God's unconditional promises to the ancient nation of Israel

Biblewriter · Nov 22, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Are you the same guy who had to admit a few days ago that Hebrews 8:11-12 is in the Bible?

Did that experience teach you any humility?

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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)

The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?

1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)

2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?

3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?

4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?

5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?

6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?

7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?

8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)

9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)

10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.

Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:

“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.

Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.

John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…

"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

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TRUE humility is simply believing what God has EXPLICITLY said.

BABerean2 · Nov 23, 2021

Biblewriter said:
TRUE humility is simply believing what God has EXPLICITLY said.

God EXPLICITLY said in Hebrews 8:6-13 that the promise of the New Covenant found in Jeremiah 31:31-34 has "now" been fulfilled by Christ.

See also Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24.

God EXPLICITYLY said in Galatians 3:16-29 that the promise made to Abraham was made to the one seed, instead to the many seeds, and that I am Abraham's seed and inheritor of the promise through faith in Christ.

God EXPLICITLY said in Titus 3:9 that we are to now ignore genealogies in our faith. Why? Because the most important genealogy in the Bible is found in Matthew 1:1, as confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.
There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the Church found in the New Testament.

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Biblewriter · Nov 23, 2021

BABerean2 said:
God EXPLICITLY said in Hebrews 8:6-13 that the promise of the New Covenant found in Jeremiah 31:31-34 has "now" been fulfilled by Christ.

Actually, that is NOT what it says. It ACTUALLY says, "Now what IS BECOMING obsolete and GROWING OLD IS READY TO vanish away." (Hebrews 8:13) This is an explicit statement that something is GOING TO happen, not that it HAS happened.

God EXPLICITYLY said in Galatians 3:16-29 that the promise made to Abraham was made to the one seed, instead to the many seeds, and that I am Abraham's seed and inheritor of the promise through faith in Christ.

This was indeed explicitly said of ONE OF the MANY promises made to Abraham. But I have alreadt demonstrated that God Himself EXPLICITLY made OTHER promises to Abraham's "seed" using plural words.

God EXPLICITLY said in Titus 3:9 that we are to now ignore genealogies in our faith. Why? Because the most important genealogy in the Bible is found in Matthew 1:1, as confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.
There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the Church found in the New Testament.

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The genealogies God was here speaking of were the Hebrew boastings about their lineage. It has NOTHING to do with the ancient promises that God EXPLICITLY made to the ancient nation of Israel, to both of the ancoens sub-nations of Ephraim and Judah, to each of the twelve tribes of Israel by name, to the descendants of seven specific Israelites, and to the PLOT OF REAL ESTATE occupied in ancient times by the ancient NATION of Israel.

There is not even ONE New testament passage that even IMPLIES that these PROMISES will not be LITERALLY kept.

BABerean2 · Nov 23, 2021

Biblewriter said:
Actually, that is NOT what it says. It ACTUALLY says, "Now what IS BECOMING obsolete and GROWING OLD IS READY TO vanish away." (Hebrews 8:13) This is an explicit statement that something is GOING TO happen, not that it HAS happened.

The only way to get your interpretation above is to ignore the words "now", "is", and "was" in Hebrews 8:6, and to act like you are ignorant of the animal sacrifices ceasing a few years after the passage was written, during the year 70 AD when the temple was destroyed.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Anyone who claims the New Covenant has not been fully fulfilled makes the words of Christ false in the passage below.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Are you a New Covenant denier?

Do you believe God wants a return to the Old Covenant during a future time?

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Biblewriter · Nov 24, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Are you a New Covenant denier?

Do you believe God wants a return to the Old Covenant during a future time?

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I find it difficult to believe could even possibly be ignorant of the fact that I have REPEATEDLY and EXPLICITLY pointed out that the future resumption of animal sacrifices that is EXPLICITLY STATED in Ezekiel is NOT a return to the Old Covenant. For both the sacrifices and the ordinances specificied in Ezekiel are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT from those specified in the law of Moses.

