Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

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I think that is one of the difficulties. I would compare Hollywood movies of the 1990’s about NY under siege or terrorist attack to what actually happened on September 11th, 2001. What actually happened was so hard to believe because it was more dramatic than the Hollywood scripts. It was hard to believe, but it was really true.

And there is nothing inherently absurd about callous men of wealth and power seeking to control world events (and making themselves vastly wealthier and more powerful in the process).
I don't think that they are shy at all about telling us what they are doing and portraying it as fiction, because if we come to have the sense that such things only happen in the crazy, make-believe movies, what sane person would suspect that any such thing would ever actually be real?
 
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I don't think that they are shy at all about telling us what they are doing and portraying it as fiction, because if we come to have the sense that such things only happen in the crazy, make-believe movies, what sane person would suspect that any such thing would ever actually be real?

That's my point, of course. It's the heaviest weapon against our general position - casting it as absurd, when in fact what was once science fantasy, or the plot of some James Bond movie, is actually being surpassed by men callous and powerful enough to fund the research and creation of a virus that could so disrupt Western civilization, brazenly arrange its release, not caring about the "collateral damage", and breaking down all defenses against their techno/plutocratic effort to dominate world finance and human affairs. It IS hard to believe, and we have been strongly conditioned against taking the idea seriously. That's why I get how it is that people can disagree with us (in general - you and I accent different aspects of this coup-d'etats {spelling deliberate}).
 
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That's my point, of course. It's the heaviest weapon against our general position - casting it as absurd, when in fact what was once science fantasy, or the plot of some James Bond movie, is actually being surpassed by men callous and powerful enough to fund the research and creation of a virus that could so disrupt Western civilization, brazenly arrange its release, not caring about the "collateral damage", and breaking down all defenses against their techno/plutocratic effort to dominate world finance and human affairs. It IS hard to believe, and we have been strongly conditioned against taking the idea seriously. That's why I get how it is that people can disagree with us (in general - you and I accent different aspects of this coup-d'etats {spelling deliberate}).
Well said. Not too long ago I was also one who would have disagreed with us, so I don't have any problem seeing how others would disagree either. I'm still perfectly capable of holding their view alongside my own, oddly enough, but the view that is seen through the lens of the Word and Spirit of God is the one that I find is consistent with the sayings of the saints, and consistent with how they believed and lived. Collateral damage (i.e. human sacrifice) is always immense with the advent of world-changing ideologies, so it's not at all shocking that this was done in our case now. Never shocking, but always lamentable.
 
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Hmmm...just saw a new book for sale called "The real Anthony Fauci" that seems to discuss that. It says "Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the global war on democracy and public health" by Robert F Kennedy Jr!
Yes, I've heard of the new book. :)
 
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I’m the end, all we can say is what we see. My wife is on the “COVID Clinic” at her site. As a nurse practitioner, she has given that shot to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. Then as part of her clinic she tests patients and follows up with them. No issues. I’ve spoken to scores of people who’ve taken the shot. I know a few who were sick a couple days. I know of a few breakthrough infections also, like you mentioned. But at our local hospital nearly the entire compliment of COVID folks on ventilators are unvaccinated. Likewise, over 90% of the dead are unvaxxed.

Have people died from the shot? I’m sure. However, I just havent met them. I have, however met hundreds and hundreds of successful vaxxes. I’m aware that people outside of my world have different experiences and I’m not laughing them off or rolling my eyes. That being said, I think you overlooked my post a bit. I said that I’m not interested in further injections. At the height of COVID I thought it prudent. At this point, I do t find a booster necessary. In addition, I don’t think long term use of mRNA tech is wise.

I’ve also said I’m opposed to mandates. This should be a choice. Nobody, as a condition of employment, should be browbeaten with this. I also think world governments are using this shot now as a control mechanism. I don’t think we should create two tiers of citizenship as well. I think the Balkanization of the world is what the braintrusts want to be sure.

I don’t think the vaccine is worth it to some patients for sure. Others benefit.

I appreciate what you say about me not doing the will of Satan. I’m definitely not trying to do the work of Old Nick.

Hi! I get that's what you see. As I've said before, I think your point of view quite understandable.
And for that reason, I wouldn't suggest that you are seeking to "follow antichrist", or other such accusations, because I understand that essentially none of us are acting out of bad faith or evil intention; we all honestly think what we think. Conversely, I don't see any doubters of the official narrative claiming that anyone's head is exploding. I don't even think you are saying that anyone here did, I just think it's shorthand on your part for describing the view you think mistaken as leaning toward the absurd.

