sanctification is a processs that begins with justification and that's worked out with man throughout a life now in union with God, as long as he remains in Him, but that this sanctification is not guaranteed, while necessary for salvation.
"But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life." Rom 6:22

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You also maintain that the regenerated will still sin, but that no sin is ever counted against him, no matter how grave or heinous or outright opposed to love?

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You've got me confused with someone else here.

Or is there a line drawn on that matter? If so, by what criteria? The church teaches that persistence in grave sin constitutes not remaining in Him.

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Repented sin, no matter how grave, is forgiven.

Carl Emerson said:

Please give scriptural support for the claim that the prodigal son was spiritually dead.

I contend that he was never not a son (status)

But was totally lost (condition)

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Just re read what I wrote: the father said that while he was out in the world living in sin, HE WAS DEAD, but became ALIVE AGAIN.

There’s only two kinds of death: spiritual and physical.

The son obviously didn’t physically die and get resurrected, thus it’s equally obvious that he died spiritually, in his sins, which means he was unsaved until he returned in repentance.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the (prodigal) sons of disobedience—

The father agrees that the son was lost while out in the world:

Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.

Sons can be disinherited and fail to inherit anything at all, as in the Bible making clear we INHERIT everlasting life, and can become reprobate and fail to inherit the kingdom of God/heaven.

I see no indication that the Father disinherited the prodigal son.

If he was disinherited, we wouldn't see him welcomed from afar with open arms.

His words were...

24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.

His sonship was never in question.

Maria Billingsley said:

Satan? An unbeliever of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is an anti-Christ thus in the clasp of Satan even though they deny such an entity.

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Thus, my point is that you don't have to worry about the salvation of your niece. She might lose rewards though.

If denying Satan alone is not enough to free an unbeliever from Satan's clasp, denying the Holy Spirit alone cannot be enough to free a Christian from the gift of righteousness that she received in the past.

Otherwise, Adam's disobedience, that gave us death, was more powerful than Christ's obedience, that gave us righteousness (Romans 5:12-17).

Guojing said:

Thus, my point is that you don't have to worry about the salvation of your niece. She might lose rewards though.

If denying Satan alone is not enough to free an unbeliever from Satan's clasp, denying the Holy Spirit alone cannot be enough to free a Christian from the gift of righteousness that she received in the past.

Otherwise, Adam's disobedience, that gave us death, was more powerful than Christ's obedience, that gave us righteousness (Romans 5:12-17).

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Why are you so focused on Satan ? Why not say
" I love Jesus Christ of Nazareth "?