Bill Maher Warns Democrats Are Headed for 2022 Defeat Because ‘Nobody Likes a Snob’

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Bill Maher Warns Democrats Nobody Likes a Snob (Video)

Bill Maher had a few – quite a few, in fact – choice words for Democrats on Friday night about the direction the party is heading ahead of the 2022 mid-term elections. His words of warning: "Nobody likes a snob."

Fearing that the Democrats would lose badly in next year's congressional contests, the "Real Time" host laid it on thick, urging the party to stop "licking their wounds" over recent election losses and "to do something about it" now.


The linked video in the article is pretty good (and humorous), worth a watch.

...but I think he's spot-on as to why the party is losing (in the places they should be winning), and makes the distinction between traditional (actual) liberals, and this current iteration that's carrying the democratic banner in many locales.
 

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People vote based on the stupidest reasons.

That may be true...but his point was "don't give them any other stupid reasons not to vote for you".

His example of If a staffer is working on your campaign, and hands you a speech that says "birthing person" instead of "woman"...just say "woman".

Saying "woman" instead of "birthing person" isn't going to make any millennial democrats vote for republicans...but doing the inverse sure could make some southern and midwestern moderates vote for republicans.

Obviously a staunch deep south conservative is never going to back a candidate that supports gay marriage and abortion...but they don't decide elections, much like super far left people living in Cali or NY don't decide elections, their states were going to land on the blue side no matter what. Moderates in swing states decide elections. I've harped on it before, but to win, you have to cater to the audience you want to get, not the audience you already have. Centering your message around something that plays well with the crowd that was already going to vote for you anyway, while alienating moderates, is a fool's errand.


Another pointed remark he made: "Don't put a woke kid fresh out of college in charge of your campaign, they've been given participation trophies their whole life, they don't know how to win...James Carville knows how to win"

True on both accounts...

Carville (the guy who strategized for Bill Clinton, as well as several Senators and Governors...as well as candidates in over 20 other nations abroad) knows a thing or two about what plays and what doesn't play.

It may be better for democrats to listen to him, rather than base their strategy on what can get them the most re-tweets.

Vox recently did an interesting interview with him.
"Wokeness is a problem and we all know it"
 
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That may be true...but his point was "don't give them any other stupid reasons not to vote for you".

His example of If a staffer is working on your campaign, and hands you a speech that says "birthing person" instead of "woman"...just say "woman".

Saying "woman" instead of "birthing person" isn't going to make any millennial democrats vote for republicans...but doing the inverse sure could make some southern and midwestern moderates vote for republicans.

Another pointed remark he made: "Don't put a woke kid fresh out of college in charge of your campaign, they've been given participation trophies their whole life, they don't know how to win...James Carville knows how to win"

True on both accounts...

Carville (the guy who strategized for Bill Clinton, as well as several Senators and Governors...as well as candidates in over 20 other nations abroad) knows a thing or two about what plays and what doesn't play.

It may be better for democrats to listen to him, rather than base their strategy on what can get them the most re-tweets.

Vox recently did an interesting interview with him.
"Wokeness is a problem and we all know it"
Yeah I agree with all that. People vote for the stupidest reasons. But you still have to cater to them.
 
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If any candidate were to call me a "birthing person" (or any such nonsense) then they lose my vote right on the spot. I voted for practically every Democrat in 2020, but I'm heading towards voting against every Democrat in 2022/2024. I am literally INFURIATED with the current administration and its hearty embrace of the wokeness religion. I definitely don't agree with everything in the Republican platform and I still detest Trump, but I detest the new religion of the Democrats even more.
 
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Yeah I agree with all that. People vote for the stupidest reasons. But you still have to cater to them.

If you want to win, it may be worth considering carefully choosing your words as to not deliberately alienate them.

If people use language that comes across as "anyone who thinks there's only two genders and doesn't think we should teach 3rd graders that they're oppressors are a bunch of backwards, hick, swamp-dwellers", then be prepared to lose.

Social changes happen slowly...you only have to go back to the early-mid 90's where even the majority of democrats were opposed to things like gay marriage and legal pot. You're more likely to find a republican in 2021 who supports those things than you would a democrat who did in 1992.

Obviously, those of us living in the here and now know that legalizing marijuana and gay marriage aren't the boogeyman they were once made out to be. But that doesn't change the fact that back in 1992, a Democratic candidate would've been committing political suicide to explicitly advocate for those things and then to imply that anyone who disagreed with them was stupid at that point in time.
 
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If you want to win, it may be worth considering carefully choosing your words as to not deliberately alienate them.

If people use language that comes across as "anyone who thinks there's only two genders and doesn't think we should teach 3rd graders that they're oppressors are a bunch of backwards, hick, swamp-dwellers", then be prepared to lose.