So I believe that this question, like so MANY other things you say here, is an INTENTIONAL attempt to MISREPRESENT what you already KNOW to be the views, both of myself and of Dispensationalists in general.
Such DISHONESTY is not even acceptable in polite discussion, much less in what is being pretended to be Christian discussion.

Clare73 · Nov 24, 2021

Biblewriter said:
I find it difficult to believe could even possibly be ignorant of the fact that I have REPEATEDLY and EXPLICITLY pointed out that the future resumption of animal sacrifices that is EXPLICITLY STATED in Ezekiel is NOT a return to the Old Covenant. For both the sacrifices and the ordinances specificied in Ezekiel are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT from those specified in the law of Moses.

However, they are graded, prepared and offered in exactly the same way.
The only difference is the number of animals.

So I believe that this question, like so MANY other things you say here, is an INTENTIONAL attempt to MISREPRESENT what you already KNOW to be the views, both of myself and of Dispensationalists in general.
Such DISHONESTY is not even acceptable in polite discussion, much less in what is being pretended to be Christian discussion.

Clare73 · Nov 24, 2021

Biblewriter said:
TRUE humility is simply believing what God has EXPLICITLY said.

As you believe God's NT word that the Church is
the called-out people of God going back to Abraham (Genesis 12:1; Galatians 3:7-8, Galatians 3:16, Galatians 3:29; Romans 4:16, Romans 11:16-17; Ephesians 3:6; 1 Peter 2:9-10),

the body of Christ in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Ephesians 5:31-32),
that body being the singular vessel (Ephesians 1:22-23, Ephesians 2:11-22, Ephesians 3:6),
the one tree (Romans 11:17-24),
the only vine (Hosea 10:1; John 15:5) and
the one fold (John 10:16),

wherein God demonstrates the wisdom of his counsels, for the instructing of the angels (Ephesians 3:10-11; cf 1 Corinthians 4:9, 1 Corinthians 11:10; 1 Peter 1:12; 1 Timothy 5:21; Hebrews 12:22; Luke 15:7). His body the Church is

the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, Mount Zion, the holy mountain (Hebrews 12:22),
including the OT saints (Revelation 21:9-12),
the circumcision (Philippians 3:3),
the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16),
the chosen people, royal priesthood, holy nation (1 Peter 2:9),
the seed of Abraham (Romans 4:11; Galatians 3:29),

in whom God's eternal purpose from before the foundations of the world has been to prepare her as a bride, without spot or blemish to present her radiant to the Lamb, his one and only Son, (Ephesians 1:4-5, Ephesians 5:25-32; Revelation 19:7-8, Revelation 21:1-2, Revelation 21:9-14).
All of history and all of time is for this SINGLE purpose of God--to prepare a bride for his Son.

The OT revealed the plan in types and shadows (Genesis 18:18; Exodus 15:17; Psalms 49:9-15, Psalms 48:1-14; Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 24:23, Isaiah 25:6-10, Isaiah 26:1-2, Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 55:3-5, Isaiah 56:6-8, Isaiah 60:1-22; Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 65:1, Isaiah 65:17-25, Isaiah 66:20-24);
Christ secured the plan on the cross (Ephesians 5:23-25; Titus 2:14), and
the NT reveals the plan in full ( (Romans 16:25-26; Ephesians 1:9-10, Ephesians 3:3-6, Ephesians 3:8-11, Ephesians 5:32; Colossians 1:26-28, Colossians 2:2-3; Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11:15, Revelation 16:17, Revelation 21:6).

So that all those not called to that single purpose (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:9-11, Ephesians 3:10-11; Philippians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:9); i.e., all those not included in the bride of the Lamb (aka, the Church, the body of Christ, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, the kingdom of God, the new creation--Ephesians 2:10) are eternally lost outsiders (Romans 11:23; Revelation 22:14-15; cf 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Ephesians 5:5; Galatians 5:19-21),
because they are not part of that eternal plan secured by the sacrifice of the Lamb (Ephesians 1:22-23, Ephesians 5:23-32; Acts 4:12).