My own perspective is quite different. A teacher at the school I used to work at here in town died of covid - AFTER having been vaccinated. We are aware of multiple cases here of people that we know catching it or having serious complications after said vaccinations and boosters, while a large number of people have either not been vaccinated and remained healthy or gotten covid with only mild symptoms. The official numbers of severe cases and deaths reported are very large, and have absolutely no relation to what we can see around us. That perspective strongly suggests that, at the very least, most people are better off NOT getting these new vaccines, which have had no observation of long-term effects at all. It's a different perspective, leading to a different conclusion, Gurney. I think you're the bee's knees, but I think there is enough variation of perspective to say with confidence that what you see is NOT what an awful lot of people see, and that's taking into account your wife's experience, which I by no means deny, and even respect. It's legitimate experience. But the overall picture is much broader than that relatively narrow perspective.
 
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Again, for those who rely on published data. I posted earlier about a few cases.

Recently vaccinated young woman (38) close to us started having (like I did) very rapid heart rates. She also got (like I didn't get) very dizzy/fainty. Went to ER, where she was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation and she had 180 beats per minute. Treated, doing better, will need to be on two medications indefinitely (has never taken more than an Advil here and there all her life). Here's the thing - we all have this portal online where we can see all our notes. She told everyone about the COVID vaccine a few days before, some actually asked her. There is no word in any of the notes in the portal, not even a passing mention. They to stipulate that "she drinks alcohol" a dozen times although she hasn't had a drink in weeks and, I know for sure, she only has a drink socially very rarely and it is definitely NOT a factor.

Again, this doesn't mean anything about how "dangerous" the vaccines are, but it means everything about how silly it is to rely on data about vaccine reactions if the data isn't collected.
 
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I think we live in an age where “data” is whatever you want it to be. In my Masters degree research, I could find “research” to support any conclusion. Lots of self-fulfilling BS out there. I don’t trust the government. The same folks who tell you to chop your penis off and kill your baby are asking you to trust their objectivity and data. Not buying it.
 
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What do you guys think of the COVID pill they’re talking about that’s coming to a theater near you?
I'm for any good medicine and therapies that will help people who may get very sick from covid. And I'm for giving people the medicine before they are further into being sick, which makes it harder for the medicine to work. Having said that, I'm not without skepticism that Pfizer always has some type of pill that pops up at the right time, and Merck isn't exactly a corrupt-free pharmaceutical company either. But I am happy that lots of medicines are becoming available for those who want to take them or need to take them to help them recover more quickly and better, as long as they are tested and have the trials required and not rushed, and are actually safe. :)
 
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What do you guys think of the COVID pill they’re talking about that’s coming to a theater near you?

Which one? The Pfizer one or the Meck one? In fact, there are many trials on various antivirals both single and in combination that look promising. I'm actually cautiously hopeful about the results.

I am more cautious about the Meck one because (1) it is actually a novel antiviral, although it seems not to have significant side effects, and (2) it sounds like the Merck trial was stopped early (?) because of dramatic efficacy. I'm not sure about the accuracy of my information - correct me if I'm wong. Either way, I guess I wouldn't be an "early adopter" - I'd wait a while. The upside is that they really think this drug will maintain efficacy for future variants.

Pfizer's is at least an old anti-HIV drug. It almost begs a conspiracy theory, doesn't it? But I won't go there - a protease inhibitor is a protease inhibitor and everybody has been trying all the antivirals on the market anyway. Results were / are quite remarkable for reduction in hospitalizations / deaths. The upside for me is that we do have lot of safety / use experience with it.

Trials now focus on antiviral combinations and on post-exposure in asymptomatic people, so this will be an evolving story.

I don't know what else to say... if these ones do not work, expect combinations to come to the market mid-next year. Expect indication for the pill to be expanded from early symptomatic to post-exposure asymptomatic and then, who knows, to pre-exposure (PrEP). Imagine a world where you take anti-HIV / similar drugs every time you go to a party... Of course, ethical issues may appear when the stakes are so high (potentially an indefinite continuous demand).
 
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I'm the last person to be unsympathetic with your mom. I'm VERY sorry you lost her. I'm watching my parents age and it just plain sucks. My dad is recovering and today was blowing me away how he could move. My mom has awful Parkinson's. Terrible. They're getting old, and I'm very tight with them. I'm an only-child. We're very very close. To lose my mom would be devastating. So you are in my prayers and love. And I'm very sorry she passed away. I'm also sorry you're seeing all these reactions and problems.

