US birthrate continues to decline

eleos1954 said:

Depends on how one defines and measures violent behavior, much violent behavior goes unreported .... that is .... many crimes not being reported.

Unreported crime causes measurement errors that skew the perception of the true crime rate.

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If it is not being reported how do you know about it?

eleos1954 said:

Depends on how one defines and measures violent behavior, much violent behavior goes unreported .... that is .... many crimes not being reported.

Unreported crime causes measurement errors that skew the perception of the true crime rate.

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Imagine all the crimes you like: it does alter the facts.

Belk said:

If it is not being reported how do you know about it?

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There are surveys done of people who have been victimized and did not report it .... like I said to what degree is really unknown ... but we do know it happens ... how that skews the violent behavior is unknown.

What the data says (and doesn’t say) about crime in the United States

Larnievc said:

Imagine all the crimes you like: it does alter the facts.

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What the data says (and doesn’t say) about crime in the United States

eleos1954 said:

What the data says (and doesn’t say) about crime in the United States

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This from YOUR link. smh

eleos1954 said:

There are surveys done of people who have been victimized and did not report it .... like I said to what degree is really unknown ... but we do know it happens ... how that skews the violent behavior is unknown.

What the data says (and doesn’t say) about crime in the United States

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If the degree is unknown then we can not claim it has increased.

And in China...

After China's "one child" policy (1970s -2016), the government is now trying to convince families to have more children....

"Data showed a fertility rate of 1.3 children per woman for 2020 alone, on par with ageing societies like Japan and Italy. The shrill alarm for China's policymakers is that the world's second-biggest economy may already be in irreversible population decline without having first accumulated the household wealth of G7 nations.

The number meant China narrowly missed a target it set in 2016 to boost its population to about 1.42 billion by 2020, with a fertility rate of around 1.8. In 2016, China replaced its one-child policy - initially imposed to halt a population explosion at the time - with a two-child limit [this year it was bumped up to 3 children]."

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Why don’t Chinese women want more babies? It’s not just about money - Inkstone



"An only child, she had loving parents and a happy childhood. But she never had a burning desire to have children. About 10 years ago, some of her friends got married and started to have children. Few found the experience rewarding. “It just takes too much time and energy,” they advised her. “Don’t bother having children.” She took it to heart.
“We modern women have many hats,” Zhang says. “We have our careers, our friends, our hobbies and interests. Personally I don’t need to have children to feel fulfilled.”

Larnievc said:

This from YOUR link. smh

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worldview my friend .... look at the worldview

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Belk said:

If the degree is unknown then we can not claim it has increased.

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well then nor we can neither claim it has decreased .... it is an unknown.

we are talking violent behavior .... not necessarily crime
the way in which one acts or conducts oneself, especially toward others.

are we treating one another in a better manner or in a worse manner?

The term I used was violent behavior, violent behavior does not necessitate a crime

And over my lifetime I see violent behavior has increased.

eleos1954 said:

...And over my lifetime I see violent behavior has increased.

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Where are you looking?

eleos1954 said:

well then nor we can neither claim it has decreased .... it is an unknown.

we are talking violent behavior .... not necessarily crime
the way in which one acts or conducts oneself, especially toward others.

are we treating one another in a better manner or in a worse manner?

The term I used was violent behavior, violent behavior does not necessitate a crime

And over my lifetime I see violent behavior has increased.

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Is it an unknown or has it increased? I'm just wondering if you are taking the standard human perception that things get worse as we age and applying it to this situation instead of data?

I don't plan on having any...I enjoy my freedom, and my GF is a career woman. We both have good jobs, can afford nice stuff, and can take nice trips.

Why mess up a good thing? lol
(that and, I'm no good with cleaning up bodily expulsions)

My position is "self-servingly altruistic" lol. Me not having any cancels out the fact that all of my cousins on one side of the family decided to pop out 3 or 4 by the time they were 25 while not having anything close to the reasonable means to do so. Considering they all collect benefits in one form or another, in a way, my tax dollars help keep their kids fed, so it all evens out.

Larnievc said:

What are you talking about? Violent crimes is much less than it was in the 80s and 90s.

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In the past year, violent crime has indeed increased in certain US cities, despite a general downward trend.

Another thing I notice is more homeless people.

Tanj said:

Growing share of childless adults in U.S. don’t expect to ever have children

Some 44% of non-parents ages 18 to 49 say it is not too or not at all likely that they will have children someday, an increase of 7 percentage points from the 37% who said the same in a 2018 survey. Meanwhile, 74% of adults younger than 50 who are already parents say they are unlikely to have more kids.
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Nearly half of young adults without kids say they'll never have any children. 75% of those with kids say they wont have any more. Should be an interesting world in 20 years

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At least American teenagers are doing their bit to maintain the population.


Prevalence of teenage pregnancy - Wikipedia
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Occams Barber said:

At least American teenagers are doing their bit to maintain the population.

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Prevalence of teenage pregnancy - Wikipedia
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I wonder how much of the U.S. data is driven by people with very little economic advancement to look forward to in the more economically-depressed southern states. A lady friend of mine who moved to Mississippi for a few years after high school (no idea why) told me that the most common question she got from strangers is how many kids she has, as though it is taken for granted that by the time you are 18-20 years old, you are going to be having children because what else is there to do? You get married (or don't) and start having kids, since it's not like there are tons of high paying tech jobs to compete for, since there isn't really high paying anything there for anyone. Meanwhile in the northeast/New England and the west coast, where there are not only those types of forward-looking jobs (i.e., not coal-mining) but also some of the finest advanced educational institutions in the country/world, there's a lot you can do if you don't just want to have kids in order to give your life meaning.

People can only live as good a life as their options allow, and there aren't a lot of great options in a lot of the United States, sadly.

dzheremi said:

I wonder how much of the U.S. data is driven by people with very little economic advancement to look forward to in the more economically-depressed southern states. A lady friend of mine who moved to Mississippi for a few years after high school (no idea why) told me that the most common question she got from strangers is how many kids she has, as though it is taken for granted that by the time you are 18-20 years old, you are going to be having children because what else is there to do? You get married (or don't) and start having kids, since it's not like there are tons of high paying tech jobs to compete for, since there isn't really high paying anything there for anyone. Meanwhile in the northeast/New England and the west coast, where there are not only those types of forward-looking jobs (i.e., not coal-mining) but also some of the finest advanced educational institutions in the country/world, there's a lot you can do if you don't just want to have kids in order to give your life meaning.

People can only live as good a life as their options allow, and there aren't a lot of great options in a lot of the United States, sadly.

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If you look at teen pregnancy by US state the international pattern is repeated. For reasons which aren't clear to me there is a strong correlation between income inequality and teen pregnancy whether comparing US states or wealthy countries.

This is the same graph but this time comparing US states:


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I see. Thank you for the state-by-state graph. I note Mississippi is quite high in both income inequality and pregnancy (as is to be expected; ditto NM, CA, etc.), but holy moly what is going on in Nevada?! It appears to be on the lower end of the income inequality scale, yet look at how many more teenaged births there are than anywhere else. Crazy.

dzheremi said:

I see. Thank you for the state-by-state graph. I note Mississippi is quite high in both income inequality and pregnancy (as is to be expected; ditto NM, CA, etc.), but holy moly what is going on in Nevada?! It appears to be on the lower end of the income inequality scale, yet look at how many more teenaged births there are than anywhere else. Crazy.

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In this extract from Teenage pregnancy in the United States - Wikipedia, abstinence-only sex education is seen as a primary cause of the high teenage pregnancy rate. It may be part of the problem but I'd need to see more data correlating abstinence only sex-education with pregnancy.