It is in the light of the NT that we learn that God has only one purpose in human history (Ephesians 1:8-11), and that purpose is his Church, the bride of the Lamb and the body of his Christ (Colossians 1:16-20; Revelation 11:15). That Church is
the goal of all his counsels (Romans 8:30; Romans 9:22-24; cf Exodus 12:36; Deuteronomy 4:37-38; 1 Chronicles 17:12-14; Proverbs 13:22, Proverbs 21:18; Isaiah 43:3-4; Revelation 21:6),
the showcase of his wisdom,
the crown jewel of his new creation (Revelation 21:1; Revelation 21:11, Revelation 21:18-21). It is the true temple (Ephesians 2:19-22) and
the singular residence of his glory (Revelation 21:22-23).

So in the light of the NT, we see that the prophetic types; e.g., the promised land, the kingdom, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, Jerusalem, the Holy City, the bride (Ezekiel 16:32; Isaiah 62:5; Jeremiah 3:6-20), the temple (Ezekiel 40-44; Zechariah 6:12-13), the priesthood, etc.
have their completion in Christ, and in his body, the Church (2 Corinthians 1:20; Matthew 12:28; Luke 17:21-22; Hebrews 12:22; 1 Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 2:9-10),
either in time on earth, in eternity in the new creation, or both; for
the Church is that new creation both of time (2 Corinthians 4:16, 2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 6:15) and eternity (Revelation 21:1, Revelation 21:4-8),
which is the restoring of the original creation (Genesis 1:27 w/ Colossians 3:10; Ephesians 4:24; Titus 3:5; Genesis 1:28 w/ Matthew 19:28; 1 Corinthians 6:2-3; Genesis 2:24 w/ Matthew 19:8-9; Romans 8:19-23 w/ 2 Peter 3:12-13).

It is in the light of the NT that we see the marvelous unity, not division, of the divine plan (Ephesians 4:4-6), as well as of the Bible.

BABerean2 · Nov 24, 2021

Biblewriter said:
I find it difficult to believe could even possibly be ignorant of the fact that I have REPEATEDLY and EXPLICITLY pointed out that the future resumption of animal sacrifices that is EXPLICITLY STATED in Ezekiel is NOT a return to the Old Covenant. For both the sacrifices and the ordinances specificied in Ezekiel are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT from those specified in the law of Moses.

If there were animal sacrifices after Ezekiel wrote those words, why would you think it applies to a time after the New Covenant was fulfilled at Calvary?

Have you read the entire Book of Hebrews? A few days ago, you seemed to deny that Hebrews 8:11-12 is in the Bible.

Now you seem to think that God wants the blood of animals at some future time. If these animals are not sacrificed for sin, what is the purpose of their sacrifice?

Heb_10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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Biblewriter · Nov 25, 2021

Clare73 said:
However, they are graded, prepared and offered in exactly the same way.
The only difference is the number of animals.

That is factually incorrect.

Biblewriter · Nov 25, 2021

Clare73 said:
As you believe God's NT word that the Church is
the called-out people of God going back to Abraham (Genesis 12:1; Galatians 3:7-8, Galatians 3:16, Galatians 3:29; Romans 4:16, Romans 11:16-17; Ephesians 3:6; 1 Peter 2:9-10),

the body of Christ in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Ephesians 5:31-32),
that body being the singular vessel (Ephesians 1:22-23, Ephesians 2:11-22, Ephesians 3:6),
the one tree (Romans 11:17-24),
the only vine (Hosea 10:1; John 15:5) and
the one fold (John 10:16),

wherein God demonstrates the wisdom of his counsels, for the instructing of the angels (Ephesians 3:10-11; cf 1 Corinthians 4:9, 1 Corinthians 11:10; 1 Peter 1:12; 1 Timothy 5:21; Hebrews 12:22; Luke 15:7). His body the Church is

