What are a few reasons why Christ died upon the cross? (Have a few answers, but would like input).
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I am not having a problem with the shedding of blood for forgiveness to take place, but who needed blood for forgiveness. You seem to be suggesting: "God needs blood to forgive", so how is that different then saying, "God is blood thirsty" and must have blood to forgive?
Do you feel God is blood thirsty?
What I am talking about is "Man's need to blood" to complete the transaction of forgiveness, humbly accepting God's forgiving him as pure undeserved charity (Love). Forgiveness is not all one sided, so the person forgiving has a part to play Matt.18 explains this.
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Your not teaching me anything new here. I am 100% aware of this verse a long time ago. I have already believed that the Son of Man was already in Heaven by being one with the Father as the Father is one in Him. After all, God is triune. But the distinct person known as the Son in His fulness was on the Earth fulfilling His mission to redeem mankind, etc. For why would Jesus pray to the Father, if He was fully up in Heaven? He did not need to do so, but I believe He communicated that way because the Word was made flesh. Jesus also said He came down from Heaven. So this has to be true, as well.
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So the eternal being in Christ will end up a little more glorified..
Psalm 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Psalm 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
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Just as the Kingdom of Heaven is within us, so Christ was always in that Kingdom of Christ.
It is a heavenly saying, and the same as we are on earth now, we are already up in Heavenly places with Christ and the Kingdom of Heaven ( God is within us now.
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The word "happy" can also be translated "blessed". It is a privilege and honor to be persecuted for the cause if needed, but that does not alter the fact it is painful and hard.
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All the works of the Apostles, because when Christ went to the Father, the Spirit came to them.
The greater works are all of the Apostles being together, all with the Son of God in them, to do the power of the Lord, to all do together, what the Son had done.
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Painful and hard, and to finish it joyfully is to do as shown already..
BY NOT COUNTING OUR LIFE DEAR UNTO OURSELVES
Acts 20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
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During the afflictions you have JOY
1 Thessalonians 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
1 Thessalonians 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
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Answer me this, would you have been happy and joyful seeing Christ hanging on the cross?
You do good to realize the significance of the Spirit, but taking before and after the cross, one huge greater "work" result of Christ's leaving is the availability of the indwelling Holy Spirit for everyone, which Christ could not provide while on earth prior to the cross. Our going out converting people and providing them access to the indwelling Holy Spirit is a much greater work then Christ could do alone on earth.
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Okay. Wrong words to use with God as implication towards another believer, dear sir. Most Christians know God is not blood thirsty because it is defined as being eager to shed blood.
For we know God’s Word says God is long suffering towards us and He is not willing that any should perish.
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9).
In either case, we know God was sometimes pleased with animal sacrifices.
“And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.” (Genesis 8:20-21).
We know the Scriptures say that it pleased the Lord to bruise Him because He was being made as an offering for sin.
“Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.” (Isaiah 53:10).
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.
For if God can forgive sin without the shedding of blood, then there would be no purpose or reason for Christ to go to the cross. Jesus even asked the Father if there was some other way. But alas, there was not another way because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrews 9:22). One either believes that verse plainly or they don’t believe it.
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Joy in all situations never failing..
Proverbs 21:15 It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.
Isaiah 29:19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
John 15: 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
John 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Acts 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Proverbs 21:15 It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.
Isaiah 29:19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
John 15: 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
John 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Acts 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
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Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
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Joyful in all our tribulations, the fruit of the Spirit does never fail ( charity fails not)
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
1 Corinthians 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
2 Corinthians 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
2 Corinthians 8:2
How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
1 Corinthians 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
2 Corinthians 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
2 Corinthians 8:2
How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
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