NATURAL IMMUNITY Provides Same, If Not Better Protection Against the Virus Than Covid-19 Vaccines

Searching1God said:

I am still waiting for you to produce the scientific studies on the mid and long term side effects of the covid vaccines.

Anything else you say is blah blah blah, no matter how many times you spew out the word "science" in between blahs.

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So you hate science refuse to accept reality and just going to reject anything that shows your wrong. It's obvious none of you care about actual threats, or dangerous potential, it's just to make a excuse because your afraid admit it.

loveofourlord said:

At this point no ones going to take you seriously if you repeat the long term nonsense. How long is long enough? It's just a lame excuse that has no bite.

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It's not like this is the first vaccine ever made... . Vaccines are a well understood science with millions of man hours behind it stretching back the last 100 years. And we aren't just talking any man hours, but big brained PhDs, Academics, Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, etc

Lastly, and most importantly, COVID has a 1.6% or so mortality rate and a 4% put-you-in-the-hospital-and-bankrupt-you rate for a combined 5.6% risk of completely destroying your life. This is known without a doubt, we have millions of data points for this. This is fact.

I would take a fact over a non-fact any day. If we are going to go into the realm of non-facts and non-evidence-- how do we know that the COVID vaccine doesn't extend your life 50 years and give you the ability to read the minds of your pets??? See how non-facts can work and how non-evidence can lead to complete nonsense and speculation...

Or put another way. I'm not risking my life on a 1 in 20 bet. 5%+ is simply too high of odds to risk my life all because I don't want a shot?

The risk of suffering serious adverse affects from the vaccine are less than 1 in 10,000 if not 1 in 100,000. This is orders of magnitude lower than the risk of COVID. This is not a hard math problem to solve...

Get vaccinated!

FYI, there are long term effects if you get sever COVID-19 and many they don't know
about yet. However, they are worse than the possible side effects from the vaccine.

Searching1God said:

And you know all of this because... you have seen studies or research on the mid and long term side effects of those Covid vaccines?? If so, Please produce them right here for ALL OF US TO SEE!!

Pfizer began testing Viagra in 1993 to see if it was safe, and it wasn't until 5 years later, 5 YEARS LATER, that it was deemed safe enough to be prescribed. During those 5 years, they had the opportunity to see the mid and long terms side effects. In other words, Viagra was tested longer than the Covid vaccines you are so eager to inflict on others.

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There are actually studies on use of mRNA used for medical purposes in people, dating back over 40 years ago. Is this what you are curious about? The vaccines of course consist of mRNA.

The tangled history of mRNA vaccines

Isaiah 41:10 said:

There are actually studies on use of mRNA used for medical purposes in people, dating back over 40 years ago. Is this what you are curious about? The vaccines of course consist of mRNA.

The tangled history of mRNA vaccines

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I took the time to go over the information you provided, reading through the graphs and numbers.

Nowhere does it show this mRNA technology was used on humans for medical purposes in people. The info you shared shows this technology was tested on animals like mice, frogs, rats etc... And it doesn't even say how long it was tested on those animals to determine long term side effects. To make the jump to humans for this technology and declare it safe for humans long term and further MANDATE it for humans on a broad scale level is to me a scientific stretch and dangerous human right constitutional overreach.

If I somehow missed the information where it was tested on humans and used on humans for medical purposes for 40 years, please kindly point it out to me. I am only human and can make mistake.

loveofourlord said:

So you hate science refuse to accept reality and just going to reject anything that shows your wrong. It's obvious none of you care about actual threats, or dangerous potential, it's just to make a excuse because your afraid admit it.

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I am pretty sure I have more and better scientific credentials than you do. You are entitled to your opinion, but scientists do not debate opinions, they debate studies.

You keep replying to me without studies to back up your claim that there are no mid and long terms side effects of the covid vaccines. Your inability to produce any so far speaks louder than your overuse of the words "science" and "reality."

Searching1God said:

I am pretty sure I have more and better scientific credentials than you do. You are entitled to your opinion, but scientists do not debate opinions, they debate studies.

You keep replying to me without studies to back up your claim that there are no mid and long terms side effects of the covid vaccines. Your inability to produce any so far speaks louder than your overuse of the words "science" and "reality."