the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, Mount Zion, the holy mountain (Hebrews 12:22),
including the OT saints (Revelation 21:9-12),
the circumcision (Philippians 3:3),
the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16),
the chosen people, royal priesthood, holy nation (1 Peter 2:9),
the seed of Abraham (Romans 4:11; Galatians 3:29),

in whom God's eternal purpose from before the foundations of the world has been to prepare her as a bride, without spot or blemish to present her radiant to the Lamb, his one and only Son, (Ephesians 1:4-5, Ephesians 5:25-32; Revelation 19:7-8, Revelation 21:1-2, Revelation 21:9-14).
All of history and all of time is for this SINGLE purpose of God--to prepare a bride for his Son.

The OT revealed the plan in types and shadows (Genesis 18:18; Exodus 15:17; Psalms 49:9-15, Psalms 48:1-14; Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 24:23, Isaiah 25:6-10, Isaiah 26:1-2, Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 55:3-5, Isaiah 56:6-8, Isaiah 60:1-22; Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 65:1, Isaiah 65:17-25, Isaiah 66:20-24);
Christ secured the plan on the cross (Ephesians 5:23-25; Titus 2:14), and
the NT reveals the plan in full ( (Romans 16:25-26; Ephesians 1:9-10, Ephesians 3:3-6, Ephesians 3:8-11, Ephesians 5:32; Colossians 1:26-28, Colossians 2:2-3; Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11:15, Revelation 16:17, Revelation 21:6).

So that all those not called to that single purpose (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:9-11, Ephesians 3:10-11; Philippians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:9); i.e., all those not included in the bride of the Lamb (aka, the Church, the body of Christ, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, the kingdom of God, the new creation--Ephesians 2:10) are eternally lost outsiders (Romans 11:23; Revelation 22:14-15; cf 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Ephesians 5:5; Galatians 5:19-21),
because they are not part of that eternal plan secured by the sacrifice of the Lamb (Ephesians 1:22-23, Ephesians 5:23-32; Acts 4:12).

It is in the light of the NT that we learn that God has only one purpose in human history (Ephesians 1:8-11), and that purpose is his Church, the bride of the Lamb and the body of his Christ (Colossians 1:16-20; Revelation 11:15). That Church is
the goal of all his counsels (Romans 8:30; Romans 9:22-24; cf Exodus 12:36; Deuteronomy 4:37-38; 1 Chronicles 17:12-14; Proverbs 13:22, Proverbs 21:18; Isaiah 43:3-4; Revelation 21:6),
the showcase of his wisdom,
the crown jewel of his new creation (Revelation 21:1; Revelation 21:11, Revelation 21:18-21). It is the true temple (Ephesians 2:19-22) and
the singular residence of his glory (Revelation 21:22-23).

So in the light of the NT, we see that the prophetic types; e.g., the promised land, the kingdom, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, Jerusalem, the Holy City, the bride (Ezekiel 16:32; Isaiah 62:5; Jeremiah 3:6-20), the temple (Ezekiel 40-44; Zechariah 6:12-13), the priesthood, etc.
have their completion in Christ, and in his body, the Church (2 Corinthians 1:20; Matthew 12:28; Luke 17:21-22; Hebrews 12:22; 1 Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 2:9-10),
either in time on earth, in eternity in the new creation, or both; for
the Church is that new creation both of time (2 Corinthians 4:16, 2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 6:15) and eternity (Revelation 21:1, Revelation 21:4-8),
which is the restoring of the original creation (Genesis 1:27 w/ Colossians 3:10; Ephesians 4:24; Titus 3:5; Genesis 1:28 w/ Matthew 19:28; 1 Corinthians 6:2-3; Genesis 2:24 w/ Matthew 19:8-9; Romans 8:19-23 w/ 2 Peter 3:12-13).

It is in the light of the NT that we see the marvelous unity, not division, of the divine plan (Ephesians 4:4-6), as well as of the Bible.

This is nothing but multiplied wresting of the words of God.

Clare73 · Nov 25, 2021

Biblewriter said:
That is factually incorrect.

