Hunter Biden's Company helps China secure Cobalt mine (needed for electric car batteries)

Sparagmos said:

I can assure you that the price we and future generations are paying for oil is far more than $4/gallon.

Has it occurred to you that "cheap gas" is no longer a value to many people? The fossil fuel industry is in decline, and the industry itself is transitioning to new models.

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How will you generate electric for your cars without fuel? How will you heat your home?

IWalkAlone said:

How will you generate electric for your cars without fuel? How will you heat your home?

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I don't want to be rude - and feel free to tell me to mind my own business, but may I ask how old you are? It doesn't seem possible that someone could ask a question like that. I'm just trying to work out why you wouldn't know.

IWalkAlone said:

How will you generate electric for your cars without fuel? How will you heat your home?

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If it were up to me, nuclear power all the way.

Bradskii said:

I don't want to be rude - and feel free to tell me to mind my own business, but may I ask how old you are? It doesn't seem possible that someone could ask a question like that. I'm just trying to work out why you wouldn't know.

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Do you think that homes can be heated without fuel? Whats wrong with the question? Why the need to hurl personal insults?

IWalkAlone said:

Do you think that homes can be heated without fuel? Whats wrong with the question? Why the need to hurl personal insults?

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No insult intended. Apologies if it was taken as such. And houses can be heated by solar panels, wind or wave generated electricty, geo thermal energy - any number of renewable sources. South Australia produces 60% of its energy needs by renewables. By 2050 it'll be 500%. I don't understand why this sort of information is unavailable to you.

Bradskii said:

No insult intended. Apologies if it was taken as such. And houses can be heated by solar panels, wind or wave generated electricty, geo thermal energy - any number of renewable sources. South Australia produces 60% of its energy needs by renewables. By 2050 it'll be 500%. I don't understand why this sort of information is unavailable to you.

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Till we do the same we need affordable energy. Maybe you can tell Biden to follow that model. Somehow I don't think he will though.

Bradskii said:

The conversation so far:

D: Biden isn't even negotiating with Canada for cobalt.
B: Yes he is (links to evidence).
D: Biden should offer a rebate for Canadian EVs as well.

Apart from the fact that the last response has absolutely nothing to do with the cobalt deal, do you know how many EVs Canada made in the last year for which details are available? 9,000. Canada jumps into electric vehicle industry. The US made nearly half a million.

You really must do some background checking before you post.

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It conflicts as cobalt is used in the manufacturing process of EVs. You may not see it but the dots do connect.

IWalkAlone said:

Till we do the same we need affordable energy.

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Solar and (onshore) wind power are now substantially cheaper in the US than coal and oil - both in terms of installation per MW (ie. cost to produce) and price per kWh (ie cost to consumer). Natural gas CCGT in the US can be cheaper or more expensive, depending on natural gas prices - it's about line ball when gas prices are cheap.

Here's the thing though. Solar and wind power prices on a per MW installed and per KWh basis are forecast to drop by around 50% over the next 20 years.

Source: Techno-economic inputs – World Energy Model – Analysis - IEA

IWalkAlone said:

Maybe you can tell Biden to follow that model. Somehow I don't think he will though.

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Ummmm:

DOE Releases Solar Futures Study Providing the Blueprint for a Zero-Carbon Grid
FACT SHEET: Biden Administration Jumpstarts Offshore Wind Energy Projects to Create Jobs | The White House

I'm in a field where I need to keep an eye on energy policy, but c'mon. This stuff is easy to find and has been well reported on in the last few months.

Gene2memE said:

Solar and (onshore) wind power are now substantially cheaper in the US than coal and oil - both in terms of installation per MW (ie. cost to produce) and price per kWh (ie cost to consumer). Natural gas CCGT in the US can be cheaper or more expensive, depending on natural gas prices - it's about line ball when gas prices are cheap.

Here's the thing though. Solar and wind power prices on a per MW installed and per KWh basis are forecast to drop by around 50% over the next 20 years.

Source: Techno-economic inputs – World Energy Model – Analysis - IEA



Ummmm:

DOE Releases Solar Futures Study Providing the Blueprint for a Zero-Carbon Grid
FACT SHEET: Biden Administration Jumpstarts Offshore Wind Energy Projects to Create Jobs | The White House

I'm in a field where I need to keep an eye on energy policy, but c'mon. This stuff is easy to find and has been well reported on in the last few months.