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I'm still waiting for any of you to give any reason we should THINK there are such things, just again seems to be you guys making up excuses while people die.

loveofourlord said:

I'm still waiting for any of you to give any reason we should THINK there are such things, just again seems to be you guys making up excuses while people die.

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I don't have to give you any reason to think "there are such things", because I never claimed "there are such things."

I said that no one knows the mid and long term side effects of the vaccine, because there are no studies on the mid and long term side effects of the vaccines on humans. You claim my statements are wrong, so I asked you to produce such studies, and you have yet to meet that burden.

And let's not change the meaning of mid and long term side effects and pretend that we only need 1 year to know about mid and long term side effects. Just as an example, it took 5 years of clinical trials for Viagra to be approved.

Searching1God said:

I don't have to give you any reason to think "there are such things", because I never claimed "there are such things."

I said that no one knows the mid and long term side effects of the vaccine, because there are no studies on the mid and long term side effects of the vaccines on humans. You claim my statements are wrong, so I asked you to produce such studies, and you have yet to meet that burden.

And let's not change the meaning of mid and long term side effects and pretend that we only need 1 year to know about mid and long term side effects. Just as an example, it took 5 years of clinical trials for Viagra to be approved.

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You do if there is no mechanism for long term effects. Your tilting at windmills you need to prove there is a THERE to be afraid of before we should take you seriously. It's the same stupid arguments against GMO not enough testing, we don't know what will happen. And while your complaining about not enough testing people die, and can't even show you have any reason to think it's possible.

loveofourlord said:

You do if there is no mechanism for long term effects. Your tilting at windmills you need to prove there is a THERE to be afraid of before we should take you seriously. It's the same stupid arguments against GMO not enough testing, we don't know what will happen. And while your complaining about not enough testing people die, and can't even show you have any reason to think it's possible.

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LOL!

Medical science does not work the way your mind works. In fact, I don't think there is any science that works the way your mind works. I am done arguing with you, people watching us might mistake me for a fool too.

But if you do discover studies showing mid and long term side effects of Covid vaccine, holla at me!

Searching1God said:

LOL!

Medical science does not work the way your mind works. In fact, I don't think there is any science that works the way your mind works. I am done arguing with you, people watching us might mistake me for a fool too.

But if you do discover studies showing mid and long term side effects of Covid vaccine, holla at me!

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So what does medicine and science use to figure out is enough testing? I assume your the grand arbiter or what is enough?

Searching1God said:

I don't have to give you any reason to think "there are such things", because I never claimed "there are such things."

I said that no one knows the mid and long term side effects of the vaccine, because there are no studies on the mid and long term side effects of the vaccines on humans. You claim my statements are wrong, so I asked you to produce such studies, and you have yet to meet that burden.

And let's not change the meaning of mid and long term side effects and pretend that we only need 1 year to know about mid and long term side effects. Just as an example, it took 5 years of clinical trials for Viagra to be approved.

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No one knows the long term effects of receiving the virus either. Fact is, people who have recovered from the virus infection, feel effects months after. My wife's dental hygienist just told her yesterday that she got the infection last year before the vaccination had been developed. She still feels difficulty breathing every now and then.

Read about the phases a person who gets the infection may go through if they end up in the ER, and compare that to getting vaccinated. It's a no brainer that getting vaccinated is easier and far better than getting the virus.

JimR-OCDS said:

No one knows the long term effects of receiving the virus either. Fact is, people who have recovered from the virus infection, feel effects months after. My wife's dental hygienist just told her yesterday that she got the infection last year before the vaccination had been developed. She still feels difficulty breathing every now and then.

Read about the phases a person who gets the infection may go through if they end up in the ER, and compare that to getting vaccinated. It's a no brainer that getting vaccinated is easier and far better than getting the virus.

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I had the virus and I am perfectly recovered.

Those who develop severe covid complications tend to be for the most part overweight/obese, or are elderly. You can't help your age, but how about the weight issues? How about we start tackling the epidemic of ovesity in this country if we are really serious about saving lives from Covid?
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.

Searching1God said:

I had the virus and I am perfectly recovered.

Those who develop severe covid complications tend to be for the most part overweight/obese, or are elderly. You can't help your age, but how about the weight issues? How about we start tackling the epidemic of ovesity in this country if we are really serious about saving lives from Covid?
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.