Biblewriter said:
This is nothing but multiplied wresting of the words of God.

That is factually incorrect.
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FredVB · Jun 12, 2023

Ligurian said:
Jeremias 38:33 For this is My covenant which I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, saith the Lord, I will surely put My laws into their mind, and write them on their hearts; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people.LXX

Psalms 89:30-35 If his children should forsake My law, and walk not in My judgments; if they should profane My ordinances, and not keep My Commandments; I will visit their transgressions with a rod, and their sins with scourges. But My mercy I will not utterly remove from him, nor wrong My truth. Neither will I by any means profane My Covenant; and I will not make void the things that proceed out of My lips, once have I sworn by My holiness, that I will not lie to David.LXX

Revelation 22:14-16 Blessed [are] they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star.KJV

Jeremias 28:27-32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Juda with the seed of man, and the seed of beast. And it shall come to pass, that as I watched over them, to pull down, and to afflict, so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord. In those days they shall certainly not say, The fathers ate a sour grape, and the children's teeth were set on edge. But every one shall die in his own sin; and the teeth of him that eats the sour grape shall be set on edge. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda...LXX

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be.KJV

These scriptures are authoritative, the commandments from Yahweh are important to observe and live by. If we seek God's will that is what we will do. And all those of Israel should do so. The time is coming that all those yet remaining of Israel will be restored to God with Christ, and all then will be saved.

Civilization is still in great trouble and with all the materialism, exploitation, destructiveness in the world and wickedness in rebelliousness to God, Mystery Babylon will collapse and fall, and all merchants everywhere will mourn.

Dan Perez · Jun 12, 2023

BABerean2 said:
God EXPLICITLY said in Hebrews 8:6-13 that the promise of the New Covenant found in Jeremiah 31:31-34 has "now" been fulfilled by Christ.

See also Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24.

God EXPLICITYLY said in Galatians 3:16-29 that the promise made to Abraham was made to the one seed, instead to the many seeds, and that I am Abraham's seed and inheritor of the promise through faith in Christ.

God EXPLICITLY said in Titus 3:9 that we are to now ignore genealogies in our faith. Why? Because the most important genealogy in the Bible is found in Matthew 1:1, as confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.
There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the Church found in the New Testament.

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Hi and I have yet NOT seen where the NEW COVENANT has NOW been fulfilled , since the new covenant WA S given to Israel and Judah in HEB 8:8 and no MENTION how the BODY OF CHRIST interweaves with the BODY OF CHRIST , unless you do have a verse that EXPLAINS how that happens , so PLEASE GIVE A VERSE how that happened , PLEASE ?

dan p

Guojing · Jun 12, 2023

Dan Perez said:
Hi and I have yet NOT seen where the NEW COVENANT has NOW been fulfilled , since the new covenant WA S given to Israel and Judah in HEB 8:8 and no MENTION how the BODY OF CHRIST interweaves with the BODY OF CHRIST , unless you do have a verse that EXPLAINS how that happens , so PLEASE GIVE A VERSE how that happened , PLEASE ?

dan p

The fact that we still have churches and pastors in those churches teaching Christians how to "know" the Lord, tells you that the New Covenant could not have already begun

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Clare73 · Jun 13, 2023

Dan Perez said:
Hi and I have yet NOT seen where the NEW COVENANT has NOW been fulfilled , since the new covenant WA S given to Israel and Judah in HEB 8:8 and no MENTION how the BODY OF CHRIST interweaves with the BODY OF CHRIST , unless you do have a verse that EXPLAINS how that happens , so PLEASE GIVE A VERSE how that happened , PLEASE ?

So the church is not under a covenant and just out there winging it on its own?

Dan Perez · Jun 13, 2023

Clare73 said:
So the church is not under a covenant and just out there winging it on its own?