When I describe what I see, it is not a commentary on what others 'shouldn't' see. I'm in no way discounting your pain, loss, or these things you're seeing. When you say, "regardless of your experience," it seems to imply I think only my experience matters to me. That's not the case. It's merely....my experience. Why do I bring this up? To seem callous or eye-rolling to folks with reactions? No. I merely think if we're going to paint an accurate picture of this injection, we need a robust and expansive series of experiences to be described. Most of us agree in here that the data is not telling the whole story. The CDC is not telling us a lot, and many doctors, as you have stated, are under pressure to not criticize the vaccine while pushing the reactions to the side. If the data is bull, which I think it is, then all we have is anecdotes. Your anecdotes are seriously awful. Mine are the opposite.

What I think you don't know about me is that I argue the pros and cons of this vaccine more than you realize. My friend at work is a rabid pro-vaxx Moderna-lover. He sees it almost religiously. Because he, his dad, his wife, his sister, brother-in-law, cousins, friends, neighbors, coworkers, nieces and nephews, and folks in his life all had a good reaction to the vaccine, he is utterly predisposed to fight for it. He sees any opposition as insane. I argue with him a lot. His arguments are "Kids have been required to get vaccines for decades! This is just one more!" to which I rebut that this is by no means a traditional vaccine with a castrated version of the virus in it. Apples and oranges. He argues that it's a vaccine and this is a virus, so shots should be required to which I rebut that flu shots are not required AND the common cold is a virus that has been around for thousands of years and will continue to exist no matter what that we can't eliminate....yet we go to work anyway and deal with the aftermath.

My friend and I argue a ton. He trusts the government. I don't. We go in circles.

As I stated, I don't want any more boosters. I did fine with the vaccines, but I don't want them in perpetuity. Not at all. And I think they're potentially damaging long-term though I have no data to prove that. I've also said that I regret having vaccinated my kids. So, if you think I'm a loon on this, I'm really not.

I've watched what is going on in Australia. It's pure insanity. The way the state and the cops are treating protesters is lunacy. I only with the Aussies hadn't handed over their firearms so gleefully many decades ago and had stood firm. The need to rise up won't happen when the state holds all the gats and the people have nothing but water balloons.

I personally am opposed to mandates and I think we need to put more value on natural immunity, which we are quickly building. But I will say (again anecdotally) that our local hospital is maxed out with COVID cases, tons of folks still on ventilators, and my part of California is begging Los Angeles County to allow COVID patient transfers asap. Our many hospitals are getting impacted to the point that surgeries and procedures are being put off. The problem with COVID was never death, but hospitals packed to the rafters. And perhaps where you are it looks awesome. Where I am....it sucks....

Again, my condolences on your beloved mother. I remember reading the tail end of the thread where you discussed losing her. I was broken-hearted to read it. God bless you and may her memory be eternal.

My mum is dead now due to adverse reactions to the Covid vaccine. My daughter's husband suffered heart problems from his Covid vaccination. Two work colleagues almost died from adverse reactions to covid vaccination, one suffering a serious stroke and the other getting myocarditis. The former is now required to get a booster shot if he wants to keep his job, the latter is now on medication for the rest of his life to keep from having a heart attack. Regardless of your own experience there are hundreds of thousands of people who have suffered adverse reactions to the covid vaccinations including death.
 
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Saw this today:

“Shake away the sleep of despondency, O sons of Russia! Behold the glory of her suffering and be purified; wash yourselves from your sins! Be strengthened in the Orthodox Faith, so as to be worthy to dwell in the dwelling of the Lord and to settle on His holy mountain! Leap up, leap up, arise, O Russia, you who from the Lord's hands have drunk the cup of His wrath! When your suffering shall have ended, your righteousness shall go with you and the glory of the Lord shall accompany you. The peoples shall come to your light, and kings to the shining which shall rise upon you. Then Lift up your eyes and see: behold your children come to you from the West and the North and the Sea and the East, blessing you in Christ forever. Amen” - St. John (Maximovich) the Wonderworker
 
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In Austria they are now making vaccination mandatory. If you do not comply from February you will be fined or imprisoned. If people are not awake to this pure evil by now I really don't know what to say .....
This surprises me, Austria has generally had a peaceful, democratic existence.
 