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Problem with this mentality is that is most Americans and statirsticly likely to be you too. Not saying you are, but odds are some of those dismissing it as only elderly and overweight fit that.

And studies coming out this year (2021) have showed that while people who are lean or of normal weight make protective antibodies after infection, obese people did not make as much protective antibodies— instead,they tended to make maladaptive autoantibodies.

Influence of obesity on serum levels of SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies in COVID-19 patients

The majority of SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies in COVID-19 patients with obesity are autoimmune and not neutralizing | International Journal of Obesity

So either way you slice and dice it, we need to solve the obesity epidemic that has taken over our country if we are really serious about saving lives, otherwise we are just paying lip services.

Searching1God said:

I had the virus and I am perfectly recovered.

Those who develop severe covid complications tend to be for the most part overweight/obese, or are elderly. You can't help your age, but how about the weight issues? How about we start tackling the epidemic of ovesity in this country if we are really serious about saving lives from Covid?
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.

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This sounds like your just looking for a scapegoat to stay away from mandates, the vaccine and masking.

While the above that I quoted is true to an extent, I transported enough normal weight healthy people suffering from Covid to know that Covid affects all and that severe complications weren't just for the groups you mentioned. Severe complications happened to all walks of life.

Searching1God said:

I took the time to go over the information you provided, reading through the graphs and numbers.

Nowhere does it show this mRNA technology was used on humans for medical purposes in people. The info you shared shows this technology was tested on animals like mice, frogs, rats etc... And it doesn't even say how long it was tested on those animals to determine long term side effects. To make the jump to humans for this technology and declare it safe for humans long term and further MANDATE it for humans on a broad scale level is to me a scientific stretch and dangerous human right constitutional overreach.

If I somehow missed the information where it was tested on humans and used on humans for medical purposes for 40 years, please kindly point it out to me. I am only human and can make mistake.

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I'll lend you a hand.

As far back as 1978, scientists had used fatty membrane structures called liposomes to transport mRNA into mouse3 and human4
Evidence for translation of rabbit globin mRNA after liposome-mediated insertion into a human cell line - PubMed

Autologous dendritic cells transfected with prostate-specific antigen RNA stimulate CTL responses against metastatic prostate tumors - PubMed -2001 study, mRNA used in trials against cancer.

2009 trials for mrna against cancer- (PDF) Direct Injection of Protamine-protected mRNA: Results of a Phase 1/2 Vaccination Trial in Metastatic Melanoma Patients

Pre pandemic studies in people:
Safety and immunogenicity of a mRNA rabies vaccine in healthy adults: an open-label, non-randomised, prospective, first-in-human phase 1 clinical trial - PubMed - PubMed 2013 to 2017 trials for vaccination against rabies.

2014 mRNA vaccines trials were used for combatting breast cancer in people- https://oncologypro.esmo.org/meeting-resources/esmo-virtual-congress-2020/t-cell-responses-induced-by-an-individualized-neoantigen-specific-immune-therapy-in-post-neo-adjuvant-patients-with-triple-negative-breast-cancer

Preclinical and Clinical Demonstration of Immunogenicity by mRNA Vaccines against H10N8 and H7N9 Influenza Viruses - ScienceDirect -discusses two 2017 clinical trials of vaccination against influenza.

Study in mice (one of several) some 30 years ago:
Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo - PubMed


Of course there weren't any covid-19 vaccines used in the past because covid-19 didn't exist. But there have been several mRNA vaccine safety trials that have unfolded over the past 40 years. Aside from mRNA, lipid nanoparticles encapsulating technology was approved by the FDA in 1995 and used with verteporfin in people dating back in the early 2000s.

Searching1God said:

I had the virus and I am perfectly recovered.

Those who develop severe covid complications tend to be for the most part overweight/obese, or are elderly. You can't help your age, but how about the weight issues? How about we start tackling the epidemic of ovesity in this country if we are really serious about saving lives from Covid?
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.

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That was once thought when Covid first broke last year, then fitness gurus and personal trainers got long covid and those that were once runners and athletic enthusiasts can barely walk a few blocks without getting winded.

Explain that!