Social changes happen slowly...you only have to go back to the early-mid 90's where even the majority of democrats were opposed to things like gay marriage and legal pot. You're more likely to find a republican in 2021 who supports those things than you would a democrat who did in 1992.

Obviously, those of us living in the here and now know that legalizing marijuana and gay marriage aren't the boogeyman they were once made out to be. But that doesn't change the fact that back in 1992, a Democratic candidate would've been committing political suicide to explicitly advocate for those things and then to imply that anyone who disagreed with them was stupid at that point in time.
Yeah totally agree. Ideologically I'm far left in many (tho not all) respects. Politically I'm center left, as thats how how change gets done, at least in govt.
 
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Yeah totally agree. Ideologically I'm far left in many (tho not all) respects. Politically I'm center left, as thats how how change gets done, at least in govt.

Your position is a more sensible one.

Taking things that should a "5-10 year plan for social change" and making them into a "3 day plan for social change" often has a bit of a backlash effect (as some democratic candidates are finding out)
 
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but I think he's spot-on as to why the party is losing (in the places they should be winning)

Democrats should have kept Virginia, but the candidate for governor was a disaster. It was all, "We're not Trump and you can't tell us how we're going to school your children." That kind of approach is not going to work. The Republic candidate seemed to keep some distance from Trump, as far as I could tell, which disarmed that approach by the Democrat candidate. I think lots of moderates ended up voting Republican, folks who did not vote for Trump.
 
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Democrats should have kept Virginia, but the candidate for governor was a disaster. It was all, "We're not Trump and you can't tell us how we're going to school your children." That kind of approach is not going to work. The Republic candidate seemed to keep some distance from Trump, as far as I could tell, which disarmed that approach by the Democrat candidate. I think lots of moderates ended up voting Republican, folks who did not vote for Trump.

That actually happens in a lot of states...and a lot of states that people wouldn't expect.

Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan, Chris Sununu... all Republican governors in states that went solidly for Obama. (2 of them even have overlapping tenures with him)

Charlie Baker, as a republican, won 2/3 of the state's popular vote in Massachusetts during the same time when Hillary was beating Trump by a similar margin in that state.

There are a significant number of people who vehemently disliked "Trumpism", but weren't buying what the democrats were selling either, and if given the choice between a reasonable Moderate republican and someone further to the left, chose the former.

I'm in that camp as an Ohioan...voted for Biden in the last presidential election, but I'm okay with Mike DeWine as my governor.
 
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That actually happens in a lot of states...and a lot of states that people wouldn't expect.

Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan, Chris Sununu... all Republican governors in states that went solidly for Obama. (2 of them even have overlapping tenures with him)

Charlie Baker, as a republican, won 2/3 of the state's popular vote in Massachusetts during the same time when Hillary was beating Trump by a similar margin in that state.

There are a significant number of people who vehemently disliked "Trumpism", but weren't buying what the democrats were selling either, and if given the choice between a reasonable Moderate republican and someone further to the left, chose the former.

I'm in that camp as an Ohioan...voted for Biden in the last presidential election, but I'm okay with Mike DeWine as my governor.

Agreed. I went back and looked at the results for the Virginia gubernatorial race. My county, which always votes blue and did so again, was fairly close. Virginia Beach and Chesapeake flipped from Democrat to Republican. In my mind, that's significant. Democrats have got to let the extreme progressives go if they want to win, imo. If they don't have a Trump-like candidate to play off, folks are not buying it. I think the school situation really freaked people out. Whether the right has framed CRT accurately or not, you can't tell people they have no say in how their children are educated in public schools. It was a stupid political move to not try harder to counter-act the hype. They just leaned in and lost as a result.
 
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Democrats should have kept Virginia, but the candidate for governor was a disaster. It was all, "We're not Trump and you can't tell us how we're going to school your children." That kind of approach is not going to work. The Republic candidate seemed to keep some distance from Trump, as far as I could tell, which disarmed that approach by the Democrat candidate. I think lots of moderates ended up voting Republican, folks who did not vote for Trump.

Anyone with half a brain would be able to foresee that setting oneself up as the "anti-parent" party is a losing strategy. People don't want their children messed with.
 
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Anyone with half a brain would be able to foresee that setting oneself up as the "anti-parent" party is a losing strategy. People don't want their children messed with.

The democratic messaging with regards to that was poor (at best) in Virginia.

At a time when people were already on-edge about that, the way they mishandled the Loudoun County case was the nail in the coffin.

I'm not saying that "parents are always right", and I think the notion that "parents are the ones who always know what's best for their kids" is a bold assertion and likely impossible, ...there are cases where it's quite the opposite, I know some people who are parents who are morons and make terrible parenting decisions, but one has to at least "pretend" to care what parents think in the area, even if they're not sincere.

