Which comes first repentance or forgiveness?

New Testament Christian said:

You have just contradicted yourself.

You have difficulty with logic.

First you said they cannot believe or repent:



Now you contradict yourself and say they can choose to believe:




MAKE UP YOUR MIND SIR.

I'm not the one who struggles with basic logical reasoning.

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The wicked are far from God, and hate His ways, that is their belief. They believe in God in their own way as told..


2 Timothy 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Yes God gives repentance to the ones not puffing themselves up as if they are better than God, and who are the enemies of God, as also told..

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

I guess you do not like answering any question yourself, New Testament Christian, but it is well answered anyway, the testimony is, the wicked desire not to know about Gods righteousness, they choose darkness..


John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The wicked cannot believe in Gods righteousness, due to the fact they believe in God in an unrighteous way. Why is that not logical for you. Its scripture..


Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

If I did not understand all of those scriptures, either show how I misunderstood every single one ( explain one by one and all of them) or show you just want to ignore every single one of them ( which was a lot of ignoring)

So now they do have a choice to believe?

Faithful777 said:

All the world is guilty before God, commandment is to repent, the wicked say no thanks, and ALSO, they deceive and try to approach God in a false way ( all by their own deceit and choice)

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According to calvinism they do not have the choice to believe in Jesus.

T.U.L.I.P.

T TOTAL DEPRAVITY: They are born wicked completely depraved unable to choose good.

U Unconditional election/Predestination: Man cannot choose for Himself to Believe and obey God because he is Totally wicked/ Depraved.

L Limited atonement: God only chooses a few to save. The rest He chose to burn in hell for all eternity. We cannot choose for ourselves where we end up.

I Irresistable Grace: we cannot choose Gods grace. God chooses a select few who he loves to give His grace too.
The rest God hates and has chosen for eternal death(hell)

P Perseverance of the saints: Those whom God chose to save ie the elect. Are never going to be lost. God will save them no matter what sin they commit.

Nowhere does man choose to sin or not to sin in calvinism.
All choices are made by God. Man can do NOTHING to save himself.

FAITHFUL 777 QUOTE: "all by their own deceit and CHOICE" .

Make up your mind Sir.

New Testament Christian said:

So now they do have a choice to believe?



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Why ask questions when you cant answer any, or even focus on what is said, apart from your on wishes.

New Testament Christian said:

So now they do have a choice to believe?



According to calvinism they do not have the choice to believe in Jesus.

T.U.L.I.P.

T TOTAL DEPRAVITY: They are born wicked completely depraved unable to choose good.

U Unconditional election/Predestination: Man cannot choose for Himself to Believe and obey God because he is Totally wicked/ Depraved.

L Limited atonement: God only chooses a few to save. The rest He chose to burn in hell for all eternity. We cannot choose for ourselves where we end up.

I Irresistable Grace: we cannot choose Gods grace. God chooses a select few who he loves to give His grace too.
The rest God hates and has chosen for eternal death(hell)

P Perseverance of the saints: Those whom God chose to save ie the elect. Are never going to be lost. God will save them no matter what sin they commit.

Nowhere does man choose to sin or not to sin in calvinism.
All choices are made by God. Man can do NOTHING to save himself.

FAITHFUL 777 QUOTE: "all by their own deceit and CHOICE" .

Make up your mind Sir.

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The people such as Israel even today, do choose God( but in their own way, and it is that stubbornness and pride that they prevent themselves from knowing Christ, He says here come to Him ( but He is meek)

Christ says this to all..



Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.




The puffed up ones give their own answer:



Jeremiah 6:17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,





Jesus says to all you cant get up any other way.( they do so as they are thieves and robbers in heart).



John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.





So all good and bad are there, all is equal all are called, but the prideful ones reject themselves by trying some other prideful way to enter..




Matthew 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.



Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

I am not for Calvinism, I oppose it and I oppose all. invented religions on earth.

FAITHFUL 777,
First you say man cannot choose to believe and repent.
Now you contradict yourself and say they can:

Faithful777 said:

So God has no given repentance to all men, as to all men, faith is not given, clearly ( they are wicked men, men of faith are delivered from)..

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More contradiction,

Faithful777 said:

Their own decision is to not choose God. They say for God to not show His ways to them, so they get as they request ( that is the counsel of the wicked)

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Sir, I'm sorry but I cannot take your "teachings" as evidence of what you believe to be true.

Hope you will figure your own thoughts out eventually.
Think before you speak, please

The people who do evil, are evil as anyone else, God respects not persons.

Faithful777 said:

I am not for Calvinism, I oppose it and I oppose all. invented religions on earth.

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WONDERFUL SIR! Good to hear it!

Unfortunately that means you are very confused though.

Most all of your beliefs are from reformed theology.

Bye

New Testament Christian said:

FAITHFUL 777,
First you say man cannot choose to believe and repent.
Now you contradict yourself and say they can:



More contradiction,



Sir, I'm sorry but I cannot take your "teachings" as evidence of what you believe to be true.

Hope you will figure your own thoughts out eventually.
Think before you speak, please

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Man that is naturally evil, does not change, they can see the verse and instead of believing in them, reject them, that is their own choice, but an evil choice.



Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?




As for repentance, it is for the meek.

They are in the snare ( pride of the devil) all is logical and simple..




Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

New Testament Christian said:

WONDERFUL SIR! Good to hear it!

Unfortunately that means you are very confused though.

Most all of your beliefs are from reformed theology.

Bye

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Yes it was all from scripture, and God cant lie, man cant tell the truth ( he has no Spirit of truth)

Faith is the Spirit of God, as His words are Spirit and life which we are to believe in.


Faith was given by them not opposing Gods word( men oppose by being in the snare of the devil)


That is how not all men have faith, and why God calls the meek.

Faithful777 said:

Faith is the Spirit of God, as His words are Spirit and life which we are to believe in.


Faith was given by them not opposing Gods word( men oppose by being in the snare of the devil)


That is how not all men have faith, and why God calls the meek.

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Please explain Acts 17:30
Truly these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commandeth ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENTANCE.

FAITHFUL 777, Did God call all men to repent?

Faithful777 said:

So God has no given repentance to all men, as to all men, faith is not given, clearly ( they are wicked men, men of faith are delivered from)..

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Which is it FAITHFUL 777

Is repentance for all men or only a select few?

New Testament Christian said:

Please explain Acts 17:30
Truly these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commandeth ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENTANCE.

FAITHFUL 777, Did God call all men to repent?



Which is it FAITHFUL 777

Is repentance for all men or only a select few?

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As for repentance, it is for the meek.

The ones who oppose themselves are in the snare ( pride of the devil) and not being meek, do not obey the call to repent.

God grants repentance by instructing them in meekness, who are opposing themselves ( opposing God too) through that snare and prideful mind of the devil




Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


1 Peter 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,


Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

New Testament Christian said:

Bye

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Unfortunately you think bye means not bye.

New Testament Christian said:

Please explain

FAITHFUL 777, Did God call all men to repent?



Which is it FAITHFUL 777

Is repentance for all men or only a select few?

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Unfortunately four questions and zero answers, and that does not prove that only the meek know how to be faithful ?

Faithful777 said:

Unfortunately you think bye means not bye.

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No, I know what Bye means.

I changed my mind.

If you will stop posting on different subjects and just stick to one subject I will try to answer you.

But I'm afraid you don't yet understand your own self.

It will be difficult to explain things to you,
No offense, not trying to intentionally insult you, friend.
Fact is, so far you have not followed in a logical thought process.