USCIS Is Enforcing COVID Vaccination Mandate

BNR32FAN said:

My choice to not get vaccinated doesn’t stop anyone else from getting vaccinated so who’s life am I really jeopardizing?

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To whom does your life belong?

Jesus had a great life in Heaven, but He was willing to please our Father by coming to this earth with things the way they are, here. And He obeyed our Father, by staying here some time so He could be good for us . . . loving us by staying here with humans capable of crucifying Him.

So, I understand I need to stay here because God can have me being good for people. And I need to be like Jesus . . . in a way . . . willing to leave behind my own little heaven, in order to love any and all people.

So, in case God wants me to stay alive and healthy, here, I need to do the right thing about vaccinations. God knows if a vaccination will be good for this, or not . . . no matter what anyone claims or how convinced anyone is. God knows my body better than anyone does.

And I know there are ones who would be injured and killed by a vaccine; so I don't push anyone because it is possible God has them in question because He knows they would be hurt by it.

But there are people who are infected by fear and paranoia and cruel and abusive stuff which has them arguing and looking down on others. That infection is more deeply dangerous and ruining, than COVID or dying is. That is living death. And there are cruel people like this, for and against the vaccine. There are others who do not know the basic scientific and medical ideas and theories; and ones of these can pass on very interesting ideas about what they think they have been told lolololololololololol

I have studied pre-med biology and I have medical experience and a year of laboratory education in medical technology. So, I have a chance of understanding what both sides say. And my opinion is both groups have things to consider, but ones on both sides also can be paranoid and fearful and perhaps mainly political in their motives.

So, I prayed for God to guide me; so I am accountable for if I really am obeying God, or not. I can't blame anyone else for my choice, because I understand that humans can make things look the way they want you to see them > just look at how well over half of American marriages are doing because how well people evaluated whom they married!! So, I have known I needed to make sure with God, and answer to Him about if I really am obeying Him. I, too, am capable of fooling myself; so only God is able to take care of this.

And, in my case, what has worked out is I got the shots, including the booster after reading and hearing different people out. It seems people can still get COVID or the vaccination can reduce symptoms enough so the people are asymptomatic and spreading the creature unknowingly. But it could be more able to spread if the person did not have vaccination preparation. The vaccine overall can reduce how long and how much a person can spread it > one will be asymptomatic, for a while, either way; but I understand the asymptomatic time and spreadability will be less if I am vaccinated. So . . . if God has me doing this . . . it is in order to love others, it is not only about my own self or my own rights in isolation from considering others.

I understand Jesus wants us to share as family, not isolating ourselves with our own interests or only certain ones who are more with us and like us >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

So, I say make sure with God who knows. And enjoy sharing with Him in His peace while you discover how He has you loving people. Mostly, do not let yourself get infected with nasty and negative and paranoid and self-righteous anger!! Then we can see clearly, I would say.

BNR32FAN said:

I just thought this would’ve fallen under the category of basic human rights not exclusively for US citizens. I just want my family to be protected by the same rights that I’m protected by.

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Since when does US citizenship qualifies as a "basic human right"?

Your family isn't being rounded up and forcefully vaccinated, nor are they (from what you've said) being forced to leave the country. They simply can't obtain citizenship without being vaccinated. I see no problem with that.

RocksInMyHead said:

Since when does US citizenship qualifies as a "basic human right"?

Your family isn't being rounded up and forcefully vaccinated, nor are they (from what you've said) being forced to leave the country. They simply can't obtain citizenship without being vaccinated. I see no problem with that.

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Indeed -- citizenship confers certain rights, but, except under the conditions outlined in the 14th Amendment, becoming a citizen is not in itself a right... it is a reward that one achieves after fulfilling certain obligations.

The USCIS added "get vaccinated" to the list of obligations... and that list wasn't all that short in the first place.

BNR32FAN said:

I wasn’t saying that citizenship is a basic human right I was saying that the right to have control over medical treatments and procedures should fall into the category of basic human rights.

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Did USCIS forcibly administer the vaccine? Were their lives threatened if they were not vaccinated? Would they have been separated from you without the vaccine?

