Soul Sleep yes or no?

Is there such a thing as "soul sleep"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • No

    Votes: 15 68.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 13.6%

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I believe when we die we are ushered into the presence of God. Here is my reasoning as to why there is no "soul sleep" upon death.

Absent the body, present with the Lord. (Apostle Paul) 2 Corinthians 5:8

It is appointed for men to die, then comes the judgment. Hebrews 9:27


Today you will be with me in paradise. (Jesus to the thief on the cross)

The beheaded saints under the altar of God pleading with Him to avenge them. They are not in soul sleep. (Revelation 6:10)

The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They were conscious after death. Perhaps this parable should not be taken literally, mind, I'm just throwing it out there.

What do you think? Please use scripture to justify your position. God bless!
 

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I believe when we die we are ushered into the presence of God. Here is my reasoning as to why there is no "soul sleep" upon death.

Absent the body, present with the Lord. (Apostle Paul) 2 Corinthians 5:8

It is appointed for men to die, then comes the judgment. Hebrews 9:27


Today you will be with me in paradise. (Jesus to the thief on the cross)

The beheaded saints under the altar of God pleading with Him to avenge them. They are not in soul sleep. (Revelation 6:10)

The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They were conscious after death. Perhaps this parable should not be taken literally, mind, I'm just throwing it out there.

What do you think? Please use scripture to justify your position. God bless!

I think you nailed it with those scriptures. God Bless You :)
 
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I believe when we die we are ushered into the presence of God. Here is my reasoning as to why there is no "soul sleep" upon death.

Absent the body, present with the Lord. (Apostle Paul) 2 Corinthians 5:8

It is appointed for men to die, then comes the judgment. Hebrews 9:27


Today you will be with me in paradise. (Jesus to the thief on the cross)

The beheaded saints under the altar of God pleading with Him to avenge them. They are not in soul sleep. (Revelation 6:10)

The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They were conscious after death. Perhaps this parable should not be taken literally, mind, I'm just throwing it out there.

What do you think? Please use scripture to justify your position. God bless!
I agree with your position because of the same scriptures you cited (except maybe for Hebrews 9:27) along with this one:

Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

It would be strange for Paul to say to die is gain if someone had to wait a long time to gain something after their death, right? He's clearly implying there that we gain something immediately upon death.

Then he points out in verse 23 that he was torn between departing his body or being with Christ. Again, a clear implication that departing from his body (dying) would result immediately in something being gained, which would be him getting to be with Christ. And it would have to be his soul that would be with Christ since he's talking about departing his body.
 
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I believe when we die we are ushered into the presence of God. Here is my reasoning as to why there is no "soul sleep" upon death.

Absent the body, present with the Lord. (Apostle Paul) 2 Corinthians 5:8

It is appointed for men to die, then comes the judgment. Hebrews 9:27


Today you will be with me in paradise. (Jesus to the thief on the cross)

The beheaded saints under the altar of God pleading with Him to avenge them. They are not in soul sleep. (Revelation 6:10)

The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They were conscious after death. Perhaps this parable should not be taken literally, mind, I'm just throwing it out there.

What do you think? Please use scripture to justify your position. God bless!
 
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A soul is a person .... nothing outside of that ... nothing about us is immortal ... until Jesus returns and we are changed.

ONE INDIVISIBLE WHOLE. "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being" (Gen. 2:7, NKJV).

Scripture gives us a simple equation for understanding the nature of humans:
Body (dust of the ground; the earth's elements) plus
Breath of life ("spirit" of life from God) equals
A living person (a soul).

Nowhere does the Bible speak of the soul as an immortal entity capable of living apart from our body. Neither does it speak of the spirit as an entity which can exist independent of our physical nature. We are not made of independent parts temporarily connected, but of body, soul, and spirit in one indivisible whole.

"immortal soul" idea is borrowed from
pagan philosophy


State of the Dead


Psalm 90:3-6

You turn man back into dust And say, "Return, O children of men." For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew.

Job 7:21

"Why then do You not pardon my transgression And take away my iniquity? For now I will lie down in the dust; And You will seek me, but I will not be."

Job 14:10-12

"But man dies and lies prostrate Man expires, and where is he? "As water evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, So man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens are no longer, He will not awake nor be aroused out of his sleep.

Psalm 13:3

Consider and answer me, O LORD my God; Enlighten my eyes, or I will sleep the sleep of death,

Daniel 12:2

"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 9:24

He said, "Leave; for the girl has not died, but is asleep." And they began laughing at Him.

Mark 5:39

And entering in, He said to them, "Why make a commotion and weep? The child has not died, but is asleep."

Luke 8:52-53

Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, "Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep." And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died.

1 Kings 2:10

Then David slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David.

Deuteronomy 31:16

The LORD said to Moses, "Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers; and this people will arise and play the harlot with the strange gods of the land, into the midst of which they are going, and will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them.

2 Samuel 7:12

"When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom.

1 Kings 11:43

And Solomon slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of his father David, and his son Rehoboam reigned in his place.

