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Gods' 10 commandments are not called the "law of works" they are called holy, just and good by Paul in Romans 7:12 because they give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken in Romans 7:7. As posted earlier, the scriptures teach us that sin is the transgression of God's law *1 John 3:4 and that it is through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin is in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7. James says if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. As asked earlier, if Romans 3:31 that we discussed earlier says that faith does not abolish God's law and in fact it establishes Gods' law in the lives of those who believe and follow what God's Word says, then do we have faith by not doing what God's Word says?
10 commandments called the Law of works...Romans 3:20..therefore no one will be declared righteous by the "works of the Law" rather, through the "Law" we become "conscious of our Sin"...

Notice: works of law, or Law made us conscious of our Sin... (gives us the knowledge of Sin)..
 
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10 commandments called the Law of works...Romans 3:20..therefore no one will be declared righteous by the "works of the Law" rather, through the "Law" we become "conscious of our Sin"...Notice: works of law, or Law made us conscious of our Sin... (gives us the knowledge of Sin)..
Not really dear friend but allow me to explain why from the scriptures if it might be helpful. Paul is talking about those who seek their salvation from the works of the law when all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break the law. Romans 3:20, Therefore BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Did you catch that? Paul is arguing that no one can be "justified" by the law because all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is and in context to what Paul has previously argued in Romans 3:9-20 all of us have already sinned and broken the law which is why Paul both Jews and Gentiles are all sinners; " [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN; [10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE. So Paul is not saying that the law is a "law of works" as you claim. Paul is saying we cannot be justified by the law if we have all sinned and broken the law which is the context shown in Romans 3:9-20. This is why Paul shows we are justified by faith not the works of the law in Romans 3:21-30 and Paul clarifies what genuine faith is agreeing with James when he says; "DO WE THEN ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES WE ESTABLISH THE LAW." - Romans 3:31

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Not really dear friend but allow me to explain why from the scriptures if it might be helpful. Paul is talking about those who seek their salvation from the works of the law when all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break the law. Romans 3:20, Therefore BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Did you catch that? Paul is arguing that no one can be "justified" by the law because all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is and in context to what Paul has previously argued in Romans 3:9-20 all of us have already sinned and broken the law which is why Paul both Jews and Gentiles are all sinners; " [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN; [10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE. So Paul is not saying that the law is a "law of works" as you claim. Paul is saying we cannot be justified by the law if we have all sinned and broken the law.

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Explain the works of the Law...and what Law that requires works?.. Romans 3:27
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Not really dear friend but allow me to explain why from the scriptures if it might be helpful. Paul is talking about those who seek their salvation from the works of the law when all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break the law. Romans 3:20, Therefore BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Did you catch that? Paul is arguing that no one can be "justified" by the law because all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is and in context to what Paul has previously argued in Romans 3:9-20 all of us have already sinned and broken the law which is why Paul both Jews and Gentiles are all sinners; " [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN; [10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE. So Paul is not saying that the law is a "law of works" as you claim. Paul is saying we cannot be justified by the law if we have all sinned and broken the law.
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Explain the works of the Law...
I just did in the post you are quoting from above and provided the scripture contexts as proof. Take your time and re-read it my post above. If you do not understand what is written above your welcome to ask questions.

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Your response here...

I just did in the post you are quoting from above and provided the scripture contexts as proof. Take your time and re-read it my post above. If you do not understand what is written above your welcome to ask questions.

Take Care.
What law Paul is referring to which called the works of the Law? Romans 3
You didn't answer it in your post #849...

If you can't answer it just say so...
 
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What law Paul is referring to which called the works of the Law? Romans 3 You didn't answer it in your post #849... If you can't answer it just say so...