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In America we heat our homes with fuel. I don't see that changing soon.

IWalkAlone said:

How will you generate electric for your cars without fuel? How will you heat your home?

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Burning fossil fuels to generate electricity is not that popular anymore but coal power stations still exists across the US and they are major polluters so it's a valid concern. If you live by a coal power station and buy a telsa then essentially coal is fueling the car which seems counter-productive. But as the industry transitions to more electric it will put more pressure on this fossil fuel power stations to be replaced with clean energy options.

Although renewable energy sources seem more attactive like wind, sun, etc they are more costly and not as practical. Nuclear is a clean energy source with zero emissions that is probably a better replacement for fossil fuels as well as good for the economy but some sort of hybrid system of clean energy options should be the focus.

DamianWarS said:

It conflicts as cobalt is used in the manufacturing process of EVs. You may not see it but the dots do connect.

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So have you got the figures for ev car exports from Canada into the US? How many of those 9,000 cars were snapped up by Americans?

C'mon, Damien. Tax credits on US Evs will have a slight impact on European imported cars and cars that are built in the US using non union labour. On Canadian cars? Well, it's your argument. Don't give me dots that I have to join. Give me some figures.

IWalkAlone said:

In America we heat our homes with fuel. I don't see that changing soon.

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Which is insane.

A modern (less than 15 years old) reverse cycle air conditioning system is both more efficient and cheaper per kWh than a gas or heating oil based system.

Using data from Australia, a low to mid-range (in terms of efficiency) air conditioning system is, at worst, a third less expensive to run. Depending on the circumstances, a gas or oil based system in Australia can be four or five times more expensive per kWh than AC.

In the US, depending on where you live, switching to electricity based AC for heating/cooling would be somewhere between 10% and 55% cheaper in terms of annual heating costs (not to mention the benefit of summer time cooling).

America's oil dependency is literally making its population poorer, and pouring money into the hands of some of the worst polluting companies on earth.

DamianWarS said:

If you live by a coal power station and buy a telsa then essentially coal is fueling the car which seems counter-productive.

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Seems is the right word here.

Electric powered cars, even from coal based electricity, still have substantially lower lifecycle emissions (IIRC, about 25-33%) than petrol powered cars.

DamianWarS said:

Although renewable energy sources seem more attactive like wind, sun, etc they are more costly and not as practical.

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Nope, and maybe.

Solar PV and onshore wind are already cheaper (both to install & produce and in terms of price to consumer) than oil or coal. Solar is cheaper than natural gas, and onshore wind is about line ball with it - but forecast to drop by 50% over the next 20 years.

DamianWarS said:

Nuclear is a clean energy source with zero emissions that is probably a better replacement for fossil fuels as well as good for the economy but some sort of hybrid system of clean energy options should be the focus.

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Nuclear power is also vastly more expensive than current renewables (and has its own practicality issues). Based on IAE data, nuclear generating power is between 2 to 6 times more pricey per MW to install, with a generating price per MWh of between USD65 and USD150. In comparison, solar has a generating price per MWh of between USD35 and USD55, and onshore wind is between USD35 and USD90.

Bradskii said:

So have you got the figures for ev car exports from Canada into the US? How many of those 9,000 cars were snapped up by Americans?

C'mon, Damien. Tax credits on US Evs will have a slight impact on European imported cars and cars that are built in the US using non union labour. On Canadian cars? Well, it's your argument. Don't give me dots that I have to join. Give me some figures.

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It's an emerging sector that Canada is well placed for but the messaging is enough for the conflict not the figures. the largest market in the automotive industry in Canada is in the US and such high tax rebates that are not extended to Canadian manufactured EVs are going to have a negative impact on the industry. Certainly the cobalt can have added tariffs but there's a simpler solution.

Pommer said:

That was easy!

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I live to serve.

DamianWarS said:

It's an emerging sector that Canada is well placed for but the messaging is enough for the conflict not the figures. the largest market in the automotive industry in Canada is in the US and such high tax rebates that are not extended to Canadian manufactured EVs are going to have a negative impact on the industry. Certainly the cobalt can have added tariffs but there's a simpler solution.

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So...no figures.

LeGato said:

Our current administration is a circus sideshow.

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A cornucopia of circus clowns! So is my government! Making a mess internally and incompetent internationally.