1 Kings 14:20

The time that Jeroboam reigned was twenty-two years; and he slept with his fathers, and Nadab his son reigned in his place.

1 Kings 16:6

And Baasha slept with his fathers and was buried in Tirzah, and Elah his son became king in his place.

1 Kings 22:50

And Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers and was buried with his fathers in the city of his father David, and Jehoram his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 14:16

So Jehoash slept with his fathers and was buried in Samaria with the kings of Israel; and Jeroboam his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 15:7

And Azariah slept with his fathers, and they buried him with his fathers in the city of David, and Jotham his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 16:20

So Ahaz slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David; and his son Hezekiah reigned in his place.

2 Kings 20:21

So Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and Manasseh his son became king in his place.

2 Kings 21:18

And Manasseh slept with his fathers and was buried in the garden of his own house, in the garden of Uzza, and Amon his son became king in his place.

Revelation 14:13

And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."


John 11:11-14

This He said, and after that He said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep." The disciples then said to Him, "Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover." Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that He was speaking of literal sleep.

Acts 7:60

Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:6

After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;

John 5:28-29

"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Job 14:13-15

"Oh that You would hide me in Sheol, That You would conceal me until Your wrath returns to You, That You would set a limit for me and remember me! "If a man dies, will he live again? All the days of my struggle I will wait Until my change comes. "You will call, and I will answer You; You will long for the work of Your hands.

Psalm 17:15

As for me, I shall behold Your face in righteousness; I will be satisfied with Your likeness when I awake.

Isaiah 26:19

Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.


1 Corinthians 15:20

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Jeremiah 51:57

"I will make her princes and her wise men drunk, Her governors, her prefects and her mighty men, That they may sleep a perpetual sleep and not wake up," Declares the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.


Psalm 7:3-5

O LORD my God, if I have done this, If there is injustice in my hands, If I have rewarded evil to my friend, Or have plundered him who without cause was my adversary, Let the enemy pursue my soul and overtake it; And let him trample my life down to the ground And lay my glory in the dust. Selah.

Psalm 76:5

The stouthearted were plundered, They sank into sleep; And none of the warriors could use his hands.

Jeremiah 51:39

"When they become heated up, I will serve them their banquet And make them drunk, that they may become jubilant And may sleep a perpetual sleep And not wake up," declares the LORD.
 
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I agree with your position because of the same scriptures you cited (except maybe for Hebrews 9:27) along with this one:

Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

It would be strange for Paul to say to die is gain if someone had to wait a long time to gain something after their death, right? He's clearly implying there that we gain something immediately upon death.

Then he points out in verse 23 that he was torn between departing his body or being with Christ. Again, a clear implication that departing from his body (dying) would result immediately in something being gained, which would be him getting to be with Christ. And it would have to be his soul that would be with Christ since he's talking about departing his body.

Philippians 1:21 does not say that as soon as Paul dies he will be with Christ right away. It says that after he dies he will be with Christ but it does not say when.

Paul states that we will be with Christ at the second coming when the dead in Christ are raised (first resurrection) and those who are left behind will be gathered together to meet the Lord in the air...

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[13], But I would not have you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14], For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15], For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16], For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
[17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18], Why comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54
[51], Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52], In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53], For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54], So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

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I believe when we die we are ushered into the presence of God. Here is my reasoning as to why there is no "soul sleep" upon death.

Absent the body, present with the Lord. (Apostle Paul) 2 Corinthians 5:8

It is appointed for men to die, then comes the judgment. Hebrews 9:27


Today you will be with me in paradise. (Jesus to the thief on the cross)

The beheaded saints under the altar of God pleading with Him to avenge them. They are not in soul sleep. (Revelation 6:10)

The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They were conscious after death. Perhaps this parable should not be taken literally, mind, I'm just throwing it out there.

What do you think? Please use scripture to justify your position. God bless!

That is the correct Biblical view.

The doctrine of 'soul sleep' is actually based on what the Old Testament Jews believed. Many of them today still treat the 'soul' as part of our material fleshy makeup. But in Matthew 10:28 Lord Jesus showed that is not true.

Furthermore, God's Word reveals that the resurrection is not... to another flesh body, nor literally our flesh body being made anew. What Apostle Paul revealed about the resurrection is that it is our "spiritual body" that is saved, not our flesh (1 Corinthians 15). In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul also taught that we have, at present, also a heavenly spirit body not made with hands (meaning not of material flesh), but eternal in the heavens. Paul also showed that heavenly body of spirit we have groans while in our flesh body, because it wants to be loosed from bondage (see also Romans 8:18-25 about that along with the whole creation seeking that release from bondage).

Thus, putting one's faith in our flesh is a huge... mistake, because that is not what Christ's Salvation nor God's Kingdom is about...

1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV


So why the usage of the 'asleep' idea for those in Christ that have passed on? I believe it's an expression used to make clear a distinction between Christ's faithful believers vs. those who go to hell when they die for not being 'born again'.