ALL should know , that Israel has been set aside for over 2000 years and the message has been replaced by the MYSTERY of Rom 16:25 and verse 26 having been known to all Gentiles for OBEDIENCE OF FAITH and it means OBEDIENCE OF FAITH and 1 Tim 1:4 nor to give attention to FABLES and ENDLESS GENEALOGIES which cause questions , RATHER THANS GOD'S DISPENSATION THE ONE BY FAITH .

This is what Paul taught and it was not the NEW COVENANT .

If any one believes that the NEW COVENANT IS in operation and is for today , I have yet to see it in OPERATION >

dan p

Clare73 · Jun 13, 2023

Dan Perez said:
ALL should know , that Israel has been set aside for over 2000 years and the message has been replaced by the MYSTERY of Rom 16:25 and verse 26 having been known to all Gentiles for OBEDIENCE OF FAITH and it means OBEDIENCE OF FAITH and 1 Tim 1:4 nor to give attention to FABLES and ENDLESS GENEALOGIES which cause questions , RATHER THANS GOD'S DISPENSATION THE ONE BY FAITH .

This is what Paul taught and it was not the NEW COVENANT .

If any one believes that the NEW COVENANT IS in operation and is for today , I have yet to see it in OPERATION >

What is not operating?

We have new hearts. His Holy Spirit indwells us, giving us to know God in his word, to want to obey him, to submit to him, to bring others to him.
We are in Christ,
his bride and his body in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Eph 5:30-33),
seated with Christ in the heavenlies,
adopted sons of God,
brothers of Christ, etc.

BABerean2 · Jun 15, 2023

Dan Perez said:
Hi and I have yet NOT seen where the NEW COVENANT has NOW been fulfilled , since the new covenant WA S given to Israel and Judah in HEB 8:8 and no MENTION how the BODY OF CHRIST interweaves with the BODY OF CHRIST , unless you do have a verse that EXPLAINS how that happens , so PLEASE GIVE A VERSE how that happened , PLEASE ?

dan p

In the verse below Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost. There were no Gentiles in the Church when it first started.

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews below.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Paul said he was an "Israelite" after his conversion below, and speaks of the "remnant" of faithful Israelites in verse 5.

Rom 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 "LORD, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS AND TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY SEEK MY LIFE"?
Rom 11:4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I HAVE RESERVED FOR MYSELF SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."
Rom 11:5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul was talking to the church at Rome in the passage below.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith".

Jas 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.

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What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word.

Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.

What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.

New Covenant Whole Gospel:

Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.

He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.

Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Watch the YouTube videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

The New Covenant: Bob George

anetazo · Jun 16, 2023

Thier are conditions. Read leviticus chapter 26 and Duertonmomy chapter 28. Blessings and curses. Obedience and disobedience. Today. Majority are biblically illiterate. Involved in churches who teach tradition of men and false doctrine. Its religious idolatry. Heathen children. Parents failed in their capacity to raise their children, hosea chapter 5. Idol worship is anything that comes between you and God. My car is more important. My bank account is more important. My friends are more important. Get the picture. Can you see difference between king saul and David. Saul was self centered and David was man after God's heart. Bottom line. Isaiah chapter 5. God expects Israel to produce fruit. Those who refuse their calling don't have God's blessing and protection. God expects servants to produce Fruit. Thier are conditions. James chapter 2, faith and works go together. Some people have dead works!. Isaiah chapter 5 is the answer. The majority are unprofitable. They have dead works. This isn't complicated.

Ed Parenteau · Jun 16, 2023

Guojing said:
The fact that we still have churches and pastors in those churches teaching Christians how to "know" the Lord, tells you that the New Covenant could not have already begun

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

The first covenant was made with a sacrifice, the second covenant was also made with a sacrifice.
Exodus 24:8
So Moses took the blood, sprinkled it on the people, and said, "This is the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words."(the law)
Matthew 26:28
This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 13:
20Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21equip you with every good thing to do His will. And may He accomplish in us what is pleasing in His sight through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
2 Corinthians 3:6
And He has qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

It is in the next verse where we find out just who the "every man" is referring to. Hebrews 8:12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
Therefore, all who are born again know God from the least to the greatest.

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