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I found this information from Orthodox Ethos very important. I happened upon it yesterday. I'd not heard anything about this controversy until one of my friends brought it up a few times in the past few months. My son had read St. Paisios' life and St. Porphyrios' as well (I've read the latter's life in Wounded by Love), and he never recalled hearing anything as mentioned in the comments in the OE website. Only my friend seemed to know of it. But it turns out that isn't true, but misinformation. This is good to know. I was wondering what that was all about.

I'm posting it here because this revolves around St. Paisios' prophetic sayings, and his disciplines speaking out about the covid shots.

Today’s Slander of St. Paisios from Those in the Church | The falsehood of a supposed letter form St. Porphyrios chastising St. Paisios

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Some have made mention of an alleged letter written by St. Porphyrios to St. Paisios the Athonite. In their ignorance, this non-existent “letter” is used to slander St. Paisios the Athonite. The basic accusation is that St. Paisios was not discerning of the times, but undiscerning and excessive, and even that he was influenced by Protestant publications (!) or talking points to form his teaching on eschatology and the signs of the times. This supposed “excess” is aid to have prompted St. Porphyrios to rebuke St. Paisios teaching and behavior. Some who have believed these rumors and been deceived into slandering the Saint have been led to raise the alarm and warn the Faithful that a “Protestant Ethos” is infecting the Church.

Upon learning of these false accusations Orthodox Ethos reached out to the immediate disciples of St. Paisios who are known to be faithful to their Elder. They doubted the existence of such a letter. Moreover, it was obvious that St. Paisios did not heed the supposed “admonition” of St. Porphyrios. These disciples of St. Paisios entirely rejected the claim.
 
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I found this information from Orthodox Ethos very important. I happened upon it yesterday. I'd not heard anything about this controversy until one of my friends brought it up a few times in the past few months. My son had read St. Paisios' life and St. Porphyrios' as well (I've read the latter's life in Wounded by Love), and he never recalled hearing anything as mentioned in the comments in the OE website. Only my friend seemed to know of it. But it turns out that isn't true, but misinformation. This is good to know. I was wondering what that was all about.

I'm posting it here because this revolves around St. Paisios' prophetic sayings, and his disciplines speaking out about the covid shots.

Today’s Slander of St. Paisios from Those in the Church | The falsehood of a supposed letter form St. Porphyrios chastising St. Paisios

excerpt:

Some have made mention of an alleged letter written by St. Porphyrios to St. Paisios the Athonite. In their ignorance, this non-existent “letter” is used to slander St. Paisios the Athonite. The basic accusation is that St. Paisios was not discerning of the times, but undiscerning and excessive, and even that he was influenced by Protestant publications (!) or talking points to form his teaching on eschatology and the signs of the times. This supposed “excess” is aid to have prompted St. Porphyrios to rebuke St. Paisios teaching and behavior. Some who have believed these rumors and been deceived into slandering the Saint have been led to raise the alarm and warn the Faithful that a “Protestant Ethos” is infecting the Church.

Upon learning of these false accusations Orthodox Ethos reached out to the immediate disciples of St. Paisios who are known to be faithful to their Elder. They doubted the existence of such a letter. Moreover, it was obvious that St. Paisios did not heed the supposed “admonition” of St. Porphyrios. These disciples of St. Paisios entirely rejected the claim.
I thought that it was true that St Porphyrios said those things until I saw this yesterday. I’m so thankful for OE through all of this along some others.
 
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I thought that it was true that St Porphyrios said those things until I saw this yesterday. I’m so thankful for OE through all of this along some others.
The only thing I've heard that I've not heard to be false is that St. Porphyrios had asked St. Paisios in his own way to be a little less harsh in how he communicated with people. But St. Paisios wasn't harsh with every person he counseled. It depended on the person, which makes sense. In any case, that's the only "chastising" I'd heard about. Yes, it's good that this was cleared up!
 
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Just saw this on a you tube creator's channel I follow. A note from him:

"The whole of Mount Athos is shocked at the sudden death of the former Chief Supervisor (Πρωτοεπιστάτης) Paul from Great Lavra, from a sudden heart failure a few days after the 3rd dose of his vaccine.

Many Elders on Mt Athos consider this a Sign. The words of Geronda Parthenios, Geronda Gabriel and others are being confirmed: whoever has the 3rd dose of the vaccine does not have a future.

Even if one has done the 1st or 2nd he must NOT do the 3rd. He must go to Holy Confession and repent of participating indirectly / supporting the demonic use of cell lines from murdered unborn babies and the demonic methodology at work in the CV narrative."
 
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