As the Seinfeld episode quote goes "If you work in a restaurant, and you're not going to wash your hands, at least pretend to... for my sake, run the water...something"

When that Loudoun County case happened, and leaders seemed to worry more about "not saying anything that may offend the trans community" rather than for the father who's daughter just got raped in a bathroom...that sent a message to a lot of parents in that state, and it's not a message that was favorable to the (D) party candidate.

If you look at a lot of the areas where Democrats lose (where, on-paper, they should've won), it's places where it's perceived that "PC has trumped common sense"
 
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The democratic messaging with regards to that was poor (at best) in Virginia.

At a time when people were already on-edge about that, the way they mishandled the Loudoun County case was the nail in the coffin.

I'm not saying that "parents are always right", and I think the notion that "parents are the ones who always know what's best for their kids" is a bold assertion and likely impossible, ...there are cases where it's quite the opposite, I know some people who are parents who are morons and make terrible parenting decisions, but one has to at least "pretend" to care what parents think in the area, even if they're not sincere.

As the Seinfeld episode quote goes "If you work in a restaurant, and you're not going to wash your hands, at least pretend to... for my sake, run the water...something"

When that Loudoun County case happened, and leaders seemed to worry more about "not saying anything that may offend the trans community" rather than for the father who's daughter just got raped in a bathroom...that sent a message to a lot of parents in that state, and it's not a message that was favorable to the (D) party candidate.

If you look at a lot of the areas where Democrats lose (where, on-paper, they should've won), it's places where it's perceived that "PC has trumped common sense"

I agree that some parents can be morons and aren't always doing what's best for the child, but in general, you want to have parents be a part of the team. In a school, parents, teachers, administrators, and students all need to be working towards the same goal, but at the same time, if you willfully attempt to get between parents and their children, the claws are going to come out.
 
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Bill Maher Warns Democrats Nobody Likes a Snob (Video)

Bill Maher had a few – quite a few, in fact – choice words for Democrats on Friday night about the direction the party is heading ahead of the 2022 mid-term elections. His words of warning: "Nobody likes a snob."

Fearing that the Democrats would lose badly in next year's congressional contests, the "Real Time" host laid it on thick, urging the party to stop "licking their wounds" over recent election losses and "to do something about it" now.


The linked video in the article is pretty good (and humorous), worth a watch.

...but I think he's spot-on as to why the party is losing (in the places they should be winning), and makes the distinction between traditional (actual) liberals, and this current iteration that's carrying the democratic banner in many locales.

Wait isn't he himself a snob. I have watched some of his clips. I can be very certain that I get the "you plebs" vibes from him.
 
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Your position is a more sensible one.

Taking things that should a "5-10 year plan for social change" and making them into a "3 day plan for social change" often has a bit of a backlash effect (as some democratic candidates are finding out)

You’re not wrong, but there’s still a sizable contingent who’ll never be converted, who act in bad faith, and who’ll engage in backlash anyways. Electing a black man as president, for example, was hardly a whirlwind process, yet there was enough racial backlash against him for his successor to succeed by dishonestly painting him as a foreign-born interlocutor.

Wait isn't he himself a snob. I have watched some of his clips. I can be very certain that I get the "you plebs" vibes from him.

It’s not so much snobbery as arrogance. But yes.
 
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Bill Maher Warns Democrats Nobody Likes a Snob (Video)

Bill Maher had a few – quite a few, in fact – choice words for Democrats on Friday night about the direction the party is heading ahead of the 2022 mid-term elections. His words of warning: "Nobody likes a snob."

Fearing that the Democrats would lose badly in next year's congressional contests, the "Real Time" host laid it on thick, urging the party to stop "licking their wounds" over recent election losses and "to do something about it" now.


The linked video in the article is pretty good (and humorous), worth a watch.

...but I think he's spot-on as to why the party is losing (in the places they should be winning), and makes the distinction between traditional (actual) liberals, and this current iteration that's carrying the democratic banner in many locales.
Maher is one of the few pundits that sees beyond the usual “noise”.
 
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When you're dealing with people as uninformed and confused as the average American, you do have to keep your messaging simple and to the point.
 
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Anyone with half a brain would be able to foresee that setting oneself up as the "anti-parent" party is a losing strategy. People don't want their children messed with.
Yes and luckily Republicans have branded that as a potential reality.

It's exactly as real as "Democrats want to take your guns".
 
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Yes and luckily Republicans have branded that as a potential reality.

It's exactly as real as "Democrats want to take your guns".

"Americans who own AR-15s and AK-47s will have to sell them to the government. We’re not going to allow them to stay on our streets, to show up in our communities, to be used against us."

"I was asked how I'd address people's fears that we will take away their assault rifles. I want to be clear: That's exactly what we're going to do. Americans who own AR-15s and AK-47s will have to sell their assault weapons. All of them." - Beto O'Roarke
 
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