John 5:24-25
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him That sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
KJV

1 Peter 4:6
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV


The above John 5:24 verse is actually pointing to the 'asleep' saints that have died in Christ.

The 1 Peter 4:6 verse is pointing to the time when Jesus was resurrected and went and preached The Gospel to the "spirits in prison", sinners that were in Satan's heavenly prison house prior to Christ's death and resurrection per 1 Peter 3. In Isaiah 42:7 is the prophecy that Jesus would lead those who believed out of that heavenly prison house. That's what His preaching The Gospel to those dead was about. And the John 5:25 verse was about many of those saints resurrected on the day of Christ's crucifixion, and showing themselves to many in Jerusalem (Matthew 27:50-53).
 
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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[13], But I would not have you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14], For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15], For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16], For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
[17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18], Why comfort one another with these words.

Yep - that is pretty clear --

So also is what happens to "the body"

Gen 3:

19 By the sweat of your face
You shall eat bread,
Until you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return.

Eccl 12:
6 Remember your Creator before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the spring is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed; 7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, "

I've heard that the body sleeps, .

The body sleeps every night. . But at death it "returns to dust"

When you go to sleep at night you do not cease to exist nor do you turn to dust. Each night your body sleeps - but your soul is not said to "sleep" in the Bible just because you happen to take a nap.

Matt 10:28 says that the body "is killed" at death...
 
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Let's make sure we get all... of what Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 says about it...

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

We are NOT... dust only! The idea that we are flesh only is from the Jew's religion.


We have a "spirit" inside... our flesh body, and it is NOT made up of dust!


Nor is our "spirit" just some force that just animates all life ...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV


1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

KJV

Did you know brethren, that the 'crept in unawares' that teach false leaven doctrines of men are so stuck on their ignorant 'soul sleep' theory because of believing the soul is part of the material flesh body, that they say Jesus didn't preach to the spirits of dead men per Peter?

They instead try to say those "spirits" Peter mentioned there are DEMONS that Jesus preached The Gospel to! Have you ever heard such a stupid lie brethren?? That just shows how determined those crept in unawares are in wanting to deceive us away from the simplicity that is God's written Word!
 
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Philippians 1:21 does not say that as soon as Paul dies he will be with Christ right away. It says that after he dies he will be with Christ but it does not say when.

Paul states that we will be with Christ at the second coming when the dead in Christ are raised (first resurrection) and those who are left behind will be gathered together to meet the Lord in the air...

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[13], But I would not have you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14], For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15], For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16], For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
[17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18], Why comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54
[51], Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52], In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53], For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54], So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

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THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD FROM THE BIBLE THAT YOUR NOT BEING TOLD?

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You have been duped by Seventh Day Adventist false teaching. He most definitely implies that he would immediately be with the Lord upon departing his body (physically dying). You don't seem to even acknowledge that he would depart his body, but he was very clear that he expected to depart from his body. What part of him would depart his body except for his soul and spirit? You are not differentiating between one's body and their soul and spirit, but scripture does.
 
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The body sleeps until the resurrection; and yet we are in some way--though Scripture doesn't specify how exactly--kept in the presence of the Lord while absent from the body.

Soul sleep was not the teaching of Christ and His Holy Apostles, it's never been the teaching of the Christian Church. And is just as much in error as those who deny the future resurrection of the body.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I believe when we die we are ushered into the presence of God. Here is my reasoning as to why there is no "soul sleep" upon death.

Absent the body, present with the Lord. (Apostle Paul) 2 Corinthians 5:8

It is appointed for men to die, then comes the judgment. Hebrews 9:27


Today you will be with me in paradise. (Jesus to the thief on the cross)

The beheaded saints under the altar of God pleading with Him to avenge them. They are not in soul sleep. (Revelation 6:10)

The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They were conscious after death. Perhaps this parable should not be taken literally, mind, I'm just throwing it out there.

What do you think? Please use scripture to justify your position. God bless!

It is a yes and no.

By default, everyone's soul will descend to Hades after death and remain awakened. Everyone's spirit on the other hand is said to return to God after death. God would put those in Hades but under His protection to a deep sleep till the coming of the Final Judgment. This sleeping state is referred to as a 'paradise' for those under God's protection. Only the wicked remain awakened and may become captivity of the fallen angels (though in Jewish concept the wicked are more like in prison and can be punished by the guardian angels if they did wrong).

Some chosen saints such as Enoch and Elijah did not taste death and did not descend to Hades, they are (like Lazarus) brought to the Third Heaven (also called Abraham's Bosom) to continue to work for God. Moses experienced death but later he's brought to the Third Heaven. That's how he appeared with Elijah in front of Jesus. Samual was put asleep but later awakened by God when Saul sought him out through a psychic. Most likely Samual was also brought to the Third Heaven after being awakened.

There could be another 'zone' where souls remain awakened. It is a place where the souls of humans before Noah are located. Somehow the gospel reached them during the three days Jesus was in Hades. It is so because humans before Noah are not protected by any covenant. They are not savable without a covenant. Jesus brought them the New Covenant.
 
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