From what you've said in the thread, the answer to all of those questions is no, which means that they absolutely had control over the decision. Going back to your initial question:

So it would seem that the US government is only viewing them as a potential danger if they are seeking to attain a social security card and not for simply living in the US which doesn’t make sense to me.

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It's not that they view them as a potential danger only if they're getting a Social Security card. It's that they want as many people as possible to be vaccinated, and obtaining full citizenship is something that the government is permitted to set requirements for. They're trying to convince as many people to get the vaccine as possible within the confines of the law and without violating anyone's rights.

BNR32FAN said:

I just found out the day before yesterday that USCIS is requiring all immigrants 5 years old and up who are applying for adjustment of status to be vaccinated for COVID. So I had to take my wife and two daughters to be vaccinated otherwise we would not be able to complete their adjustment of status that we began in April. I’m a bit confused on how the mandate was overruled by the court and yet immigrants are not being protected under that same ruling. How can USCIS legally make this requirement? This doesn’t seem right to me.

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If your family had entered illegally via our southern border, there would have been no such requirement. Only because you are following the rules are you punished for doing so. Court ruling basically said you have the human right to decide for yourself if the vaccine is the way you wish to protect yourself from covid, the executive branch has not agreed.

98cwitr said:

If your family had entered illegally via our southern border, there would have been no such requirement. Only because you are following the rules are you punished for doing so. Court ruling basically said you have the human right to decide for yourself if the vaccine is the way you wish to protect yourself from covid, the executive branch has not agreed.

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I would suggest reading post #10. Per the OP, the only consequence for not being vaccinated would be that they would not be able to gain full citizenship. They would still be permitted to live in the US indefinitely as permanent residents.

RocksInMyHead said:

I would suggest reading post #10. Per the OP, the only consequence for not being vaccinated would be that they would not be able to gain full citizenship. They would still be permitted to live in the US indefinitely as permanent residents.

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Does being a citizen somehow have an impact on your ability to catch covid?

98cwitr said:

Does being a citizen somehow have an impact on your ability to catch covid?

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No, but, as I pointed out in post #86, citizenship is something that the government is permitted to impose conditions on. Requiring a COVID vaccination is no more infringing on anyone's rights than requiring them to speak and write basic English, pass a US history test, or pledge allegiance to the country.

RocksInMyHead said:

No, but, as I pointed out in post #86, citizenship is something that the government is permitted to impose conditions on. Requiring a COVID vaccination is no more infringing on anyone's rights than requiring them to speak and write basic English, pass a US history test, or pledge allegiance to the country.

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Immigration is too. None of your examples require anyone to inject things into their bodies.

However, you may wish to refer to and quote the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), section 212(a)(1)(A)(ii) to back your claim, albeit it's not in regards to citizenship, but maintaining a visa and/or immigrating into the country. To quote Nancy Pelosi "No one is above the law", and yet we find our own government in violation of the law.

98cwitr said:

Immigration is too. None of your examples require anyone to inject things into their bodies.

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That wasn't an exhaustive list. People wanting to become citizens are also required to have a number of vaccinations, the list of which has recently been expanded to include COVID-19.

Vaccination Requirements | USCIS

RocksInMyHead said:

That wasn't an exhaustive list. People wanting to become citizens are also required to have a number of vaccinations, the list of which has recently been expanded to include COVID-19.

Vaccination Requirements | USCIS

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@BNR32FAN you can file religious exemption

BNR32FAN said:

Where did you find this information because I don’t see this mentioned on the CDC website?

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You may need to refine your research skills. This took me around 30 seconds to find.
VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

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98cwitr said:

Does being a citizen somehow have an impact on your ability to catch covid?

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The previous administration thought so -- and it was treason to disagree.

98cwitr said:

you can file religious exemption

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On what grounds?

BNR32FAN said:

Nope that’s not what was happening in the hospitals that’s another example of situations being inflated by the government and the media. They were implying that everyone in the hospital with COVID was in the hospital because of COVID which was not the case. They would count every single person in the hospital who had COVID even if they were in the hospital for other reasons like auto accidents and heart problems.

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Who is this "they" you're alluding to?