Well that not true as I did indeed answer your post. As posted earlier, Paul is talking about those who seek their salvation from the works of the law when all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break the law. Romans 3:20, Therefore BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Did you catch that? Paul is arguing that no one can be "justified" by the works of the law because all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is which is in context to what Paul has previously argued in Romans 3:9-20 all of us have already sinned and broken the law which is why Paul says earlier that both Jews and Gentiles are all sinners; " [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN; [10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE. As posted earlier please note, Paul is not saying that the law is a "law of works" as you claim. Paul is saying we cannot be justified by the works of the law if we have all sinned and broken the law. Paul calls God's law Holy, just and good *Romans 7:12. Do you agree with what is written here from the scriptures?
 
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As posted earlier, Paul is talking about those who seek their salvation from the works of the law when all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break the law. Romans 3:20, Therefore BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Did you catch that? Paul is arguing that no one can be "justified" by the works of the law because all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is which is in context to what Paul has previously argued in Romans 3:9-20 all of us have already sinned and broken the law which is why Paul says earlier that both Jews and Gentiles are all sinners; " [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN; [10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE. As posted earlier please note, Paul is not saying that the law is a "law of works" as you claim. Paul is saying we cannot be justified by the works of the law if we have all sinned and broken the law. Paul calls God's law Holy, just and good *Romans 7:12. Do you agree with what is written here from the scriptures?
Okay, it confirmed what I said earlier Paul in Romans 3 refer the "works of the Law" to the Law that gives us the knowledge of Sin...which is the 10commandments
Thanks..
 
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LoveGodsWord said: As posted earlier, Paul is talking about those who seek their salvation from the works of the law when all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break the law. Romans 3:20, Therefore BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Did you catch that? Paul is arguing that no one can be "justified" by the works of the law because all the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is which is in context to what Paul has previously argued in Romans 3:9-20 all of us have already sinned and broken the law which is why Paul says earlier that both Jews and Gentiles are all sinners; " [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN; [10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE. As posted earlier please note, Paul is not saying that the law is a "law of works" as you claim. Paul is saying we cannot be justified by the works of the law if we have all sinned and broken the law. Paul calls God's law Holy, just and good *Romans 7:12. Do you agree with what is written here from the scriptures?
Your response here...
Okay, it confirmed what I said earlier Paul in Romans 3 refer the "works of the Law" to the Law that gives us the knowledge of Sin...which is the 10commandments
Thanks..
Actually no it did not confirm in the slightest what you said earlier in fact the post and scriptures provided as shown above show what you said earlier was not true. It says no one is justified by the works of the law. It does not say that Gods '10 commandments are a law of works. The scriptures are saying that no one is justified before God by trying to obey God's law because all of us have sinned and broken God's law.

Take Care
 
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Actually it said no such thing. It says no one is justified by the works of the law. This means no one is justified before God by trying to obey God's law because all of us have sinned and broken God's law.
There is a law that base on "works" and a law that base on "Faith"...Romans 3:27
 
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There is a law that base on "works" and a law that base on "Faith"...Romans 3:27
Not really but let me explain why if it might be helpful. The context of Romans 3:27 is Romans 3:9-19 where Paul shows us that we are all sinners and we have all sinned and fall short of God's glory and stand convicted of sin "under the law" standing guilty before God of sin. Romans 3:20 shows us that the purpose of Gods' law is simply to give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken, while Romans 3:21-27 shows us that if we have already sinned and all of us stand before God as sinners so we cannot get our righteousness from keeping the law (works of the law or deeds of the law) and that our righteousness and atonement for our sins only comes by faith in Christ as a free gift through God's love, mercy and grace because Jesus died in our behalf so that we can be brought back to God and receive Gods forgiveness. So Paul says we are justified or forgiven for our sins by faith in the blood or death of Jesus and this free gift of God's grace is for all people because we have all sinned. What your leaving out here is Romans 3:31 that says Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law. Therefore Romans 3:27 is not calling Gods '10 commandments a law of works it is saying if we seek to be justified by the works of the law or by doing the deeds of the law we cannot because we have all sinned already and atonement needs to be made for our sins in Christ through faith. True faith therefore according to the scriptures show that faith does not abolish Gods' law it establishes it through Christs atonement and death for our sins and Gods' love, mercy and forgiveness to all those who believe Gods' Word.

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